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British and Canadian Troops in the Battle of the Bulge

Summary: The Battle of the Bulge (December 16, 1944–January 16, 1945) was fought primarily between the forces of Nazi Germany and the United States Army. However, approximately 55,000 troops of the British Army, including the 1st Canadian Parachute Battalion, also participated in the struggle.

On December 19, American general Dwight D. Eisenhower, Supreme Commander of Allied Forces in Europe, temporarily placed all units north of a line between the towns of Givet and Prum under the command of British field marshal Bernard Montgomery. The field marshal ordered British XXX Corps, led by Lieutenant General Sir Brian Gwynne Horrocks, from Holland to block the advancing Germans from crossing the Meuse River. On December 24, 3rd Royal Tank Regiment joined American tanks, crossed the Meuse and, with support from the Royal Air Force (RAF) halted the advance of the 2nd Panzer Division.

A general counterattack by all Allied forces began January 3. Battalions from Britain’s 6th Airborne Division (including 1st Canadian Parachute Battalion), the 23rd Hussars, and tanks from the Fife and Forfar Yeomanry Regiment began three days and nights of fighting, taking heavy casualties. Other British counterattacks by additional units began on January 4.

By January 8, the German High Command, realizing their attack had failed and assailed by Allied counterattacks ordered their commanders to retreat toward Germany, but fighting continued against their rearguard. Eight days later, Field Marshal Montgomery ordered XXX Corps back to The Netherlands. British and Canadian casualties were approximately 1,400 killed, wounded and missing.

Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery

Bernard Montgomery had led the 3rd Division capably during the battles in France in May 1940, but his star rose to its zenith in 1942 when he was given command of British Eighth Army in North Africa and dealt "the Desert Fox" Field Marshal Erwin Rommel a defeat in the Second Battle of El Alamein.

Unfortunately, Montgomery tended to be overly cautious and was generally contemptuous toward American troops and especially American commanders. Eisenhower’s plan for the Allied counterattack was to strike with Lieutenant General George S. Patton’s Third Army from the south and Montgomery’s mixed British-American force from the north, cut off the Germans within the salient they had pushed into the American lines, and destroy them. Montgomery kept delaying his attacks, which Eisenhower wanted to begin on December 27. "Monty" insisted Eisenhower should turn complete command of Allied forces over to him, a demand Eisenhower bluntly refused. The supercilious Montgomery dealt Anglo-American relations a further blow when he declared that American troops made great fighting men when given proper leadership.

He later exaggerated the British Army’s contributions to the Battle of the Bulge—only about 55,000 men from that army were involved compared to 600,000 Americans—but their contributions to defending the northern flank should not be forgotten.
 

65 Responses to British and Canadian Troops in the Battle of the Bulge

  1. hellcatdwe says:

    Montgomery emphatically did not exaggerate the contribution of British and Canadian troops to the battle, and 55,000 is a gross understatement – it was actually in excess of 90,000. American commanders, including Eisenhower, Bradley and Patton, believed the war was all but won by December 1944, and underestimated the ability of the Wermacht to strike back. Montgomery, on the other hand, with far greater experience of fighting the Germans, had asked his staff to prepare plans for just such a contingency but, to save American embarrassment at their lack of planning, confusion and delay in reaction to the attack, the British contribution in taking pre-emptive action to cross the Meuse and turn back the German armoured spearhead was suppressed. Like Patton, Monty may have been an egotist, but US General Bruce Clarke, commander of the 7th Armoured, remained grateful to Montgomery for the rest of his life, for saving the 20,000 men in St Vith, when Patton and others had written them off. As Churchill said, ‘There is only thing worse than fighting with allies, and that is fighting without them’.

    • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

      I know you’re probably retarded but the allied lines during and before the battle of the bulge were far beyond the river Meuse. I suppose if you count reserves miles behind the frontlines the british may have had 90,000 men

      • hellcatdwe says:

        Whatever the World is short of, it never seems to be people like you and Chuck Yeager. I’m not going to rise to your anti-British bait – go back to getting your history from Hollywood.

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        Hollywood is telling us that the British are heroic for dooming mainland europe to years of Nazi control with Dunkirk. Maybe you shouldn’t bite the hand that feeds you.

      • J Jimmy Kennedy says:

        Ah yes, the British are cowards for retreating from France whilst the US forces were….oh…they were hiding in isolationism scared. The British got involved in a war that didn’t directly threaten them to save Europe, if it wasn’t for Britain staying on alone against the Nazis in 1940, America would have never gotten involved. Either way, the yanks came in late, grossly overstated their contribution (only 20% of all allied forces) and then claimed to have won the war single handedly, when in reality it was the Russians, the US didn’t even start lend lease until Britain had saved itself after the Battle of Britain. When it comes to cowardice, I don’t think the Americans who waited for several years to come and help can talk. Lol

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        LMFAO you mean like the cowardice that the British showed when they refused to intervene when the Nazis started rearming, Or annexing Austria and Czechslovakia. The US never had an interest in Europe’s war and Unlike Britain and the Soviet Union never actively worked with or appeased Nazi aggression. America joined WW2 as an act of self defense. Luckily for the Britbong the US managed to carry your shithole commonwealth through the next few decades after you managed to get your butthole bored out by the Axis powers. (Also there were only 7 million British servicemen during Britains involvement in ww2 compared to 16 million American servicemen)

      • anyone says:

        Big mouth…
        ‘LMFAO you mean like the cowardice that the British showed when they refused to intervene when the Nazis started rearming, Or annexing Austria and Czechslovakia. The US never had an interest in Europe’s war and Unlike Britain and the Soviet Union never actively worked with or appeased Nazi aggression. America joined WW2 as an act of self defense. Luckily for the Britbong the US managed to carry your shithole commonwealth through the next few decades after you managed to get your butthole bored out by the Axis powers. Also there were only 7 million British servicemen during Britains involvement in ww2 compared to 16 million American servicemen.’

        The USA elbowed its way to the top table at the end the First World War, was happy to take reparations it did not deserve, having bled Britain and France white it arrogantly imposed its economic clout on the rest of the world. When the whole lot came crashing down and the USA dragged the world into depression, Hitler got his chance. He got elected because promised jobs, prosperity and a way out of the US created depression. That put Hitler into power, not his attitude towards the Jews or the Treaty of Versailles. 7 million servicemen represented a far greater proportion of the British populastion than the US fiugure.

        ‘You’d be speaking German and calling your German monarch Fuhrer instead of Queen if it wasn’t for America saving you.’
        When did that happen?

        Also you’re full of shit, Because the US was supporting the Chinese in their fight against Japan a whole year before the Nazis invaded Poland. Funny enough that the British were the only major power of WW2 to recognize the Japanese conquest of China as legitimate… ‘
        Britain, France, Nazii German and Russia also provided support to China. British recognition of Japanese conquests ran alongside a US trade asgreement with Japan so we will take no lectures on that subject

        Got any more?

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        Britain got to the top of Europe by bleeding the European powers white during the French period and then ground up their own people into hamburger because of their failing military having to rely on America to bail them out once they couldn’t rely on the French, Russians or Italians to defeat the Bosche. Either way the British reason for joining the war was callous anxiety from Germany becoming the most powerful nation in Europe in 1871, Wheras the US joined to defend their autonomy against foreign attacks.

        BTW the British financed their war effort on American credit. Hitler rose to power because the British failed to enforce their own treaties in Germany, Allowing the Nazis to take power, undermine democracy, militarize and invade multiple countries. Blaming the market crash of 1929 for the rise of Nazism that started in 1919 is hilariously retarded. The British government funded fascists like Mussolini who influenced the formation of the Nazi party and Germany relying on American credit from the Dawes plan was the result of a failed British postwar economic plan.

        Hitler gained power through repression from his militarized gang of Freikorps and Stormtroopers (which were larger and better armed than the actual army) running the country. Which wouldn’t have happened if the Entente had occupied the country which the British opposed because of how thread bare their state was that they wouldn’t be able to maintain it. Meaning they’d have to rely on big daddy America solving their problem again.

        They did 20 years later.

        The British also gave Chinese territory stolen by the Germans to the Japanese to strengthen their position against the Chinese. And armed the imperialist revolution in Japan that led to their expansionist policy in Asia that killed millions.

        The fact of the matter is that America is superior to Britain on a moral, economic, political and military scale throughout history. Any complaint a British person has with an American is pure hypocrisy on your part. Before Britain was giving out IOUs to the US in that fight between retards known as WW1 over the autonomy of a nation (despite the fact Britain has invaded 9/10ths of the planet) they were selling arms to the Confederate States of America to help them continue the misery of the US Civil War and the practice of chattel slavery.

        And the rest of your post is simply you complaining about America being much larger and more important than Britain. If 7 million men represent more of your nation that’s because your nation is insignificant and incapable. Having to rely on your daddy to clean up your messes, WW1, WW2, Korea and the middle east are all the result of Britain.

      • anyone says:

        Big mouth…
        ‘And the rest of your post is simply you complaining about America being much larger and more important than Britain. If 7 million men represent more of your nation that’s because your nation is insignificant and incapable. Having to rely on your daddy to clean up your messes, WW1, WW2, Korea and the middle east are all the result of Britain.’
        ROTFL
        Err… In The First world War the USA turned up in time for the victory parade, ditto the Second World War . Korea – ROTFL, Middle East – you should look at the USA and its ally Israel.
        Got any more?

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        You really shouldn’t talk about British contributions to ww2 unless you’re discussing their contributions to causing the war. Britain failed to protect Czechoslovakia, Poland, France, Belgium, The Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Greece etc. and then fled behind the English channel for years because Nazi Germany had no ability to carry out a amphibious campaign due to their complete lack of a Navy. While at the same time your fat retarded bastard of a PM was begging the US to save them from Nazi Aggression with the “Europe First” policy which consisted of exploiting millions of starving people in India so that British people wouldn’t feel the sting of losing their 6th meal a day.

        And then in Asia they lost ground against the Japanese and their navy was raped because of how much of a joke it had been since the 1st world war and had to rely on the US to bail them out there too.

        Meanwhile the US came in, armed fueled and fed every single Allied power for the entire war. Soviet soldiers rode in on American made trains and American Trucks, Britain escorted its convoys with American warships and fought with American tanks, while eating American food. And they were a secondary power to the US on every front both appeared on. Especially the ETO where the US made up 60% of the total force and Britain only made up about 20%.

        During WW1 Britain, France, Russia and Italy were all completely broken and France was seriously at risk of collapsing completely before the US joined the war, The fact of the matter is that without the overwhelming military contribution of the US during WW1 Britain would have lost it. As i pointed out before America is a superior military power to Britain and formulated a better military strategy than attritional static warfare. Which is why it ended so quickly after the US joined.

        Also Israel? Balfour deceleration anyone? The destabilization of Iraq that led to Sadam gaining power was the direct result of the British failure at occupying it as a imperialist power after ww1. Kuwait was also a former British territory. Wahhabism was directly supporting by the British during WW1 to support the Arab Revolts against Ottoman rule.

        Korea was the Result of Britain actively supporting the Japanese Imperialist powers. If Japan hadn’t decided it was a good idea to genocide Chinese people and occupy all of Asia then China would have been more than capable of stopping the communist revolution and there would have been no need to break Korea into two states based on Ideology.

      • anyone says:

        Big mouth
        ‘BTW the British financed their war effort on American credit. Hitler rose to power because the British failed to enforce their own treaties in Germany, Allowing the Nazis to take power, undermine democracy, militarize and invade multiple countries. Blaming the market crash of 1929 for the rise of Nazism that started in 1919 is hilariously retarded. The British government funded fascists like Mussolini who influenced the formation of the Nazi party and Germany relying on American credit from the Dawes plan was the result of a failed British postwar economic plan.’

        I should read some history if I were you. Hitler got into power on the back of an economic deprerssion caused by American greed, before he broke a single international treaty.
        The USA traded with the Nazis right up until the time that Germany declared war on the USA, while Britain was at war with Germany.

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        Oh really? I love that conspiracy theory from British fucktards like you? Please tell me about how the US was somehow trading with Nazi Germany in 1939-1941 when Britain had blockaded mainland Europe from any trade? I’m sure you’ll just piss yourself and tell me about how Ford built a factory in 1924 (far before the Nazis gained power) that was nationalized by the Nazis shortly after they seized power.

      • anyone says:

        Big mouth…
        Ford, General Motors IBM (paricularly useful to the Nazis in counting the Holocaust victims), Standard Oil, Chase Bank , and so on, and so on and so on.

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        Funny thing about all of those is that they were nationalized in Nazi Germany, because you’re not very smart you don’t seem to understand how it would be literally impossible for an American company to cooperate with the Nazi Government that seized all foreign assets. Companies like Rolls-Royce also had assets in Nazi Germany.

      • anyone says:

        Big mouth…
        ‘You really shouldn’t talk about British contributions to ww2 unless you’re discussing their contributions to causing the war. Britain failed to protect Czechoslovakia, Poland, France, Belgium, The Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Greece etc. and then fled behind the English channel for years because Nazi Germany had no ability to carry out a amphibious campaign due to their complete lack of a Navy.’

        Get lost.
        Britain protect France! With the French having the biggest Army in the world.

        Thank you for confirming that Germany had no ability to invade Britain and thus Britain was not saved by another country.

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        Britain was indeed willing to surrender simply because they had no will to fight, Germany was incapable in the Navy and Air, but not as incapable as Britain. The Blitz that was a drop in the bucket in terms of attacks on civilians and the submarines hitting one out of 100 of the ships going into Britain literally led to mass defeatism and military paralysis, Britain was teetering on the brink of surrender even without the Nazi invasion. and only began carrying out any military offensive once they received overwhelming US support through neutrality patrols, lend lease and the declaration of war in 1941.

      • anyone says:

        Big mouth…
        ‘Britain was indeed willing to surrender simply because they had no will to fight, Germany was incapable in the Navy and Air, but not as incapable as Britain. The Blitz that was a drop in the bucket in terms of attacks on civilians and the submarines hitting one out of 100 of the ships going into Britain literally led to mass defeatism and military paralysis, Britain was teetering on the brink of surrender even without the Nazi invasion. and only began carrying out any military offensive once they received overwhelming US support through neutrality patrols, lend lease and the declaration of war in 1941.’

        ROTFL, then ROTFL again.

        Britain ready tro surrender becvause it had no will to fight!!! You must be out of your mind. The Nazis tried several tiomes to make peace on their terms and got ignored.
        Britain teetering on the brink of surrender!!!!! You must be out of mind.
        In 1940 British had the world’s most advanced air defence system, the world’s largest navy, the world’s largest merchant navy, the world’s largest shipbuilding industry, Europe’s largest aircraft industry and Europe’s largest automobile industry. As well as this, Britain was routinely reading German army and air force coded radio messages.

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        Largest Navy? Nope, Their navy was a paper tiger getting decimated by the Japanese and Italians until American intervention. Most advanced air defense system? Who gives a shit you’re still getting bombed where America isn’t. Largest shipbuilding industry? Is that why your fleet was being built in America? Largest automotive industry? is that why your cars were built in America? Largest merchant Navy? you couldn’t defend it and it only existed to import good from America. Largest aircraft production? who gives a shit. And every vehicle was being powered by American fuel.

        Nice job demonstrating just how incapable the British military was that they had all that and still surrendered Europe to Nazi tyranny for half a decade though.

      • anyone says:

        ‘Pro-Nazi big mouth…

        Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth…
        The Japanese decimating the Royal Navy in 1940? I dont think so, the two countries were not even at war. ROTFL.
        The Italians decimating the Royal Navy in 1940? I dont think so. Take a look at Taranto, 11.11.1940. Amongst others. ROTFL.

        ‘Most advanced air defense system? Who gives a shit you’re still getting bombed where America isn’t.’ Your words.
        So don’t come on here trying to tell others.

        ‘Largest shipbuilding industry? Is that why your fleet was being built in America? ‘
        ROTFL. what fleet?

        ‘Largest automotive industry? is that why your cars were built in America? ‘
        ROTFL. What cars built in America?

        ‘Largest merchant Navy? you couldn’t defend it and it only existed to import good from America.’
        ROTFL.
        90% of ships bound for Britain arrived without incident. Fact. Britain imported 40% of ots needs. Fact. Of that 40%, 45% came from the USA. Fact. Britain accounted for 4 out of every 5 U-boats sunk. Fact.

        ‘Largest aircraft production? who gives a shit. And every vehicle was being powered by American fuel.’ Nope, fuel canmr from the middle east and Central America as well as the USA – all of which had to be bought and paid for. If you do not think that was a good idea then youn must be pro-Nazi.

        0/10 .No effort to learn the subject.
        Go and see your teacher. Whoops, in your case, go and see the nearest warder on your wing in whichever nut house you are in.

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        Lol now you’re falling back on accusing me of being a Nazi, despite defending the UK for supporting fascism and running such a failed military that the Nazis were able to conquer Europe.

        Britain was militarily incapable and had its fleets, army and Navy decimated. Relying on American aid to even keep their country intact behind the Channel.

        Britain never sunk a U-boat unless it was scrapped after the war, At every front, Africa, Asia, Pacific, Atlantic, Northern Europe, Italy etc They could only function by being used as unreliable auxilliaries to other allied forces. And using by American equipment and supply. That’s the facts.

        The British consistently lost against every enemy except for tribesman with grass skirts and wooden shields. Relying on allies they’d stab in the back to do all the work.

        Anything that makes you upset over these facts is cuck rage by the fact America is far superior and turned your shithole country into a puppet state barely more than a oversized military base.

      • anyone says:

        Pro Nazi big mouth…
        ‘Lol now you’re falling back on accusing me of being a Nazi, despite defending the UK for supporting fascism and running such a failed military that the Nazis were able to conquer Europe.’
        When did you defend Britain?

        ‘Britain never sunk a U-boat unless it was scrapped after the war, At every front, Africa, Asia, Pacific, Atlantic, Northern Europe, Italy etc They could only function by being used as unreliable auxilliaries to other allied forces. And using by American equipment and supply. That’s the facts.’

        ROTFL. We sank the bloody lot Matey – including U571 that featured in yet another Hollywood lie.
        You know, that film you think is a documentary.

        Here is tip for you. Those oblong shaped blocks your adoptive parents use for doorstops. Pick one up, you will see that it has pieces of paper with black shapes on it. They are called words. Get teacher to explain what they mean.

        Fancy some more?

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        Britain didn’t sink anything beyond their imperial power and their outdated fleet during ww2. You can try to insult your betters online all you want but you’re just a failure upset by my natural superiority over you. The fact is British cucks like you are cowards and militarily incapable. Instead lying to yourself and others about your contributions to WW2 as a bystander and glorified military base for the US.

      • anyone says:

        Pro Nazi big mouth…

        ROTFL

        Have you ever visited the planet Earth?

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        That’s not a counterargument. Everything you’ve claimed is based out of fantasy anyways which makes it even more hilarious. I guess you like to look in the mirror when you’re writing these replies.

      • hellcatdwe says:

        I doubt that you see any reflection when you look in yours.

      • hellcatdwe says:

        The Royal Navy did not sink a single U-boat until after the end of the war, despite the
        evidence from the Kriegsmarine’s own courts of enquiry and archives, that they
        sank over 155 before the US even got involved in the Atlantic war. But then
        Hollywood teaches Americans, who fall for it every time, that it was they who
        captured U-571 and stole the Enigma machine – despite the RN having taken it
        from U-33 in 1940, and the all-important code books from U-110 in early 1941.

      • hellcatdwe says:

        ‘The British consistently lost against every enemy except for tribesman with grass skirts and wooden shields’.

        Whilst the US Army were heroes for massacring Native Americans, armed with pointed sticks, using repeating rifles and Gatling guns, and for using 2.7 million men, warships, chemical warfare, napalm, B52s, flame throwers, armour,
        artillery and every 20th Century weapon at its disposal, short of
        nuclear, against Vietnamese farmers armed with hoes and rice flails – and still lost.

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        Sorry to say while the US treatment of Native Americans and Vietnamese wasn’t very nice the dichotomy is huge. Native American tribes largely faced off against white settlers with their “Braves” which were lifelong hunters and warriors with modern firearms they’d purchase from other whites. They’d generally attack with overwhelming numbers against small groups of settlers and the US Army was mostly made of militias from local farmers who had no experience with war and their own equipment.

        I’d love to hear where you got the 2.7 million men number for the US forces in Vietnam. The actual number is more around 600,000 compared to the near 4 million NVA and 1,000,000 NLF troops. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of supporting Chinese troops doing support job. Oh also the North Vietnamese had among other things state of the art weaponry including tanks and missiles being imported from across the communist bloc.

        And to top it off the US destroyed the military forces of the North. The reason the US “lost” was because of the failures of the local southern government to form prevent itself from collapsing.

      • anyone says:

        While at the same time your fat retarded bastard of a PM was begging the US to save them from Nazi Aggression with the “Europe First” policy which consisted of exploiting millions of starving people in India so that British people wouldn’t feel the sting of losing their 6th meal a day.

      • anyone says:

        Big mouth…
        ‘During WW1 Britain, France, Russia and Italy were all completely broken and France was seriously at risk of collapsing completely before the US joined the war, The fact of the matter is that without the overwhelming military contribution of the US during WW1 Britain would have lost it. As i pointed out before America is a superior military power to Britain and formulated a better military strategy than attritional static warfare. Which is why it ended so quickly after the US joined.’

        Get lost. The war ended because of the British blockade and the atritional effect of Russian, French and British saccrifices. The USA turned up when it was time for the vicrory parade and reparations.

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        The War was won by the US leading the 100 days offensive, Germany had taken a huge supply base from Russia that would feed and supply them with the end of the war in the east, They were also able to transfer some 100 divisions over to the west. WW1 ended because the US brought maneuver warfare to the foray and cut off the German Army in its entirety. British troops were entirely useless in combat and served as little more than cannon fodder. Any myth of national heroism is dashed by the fact of the matter which is that your military was incapable and failed miserably at every turn.

        Also since Britain financed the entire first world war by taking loans from the US to buy American goods all reparations rightfully belonged to the US.

      • anyone says:

        Pro Nazi big mouth…
        ‘The War was won by the US leading the 100 days offensive, Germany had taken a huge supply base from Russia that would feed and supply them with the end of the war in the east, They were also able to transfer some 100 divisions over to the west. WW1 ended because the US brought maneuver warfare to the foray and cut off the German Army in its entirety. British troops were entirely useless in combat and served as little more than cannon fodder. Any myth of national heroism is dashed by the fact of the matter which is that your military was incapable and failed miserably at every turn.

        Also since Britain financed the entire first world war by taking loans from the US to buy American goods all reparations rightfully belonged to the US.’

        The only thing the US led was the scramble (in their case undeserved) rush for the spoils of war.
        France led the war in the west on land and British at sea. The USA did piss all fighting, having got rich by bleeding France and Britain white. French, Russian and Briitish endurance as well as the Royal Navy blockade won the war. About the only thing the USA charged was the interest on their loans.

        That is why virtually all of their Second World War senior commanders had zero combat experience.
        There was none to be had in the US Army.

      • anyone says:

        Big mouth…
        ‘Hitler gained power through repression from his militarized gang of Freikorps and Stormtroopers (which were larger and better armed than the actual army) running the country. Which wouldn’t have happened if the Entente had occupied the country which the British opposed because of how thread bare their state was that they wouldn’t be able to maintain it. Meaning they’d have to rely on big daddy America solving their problem again.’

        Err.. Hitler gained power through the ballot box.

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        Actually no he didn’t retard. The SA outnumbered the reichswehr 10/1 and they murdered and repressed voters who didn’t support the Nazis.

      • anyone says:

        Big mouth..
        ‘Actually no he didn’t retard. The SA outnumbered the reichswehr 10/1 and they murdered and repressed voters who didn’t support the Nazis.’
        If they it did not work as the Nazi vote had declined from the previous election – an agreement with Von Papen got Hitler into Power.

        ‘It was about as much of a democratic election as what Putin did in Crimea.’
        …or a US presidential election.

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        That’s called derailing to avoid the fact your claim was toast.

      • anyone says:

        ‘While at the same time your fat retarded bastard of a PM was begging the US to save them from Nazi Aggression.’
        When did that happen?

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        “in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.”

        That’s the closing of Churchill’s ” fight on the beaches” speech. The entire British war effort in 1940-41 was to try and demonstrate that it was in American interest to stop the Nazis and defend Britain.

      • anyone says:

        Pro Nazi big mouth…

        Get it right.
        This what Churchill said:
        ‘We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.’

        Thast was naughty. The whole British effort was to defeat Hitler. As Churchill knew we would by the end of 1940.

      • anyone says:

        Big Mouth…
        ‘Britain got to the top of Europe by bleeding the European powers white during the French period and then ground up their own people into hamburger because of their failing military having to rely on America to bail them out once they couldn’t rely on the French, Russians or Italians to defeat the Bosche. Either way the British reason for joining the war was callous anxiety from Germany becoming the most powerful nation in Europe in 1871, Wheras the US joined to defend their autonomy against foreign attacks.’

        See this…
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opDuw4OZ3QI
        Why World War II Matters – Victor Davis Hanson
        39 minutes 37 seconds onwards…

        But before then, sit down in a cool dark room for a couple of hours.

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        I love how you’re linking to an erroneous comment made about the 2nd world war when we’re discussing the first world war. Where Britain brilliantly had their entire professional army destroyed in a matter of a month by a bunch of poorly trained German conscripts.

        Or WW2 for that matter where they took a backseat to the US, Soviet Union and China who did almost all the fighting after again having their army decimated by the Nazis within a few months. British forces during WW2 were an unreliable auxiliary to the western allied forces.

      • anyone says:

        ‘Korea was the Result of Britain actively supporting the Japanese Imperialist powers. If Japan hadn’t decided it was a good idea to genocide Chinese people and occupy all of Asia then China would have been more than capable of stopping the communist revolution and there would have been no need to break Korea into two states based on Ideology.’

        You must be out your mind if you think this..

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        Let’s see, who armed the Imperialist in Japan? who invaded Korea after gaining power in Japan? Who weakened China to communist takeover? If Britain hadn’t armed xenophobic terrorists in a failed bid to make Japan into a puppet state they’d never have raped and destroyed most of Asia.

      • anyone says:

        Big mouth…
        ‘Also Israel? Balfour deceleration anyone? The destabilization of Iraq that led to Sadam gaining power was the direct result of the British failure at occupying it as a imperialist power after ww1. Kuwait was also a former British territory. Wahhabism was directly supporting by the British during WW1 to support the Arab Revolts against Ottoman rule.

        The USA arming Israel to its teeth and giving it a blank cheque to do what it likes in Palestine. The USA arming Hussain until he turned on his neighbours. Iran sees the USA as its enemy, so does Syria, so do the Palastinians. US greed and its meddling in the middle east let the Russians get a foot in the door. That is where we are in the middle east.

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        Britain took the middle east from Turkey after the first world war and established the state of Israel betraying the Arabs they made false promises to for most of the war. And the British government still supports zionists. Sadam gained power because Britain couldn’t keep control over Iraq after ww2. Islamist groups gained power in Afghanistan as a result of the destabilizing influence of the British leading to Soviet Invasion. Pakistan was a former British territory, Palestine. Funding the extremist muslims during ww1 to form the Arab Revolt. The 1953 Coup in Iran was code-named operation Boot by the British intelligence service since they orchestrated it to try and gain access to oil.

        Until Britain turned the entire region into a shithole the only American intervention in the Muslim world was to stop Barbary Corsairs from attacking US ships.

      • hellcatdwe says:

        Look up the word decimated – it doesn’t mean what you think it does. Not very educated are you?

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        The British army was completely destroyed and fled with their tails between their legs. Captured British equipment got more use as Nazi weapons than in their British hands and the British’s only hope was to get America to save them. That’s decimated as far as i’m concerned.

      • anyone says:

        Big Mouth…
        ‘Meanwhile the US came in, armed fueled and fed every single Allied power for the entire war. Soviet soldiers rode in on American made trains and American Trucks’

        British, Canadian and US Lend-lease supplies amounted to 5% of Russian needs, US Lend-lease supplies amounted 11% of Britain’s needs. American lorries supplied to Russia in fact amounted to 5.4% of Russian supply vehicles in January 1943, 19% in January 1944 and 30.4% in January 1945. ‘The Soviets started the war with over 28,000 locomotives and 600,000 cars, suffering only limited losses to destruction or capture. Plus, many US Lend Lease locomotives and cars were used to deliver Lend Lease in Persia and mostly arrived from mid 1944 onwards. US Lend Lease in terms of railroad material was just a drop in the bucket.’

        ‘Britain escorted its convoys with American warships and fought with American tanks, while eating American food.’
        Britain used 1,303 convoy escorts during the war. 194 were of US origin. US food supplies amounted to 400 tons a day. ASbout enough to feed the City of Bradford.

        Britain was the only one of the five major belligerents (Britain, Germany, Italy, Japan and Russia) that went to war on behalf of another country, all the others attacked other countries or were an attack. The USA is excluded from this group of nations as its homeland was never under threat and therefore it does not deserve to have a place at the top table.

        Britain was the only major country to fight from the beginning to the end of the war. The only country to fight Germany and Italy on its own – for an entire year. The only country to fight in every part of the war: North West Europe, Italy, North Africa, Central Africa, the Balkans, Asia and the Pacific. On its own Britain out-produced Germany. All this from a country that is the size of the US State of Oregon and for four years was 20 miles from the enemy.

        Britain created radar, sonar, the proximity fuse, the world’s first electronic computer, worked (As did Canada) on the atom bomb – even as the USA arrogantly claimed the whole thing for themselves. Churchill was by a distance the outstanding leader in the war and over six years of war Britain avoided repeating the bloodbaths of the First World War.

        As far as the Second World War is concerned, we rule.

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        Wrong on every single count. Britain was never under direct threat, You’re just cowards who ran behind the channel after the fighting started after they realized they should have intervined sooner because the British army couldn’t handle a military force with anything greater than grass skirts and wooden spears. Britain sat on their their hands and waited for America to save the day,

        Britain got over 95% of their Fuel from the US, their entire escort fleet, and the vast majority of their AFVs were American too. 1/4th off all ammo production and all British transport aircraft were American, Along with 40% of their motor vehicles. half of their radios and telephones. and almost all of their food was American too.

        The Soviet Union got all of its motor vehicles and railcars from the US, all of their telephones and radios from the US a good chunk of fuel from the US through the later parts of the war when their own domestic oil was on the frontline. almost all of their ammunition and food from the US etc.

        Churchill got millions of non-combatants killed and took a back pass to more capable leaders. and the British position was to cower behind some water and hope someone rescued them. That’s about as much of a fight as someone seeing their friends get beaten up and cowering behind a locked door until the police show up and arrest the guys attacking them.

        Radar, Computers, VT fuses and the Atom bomb were all American inventions. British forces were inferior on every front to American forces and most of the other allied powers in terms of tactics, strategy, industry and technology. And ww2 ended with Britain losing control of their entire empire and becoming a territory of the US.

      • anyone says:

        Big mouth…
        ‘Wrong on every single count. Britain was never under direct threat,.’

        In that case The USA did not save Britain. Thank you for confinming that.

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        Sure you were, There were light bombers from mainland Europe and submarines sinking fishing boats. That was what it took to bring the British to their knees blowing American dick to save them from their goose stepping overlords.

      • anyone says:

        Big mouth…
        ‘Britain got over 95% of their Fuel from the US, their entire escort fleet, and the vast majority of their AFVs were American too. 1/4th off all ammo production and all British transport aircraft were American, Along with 40% of their motor vehicles. half of their radios and telephones. and almost all of their food was American too.’

        Wrong on all counts – yet again. Fuel came from the the Americas and, on an increasing scale from the middle east. You have already had the figures on escorts. Here is the detail:
        Destroyers (First World War)
        R and S classes 12, V,W and Modified W Classes 52, Shakespere Class 3, Scott Class 6,
        Ex USA 46,
        Destroyers (Post First World War)
        Prototype 2, Flotilla Leader and A Class 9, Flotilla Leader and B Class 9,
        Flotilla Leader and C and D Classes 9, Flotilla Leader and E and F Classes18,
        Flotilla Leader and G and H Classes18, Flotilla Leader and I Class 9,
        Tribal Class 10, J and K Classes17, L and M Classes 16, N Class 8, O and P Classes16,
        Q and R Classes16, S and T Classes16, U and V Classes16, W and Z Classes16,
        C Class (CA, CH, CO and CR Groups) 30, Battle Class 22, Weapons Class 2.
        Escort Destroyers: Hunt Class 94, Ex Dutch 6, Ex French7,
        Total 483

        Sloops
        Flower Class 4, 24 Class 4, Bridgewater, Hastings, Shoreham and Falmouth Classes14,
        Grimsby Class 8,
        Bittern Class 3,
        Egrit Class 3,
        Black Swan Class 9,
        Modified Black Swan Class 7, Hunt Class 6, Halcyon Class 21, Bangor Class 68, Bathhurst Class 4,
        Algerine Class (62 built in Canada)117, PC Class 3, King Fisher Class 9.
        Total 320

        Corvettes
        Flower Class (10 Canadian Built) 141, Modified Flower Class (13 Canadian Built) 27,
        Castle Class (10 Canadian Built) 59.
        Total 227

        Frigates
        River Class 51, Loch / Bay Class 74, Catherine Class (Ex-American) 34,
        Captain Class (Ex-American) 78, Colony Class (Ex-American) 21, Kit Class (Ex American) 15.
        Total 273.

        As for ammunition, the 25% you cite was only in the Autumn, Winter and Spring of 1943/44.
        Transport aircraft amounted to Dakotas which Britain agreed should be produced as standard.
        The rest of you have foolishly claimed ids just drivel.

        Do yourself a favour. Sit down and think about what the chances are that anyone reading this will think that you will know more about this subject than me.

        I have already forgotten more than you wiull ever know.

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        There were only 3 countries on the planet producing oil in any significant amount during WW2, The Soviet Union, Venezuela and the US. The US was produced 200 million tons of fuel every year during ww2. The entire British empire produced 15 million tons a year for the duration of the whole war out of Iran and Iraq. The Soviet Union produced 30 million tons and Venezuela produced 15 million tons annually. There’s literally no way that Britain could have powered its military without American fuel.
        https://ww2-weapons.com/military-expenditures-strategic-raw-materials-oil-production/

        http://digital.library.northwestern.edu/league/le0277ah.pdf

        You hilariously don’t know anything since you think the US was selling trucks to Nazi Germany during ww2 and that Britain invented the A-bomb, but don’t let reality stop you from embarrassing yourself.

      • hellcatdwe says:

        7 million men, out of a total population of 40 million = 17.5%. 16 million out of 131 million = 12.2%. And you had run out of reserves by December,1944, because more men were carrying PX supplies than were fighting.

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        All militaries have more support staff than combat units. British forces had an even greater number of support units than combat units because of how unreliable they were. British combat units were giving their arms and vehicles to untrained partisans because they were a more capable fighting force during 1944.

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        What’s the Matter? You made your account just to reply to me. I suppose it’s more likely that with how much i taught you in 2 paragraphs compared to what you learned in your school’s propaganda class. I ended up blue screening you?

      • Paul Greenwood says:

        USA declared NEUTRALITY Sept 1939

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        Lol and? It was Britain who allowed Germany to be taken over by Nazis, Build up their military, Invade the Rhineland, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Memel and then allowed the Nazis to dominate mainland Europe. The US joined ww2 because The Nazis declared war on us. Quite simply because the British were incapable. Big daddy America had to come in and take charge because your “leaders” were a fat fuck running what was left of your country into the ground, A guy who managed to get more bomber crewman killed than enemy civilians while pelting them with napalm and A dude who couldn’t get over his oedipus complex because his mom beat him.

      • Paul Greenwood says:

        USSR did the job not USA

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        They sure did when they were sending resources to the Nazis that were essential to their war effort. And helping them invade Poland.

      • hellcatdwe says:

        Total RAF Bomber Command fatalities were 55,000 in six years. Eaker got 26,000 killed in only two years. Shows how superior American commanders were. The ‘fat f**k’ was only that because his mother was American and eating their fair share and several other peoples’ is in American’s genes. Like you, it feeds their phobias, prejudices and inferiority complexes. Napalm was used on Berlin by the USAAF in March, 1944. Another reason for you to feel superior.

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        The British carried out no strategic bombing until 1943 successfully and couldn’t do any daytime raiding once strategic bombing started during the daytime because they couldn’t design a fighter with the range to escort a bomber to Germany and back (the P-51). Even with doing less than half the bombing US forces carried out they still managed to get more pilots killed because of their natural inferiority.

      • hellcatdwe says:

        What does Hollywood tell you about the failure of the US to accept its obligations under the Treaty of Versaille to act against Germany in the 1930s? What does Hollywood tell you about the cowardice of American troops at the Battle of the Kasserine Pass, when the Brits had to do your job for you and Patton? What does it tell you about Bataan, and the German thrust in the Ardennes, when American troops ran faster than Carl Lewis? I know you’re a retarded redneck, so I’m trying to make allowances, but you really do represent the worst kind of loud mouthed Yank.

      • WomenAreMoreOpressedthanNegros says:

        What obligation under the treaty of Versailles? Does the little British cuckold want America to go to war to stop the Nazis when your own government refused to do the same dooming Europe to years of Nazi rule? You’re not very bright are you? Britain was the one who had obligation to protect Europe from German expansionism specifically because they refused to work on the superior American plan of occupying the country.

  2. Kevin Hiatt says:

    My late father was in a HAA Unit Royal Artillary and was cut off in that battle, they were using their Anti Aircrraft guns as field guns as no aircraft flying.

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