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German POWs and the Art of Survival

By Simon Rees 
Originally published by Military History magazine. Published Online: July 17, 2007 
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Götterdämmerung—"Twilight of the Gods"—Adolf Hitler's parting legacy to Europe. Nothing was to be left for the victorious Allies. Where there had been cities, they would find rubble. Where there had been cultivated fields, they would find wilderness. The Führer and his henchmen came close to achieving this goal. Agricultural production had ground to a halt, while in urban centers millions had been bombed out of their homes and were living on the edge of starvation. Distribution of the limited stockpiles of food was severely constrained by the smashed state of Central Europe's rail and transport infrastructure. To the west the population was swelling daily as an estimated 12 to 14.5 million fled Russian-occupied territory. Survivors of the Nazi slave labor and death camps were in desperate need of aid, as were thousands of newly released Allied POWs. The Western Allies and Soviets were forced to make some tough choices concerning German and Axis prisoners of war.

Under the 1929 Geneva Convention, POWs were entitled to a diet equivalent to that of the occupying troops. Given the circumstances in Europe at the end of the war, however, a 2,000-calorie diet, the recommended daily minimum, would have been impossible to maintain. The bulk of Allied shipping was now earmarked for the Pacific theater; only when the war had been won would supplies be diverted to Europe.

In early April 1945, the United States was responsible for 313,000 prisoners in Europe; by month's end this total had shot up to 2.1 million. After the fall of the Third Reich, the number rose to a staggering 5 million German and Axis POWs. Of those, an estimated 56,000, or about 1 percent, died—roughly equal to the mortality rate American POWs suffered in German hands.

Those held in Soviet-occupied territory fared far worse. Officially, the Soviet Union took 2,388,000 Germans and 1,097,000 combatants from other European nations as prisoners during and just after the war. More than a million of the German captives died. The immense suffering Germany and her Axis partners had caused surely played a key role in the treatment of enemy POWs. "In 1945, in Soviet eyes it was time to pay," wrote British military historian Max Arthur. "For most Russian soldiers, any instinct for pity or mercy had died somewhere on a hundred battlefields between Moscow and Warsaw."

Josef Stalin's regime was ill equipped to deal with prisoners: In 1943 as more enemy units fell into Soviet hands, death rates among POWs lingered around 60 percent. Roughly 570,000 German and Axis prisoners had already died in captivity. By March 1944, conditions began to improve, but for economic reasons: As its manpower was swallowed up in the war effort, the USSR turned to POWs as a surrogate work force. While POWs were not technically part of the gulag system, the lines were often blurred. Camps and detainment centers often comprised poorly constructed huts that offered scant protection from bitter Russian winter winds. The Soviet Union repatriated prisoners at irregular intervals, sometimes in large numbers. As late as 1953, however, at least 20,000 German POWs remained in Russia. After Stalin's death, those men were finally sent home.

As a young teen in 1939, Milan Lorman witnessed the Nazi dismemberment of Czechoslovakia and the creation of Slovakia as a satellite state of the Third Reich. Lorman's father, a poor country teacher, diligently traced the family's Germanic roots to claim entitlements offered by the Third Reich to those of German origin. But there was a cost for such subsidies: In 1943 a letter arrived asking Lorman's father why his son, now 18, had not volunteered for the SS. The letter alluded to the cessation of entitlements should the teenager fail to join. Under great pressure, young Lorman accepted his fate and volunteered for the Waffen SS.

Following basic training, Lorman's unit of field engineers was sent to Greece, then on to the Eastern Front. There, in early 1945, as the Red Army advanced, he was promoted to NCO and joined roughly 1,000 men in an intensive training program. But with news of a Russian breakthrough at nearby Poznan, the trainees were rushed to the front. Casualties were high. By April 18, 1945, just 60 remained in Lorman's unit, fighting desperately alongside a canal between the Oder and Neisse rivers. By that afternoon, only 17 men were left, so a surviving sergeant gathered the men and ordered them to make for headquarters—wherever that might be.

Emerging from the forest, a relieved Lorman stumbled toward a group of 10 or so men, thinking they were a detachment from a Hungarian unit that had been stationed on Lorman's left. He was wrong. They were Red Army troops, and they beckoned him on. The Russians were amazed to find they had bagged a Slovak in the SS, and a White Russian to boot. Whites were considered traitors and could expect a long confinement in the worst of the gulags—or a bullet.

Asked whether he had any cigarettes, Lorman handed over his stash and was pleased to see they gave some back. "I began to hope that I shall survive this experience," he recalled. "Surely they would not bother handing back those cigarettes to a man they were about to kill."

The smoke break was cut short, however, by incoming fire from the woods. A Russian NCO ordered Lorman to stand up and call for the shooters to surrender. Lorman realized the danger he faced: Stand up and get shot, or refuse the order and get shot, but at close range. He jumped up, called out and received a burst of gunfire in reply. Only one bullet hit him, passing through his thigh. Following that action, the Russian NCO had Lorman patched up and sent to an aid station. That night Lorman slept in a goat sty with other POWs.

"There are honorable soldiers in all armies," Lorman said, "and I was fortunate enough to fall into the hands of some of them." Those feelings wouldn't last.

The next morning Lorman watched as a Red Army soldier frolicked with a golden duckling in the spring sunshine. When called to report to a nearby house, the man suddenly dashed the bird to the floor and crushed it dead under his boot heel. For Lorman, it was a terrifying moment. "I don't want to believe that the central actor in this story was really a Russian," he recalled. "I cannot describe my feelings at the time. Later when the initial shock wore off, I told myself to be very wary of these people. From that day on I was determined to humor them and to avoid the fate suffered by the beautiful duckling."

Lorman was sent to a hospital in Swiebodzin to recover from his wounds. The facility sheltered about 120 prisoners. "All of us were wounded or sick," he said, "but with each new day more and more of us were recovering." The nurses put the German and Axis POWs to work as orderlies, helping the wounded to the operating theater, cleaning the grounds and burying the dead.

As Lorman realized the hospital was a comparative oasis of calm, perhaps vital to his chances for survival, he improved his language skills and became a translator. "I didn't miss a single opportunity to strike up a conversation with one or another of the Russians," he said.

Others were less willing to cooperate. One evening a German officer and his men refused to clean the hospital yard, claiming it was against the Geneva Convention to work after the last meal of the day. Lorman and others broke ranks and started to clean up, while those who had protested, including the officer, were whisked away—to the gulag.

Ironically, that deportation improved conditions at the hospital: "With the number of prisoners now down to less than 40," said Lorman, "our lives took on an even more peaceful character. We had good food and enough of it, soft enough beds and warm enough blankets, even plenty of books to read."

In October 1945, a Russian major at the hospital told Lorman his group was to be repatriated. The major then asked coolly whether he should allow the SS men among the group to return. "Why not?" replied Lorman. "They also have homes to go to." The major knew well enough Lorman had been SS and was just toying with him. On October 13, 1945, he was given his discharge papers.

Traveling with a friend, Lorman headed west, hoping to reach his family's last known address, a house in the Austrian province of Steiermark. On October 18, the two arrived in the ravaged remains of Berlin and headed for the French sector. Lorman's friend was a French national from Alsace-Lorraine, and to continue on their journey, they would need proper documentation. They headed to a French military police station to file the necessary paperwork. Instead, both men were handcuffed and detained.

On discovering their detainees were former Waffen SS soldiers, the French authorities threw Lorman into solitary confinement in Tegel Prison while taking the man from Alsace-Lorraine for questioning elsewhere.

Stuck in a cell measuring 6 by 12 feet, Lorman now had to contend with loneliness and lack of exercise. "I didn't have any contact with the occupant of the neighboring cell," he said. "All I did see day after endless day was the same cramped cell."

"The food we were given was not quite enough for survival, only for gradual dying," said Lorman. "But to be fair, few people outside the prison gates were eating much better. By the end of the first nine months of this existence my weight was down to 103 pounds (I was 6 feet tall), and my morale was lower than the proverbial snake's belly."

In desperation, Lorman hatched a plan to gain his warders' attention. Complaining of sporadic headaches, he managed to hoard about a dozen aspirin, which he hid in his cell. When they found his stash during the next cell inspection, the guards asked Lorman for an explanation. "I intend to kill myself," he cried out. "Just look at me!"

The ploy worked, and the French authorities granted Lorman contact with other prisoners and even a job in the cookhouse. "Even though after each day's work I still had to return to my single cell," he said, "both my spirit and my body soon recovered."

Lorman was finally released on February 19, 1947, when he was 23. "I was set free into the chaotic postwar world to fend for myself," he recalled. But it would be years before Lorman and his family would be reunited.

Rudi Janssen experienced detention at the hands of the British. A country lad, he volunteered for service a year early at 17 in the first months of 1943 and was later called up to the Waffen SS. Trained as a signalman, he eventually arrived on the Eastern Front with a panzer unit in 1944. In early 1945 the Red Army started its drive into Nazi territory. One branch of its offensive swung north and cut off some German units in the east—including Janssen's—from the rest of the Reich.

Pushed back to positions near the Bay of Danzig, Janssen and his comrades endured a heavy artillery barrage that lasted several days while higher command attempted to evacuate the unit. "Now there was a real feeling of defeat," he said, "a resignation that it was the end."

Those lucky enough to be evacuated were taken to positions on a nearby peninsula, though still within range of the Red Army guns. Wounded in the leg by shrapnel during the bombardment, Janssen was later evacuated to Rostock by fast boat.

"After a few days convalescing, a doctor came round to our ward and told those of us who were 'walking wounded' that the Russians would be arriving soon," he recalled. "And that those who wanted to move out should do so now."

Janssen and five comrades went to a nearby station and jumped on a westbound freight train. When the train stopped seemingly in the middle of nowhere, Janssen and a comrade traveled on by foot until they arrived at Travemünde, near Lübeck, on May 3.

Janssen's wound wasn't healing properly, so he went to the hospital, where he was told to stay in the waiting room. He decided to head back to the Trave River and dispose of his pistol and paybook. Returning to the hospital, he soon heard the approach of military vehicles. The British were coming.

After being searched for weapons, the German troops in the hospital were told to await further instructions. "That evening a British officer arrived and in very good German informed us that there was no room in the hospital, and that the British would try and accommodate us somehow," he said. "Later that night, the British came back. They had pulled a train of cattle trucks into the station. They had straw on the floor of the trucks, and we were put into the trucks and locked up. Guards were placed on the platform.This was my first night of captivity." On the next day they were moved into a hotel.

After a few days, the British separated the SS men from the rest of the prisoners and sent them, including Janssen, to a newly liberated concentration camp near Hamburg. "Here our lives as prisoners really started. It was pretty rough and still a little cold, as it was mid-May. There were no blankets, and we slept on concrete and were questioned frequently, although not every day….None of us could speak English, and none of our guards could speak German, so there was no way of making conversation."

After 10 days or so, they were moved to a large bordered-off zone in the Schleswig-Holstein region where again there was no accommodation. "We slept in farm buildings and in hay," Janssen recalled, adding "some had made temporary holes in the ground, with a roof made of sticks and brush and covered with sods of turf. We were left to our own devices. As far as food was concerned, we had to grab what we could. A lot of stealing was going on—we grabbed potatoes from the fields. Ears of corn were stripped off around the cornfields. Most survived."

One day a batch of British soldiers arrived and announced they were looking for volunteers from among the POWs. Janssen put his name forward and soon found himself working as a clerk processing repatriation papers. Tellingly, those prioritized for return worked in agriculture or food production.

In early 1946, his job as a clerk over, Janssen was put onto a train of cattle trucks that was locked up and then started to roll. "We had no idea where we were going and how long the journey would take," he said. "Finally coming to a halt, we discovered that we had arrived in Belgium. All of us from the train were taken to a camp that I believe was at a place called Berchan. This camp was split into 'cages,' with up to roughly 6,000 POWs in each one. The camp population, I believe, was close to 36,000 POWs.The situation here was pretty rough, and we often went hungry."

On April 6 Janssen joined a detachment sent to England. The men were given hearty rations at a transit camp. "[It was] almost like a holiday camp to us," he recalled. "We could eat as much as we liked, which was fantastic, as by this stage we were quite undernourished."

Performing various jobs for the British army, Janssen found the conditions not only acceptable but almost comfortable. "Specific skills were needed in different camps at different times," he said, "and if you had a skill you found yourself moving about quite a bit. If you spoke good English, you would be used as a squad leader and, importantly, an interpreter—a skill much in demand."

In 1948, his last year of captivity, Janssen took up a British offer to extend his time in England as a farm laborer in return for regular pay and the opportunity to wear civilian clothes. Living in rural Surrey and by then fluent in English, Janssen felt himself integrated with the local community. When he returned to Germany on Christmas 1948, he took up another offer for former POWs to go back to Britain and continue working as agricultural laborers. Soon after he returned in 1949, he married. For Janssen, despite some tough times at the start, being a POW had led to the happiest of conclusions.

For further reading, Simon Rees recommends Eisenhower and the German POWs: Facts Against Falsehood, by Günter Bischof and Stephen E. Ambrose.


This article was written by Simon Rees and originally published in the May 2007 issue of Military History Magazine. For more great articles, subscribe to Military History magazine today!


142 Responses to “German POWs and the Art of Survival”


  1. 1
    Ben Rayner says:

    Can any one tell me, even in rough terms, the percentage of German POWS that remained in America after WWII. I cannot seem to find it any where on-line. Thanks fo any suggestions.

    Bennie

    • 1.1
      Texian says:

      Varied, some as late as the early 1950s, mostly officers. My wifes uncle returned from captivity in the Soviet Union in 1981. He was an air force radar technician captured by the Soviets in 1943 and used as virtual slave labor until out of the blue being let go. He was 19 when captured.

      • 1.1.1
        Dan says:

        My gosh thats terrible, really some day germany need some justice. Germany suffered so badly by the worst corrupt allies against them…

        I would have thought once the war is over everyone has to be released from captivity.

        Airforce radar technician…ok so what were his crimes that deserved punishment like that?

        I know Nuremberg was a very unfair ione sided trial and the allies were so corrupt and greedy.

        There is a lot revolving around this war that does not make sense. I know the German pows killed and starved were in the millions. What makes me mad is that just because innocent people responsible for the destruction of the German economy were placed into camps theyt also led to the destruction of the German people while keeping them under suppression today.

      • 1.1.2
        AIDAN CONVERY says:

        Rubbish!! 1981??!! Final repatriation was 1956.

      • 1.1.3
        zevrix says:

        1981? Doesn't sound believable. as someone already mentioned, 1956 was the last year. There would be a big story if someone had returned in 1981. If you can post any confirming link, that would be interesting.

  2. 2
    George Chen says:

    There are at least 1% of German/Axis POW (of more than 420 thousand incarcerated) remained in the U.S. who didn't want to return by the end of 1947. Especially of the few thousand Russian Red army who switched side and fought for the Nazi in the western front. Unfortunately they were repatriated to Gulag by Stalin's order.

    There are many others who befriend the locals around the area nearby, married American women and stay after the war. Most of them are located in the mid-west where majority Americans are German or central Europena decendents. I remember talking to a lady in Memphis, TN back in the 1970' when she remembered fondly the German POW boys she and her friends used to social with. Apparently most of the POW camps had very relaxed control then and even allowed inmates to go out to the towns.

    There are some German POW, who after repatriation, couldn't find jobs in 1950' Germany and decided to come back to U.S. by immigration.

    • 2.1
      falardeau raymond says:

      some had staid in canada. i had personnaly met some of them when i was working as a technician in civilian airlaines.

  3. 3
    Daphne Gilbertson says:

    I cannot find books or articles about German POWs in USSR, before the end of WWII and after WWII. I kow alot of German POWS died due to hard labor and diseases. The Russians would not give the Red Cross a list of German POWs. Did any of the POWs that were eventually released (some) in 1955, write a book?
    Did the German government help these men with jobs, housing?

    What happened to the POWS that had homes in E. Germany?

    I am really upset that Roosevelt and Churchill did nothing to help these Germans. Stalin was playing them as fools and they just followed. I read Stalin viewed Roosevelt as an invalid, and Churchill as a drunk. The Russians committed terrible crimes.

    • 3.1
      Monicka says:

      German POWs did not do well with the Russian or the Americans after the war. Eisenhower had them declared unarmed enemies so that they did not fall under the protection of the Geneva convention. The German soliders tryed to surrender to the Americans in hopes of better treatment.But Eisenhower had a order out that they were not to be given food water shelter or medical care. They were kept in large fenced in areas surrounded by guards and starved to death.
      The Russians either just killed them "in burtal methods" or they where interned in Gulags. The numbers are stagering it is easy to find information on this subject just look up Eisenhower camps or the treatment of German POWs after WW11 by Americans or by Russians.
      Monica

      • 3.1.1
        zevrix says:

        The Eisenhower story seems to be false, just look up the book in the end of this article.

    • 3.2
      Margit says:

      "What happened to the POWS that had homes in E. Germany? "

      As with most germans that where in the Eastern "teretories" by the end of WWII everybody tryed to escape from the advancing red army. Very few stayed, many more were cought up with by the russians, raped, murderd, killed or taken back to russia into camps/gulags.

      • 3.2.1
        Robin says:

        When I was in Zwiebrucken Germany in 83 the landlord was in a Russian POW camp for 7 years and told me he was never allowed to stand-up. That is about all I can remember because my german was not that good back then.

    • 3.3
      Barry Wood says:

      I also cannot locate any books that are written about German WWII soldiers who were say captured at Stalingrad en masse and became Russian prisoners. I wish to know about their experiences in the Gulags and hear about the lucky few who managed to survive and become repatriated to Germany. Can anyone please provide a list of books. It's a silent area!

      • 3.3.1
        Bob says:

        Peter Braun – 'Denn er wird meinen Fuss aus der Schlinge ziehen' – a book about Peter's Gulag experiences. he was in a camp in the Gulag with my Uncle.
        It's only in German and tough going with my limited German.
        If somebody wants a challenge and have good English and German – please translate this when you have a spare week or two!!!

      • 3.3.2
        Chris says:

        Read my grandfather's article "I WAS A PRISONER OF THE RUSSIANS
        FOR THREE YEARS (By Gerhard Vogel) from the website http://history.coxfamilyusa.com/Article.html

    • 3.4
      Bianca says:

      No – My father went home from Russian prison camp (mines actually) in 1949 and there was nothing for hime – a small amount of money and clothes from the red cross was all he got. He eventually got a war pension because he lost use of his hand

    • 3.5
      Peter Duke says:

      Old thread, but if you pick up a copy of "Enemy at the Gates", that book has a good deal of it devoted to the author's time in a Soviet POW camp. I remember reading it as a youth and it made an everlasting impression on me as to what the POWs went through and how they survived.

  4. 4
    Orgo says:

    Those switched russian pows or general Vlasov soldiers sent to gulags further they sent to various hard labor camps. One group of them came to Mongolia during early 50's and built Mongolian railroad. Also japanese pows used in various hard labor camps in several Mongolian locations.

    • 4.1
      Bob says:

      I think all of Vlassov's volunteers were actually murdered on handover.

      They were even lined up, after being unloaded from British ships in Murmansk, and shot on the dockside.

  5. 5
    Larry Burgess says:

    Its not surprising that most of the German POW's that ended up in the hands of the Russian didn't survive…..There would not have been a war crimes trial after the war if Stalin had had his way…..he wanted to line all the Nazi leaders up and shoot them…
    He told Truman and Churchill that holding a trial was a total waste of time……

    I believe the Russians looked upon German POW's as less than human and basically wanted revenge for what the Germans had done to the Russians earlier….With that being said, the Russians had very little compassion or empathy for any of the people they "liberated" in Eastern Europe. I use the term "liberated" very loosely….

    Look at the Katyn incident that happened early on…over 20,000 Poles were line up and shot by the Russians and then buried in mass graves….

    Stalin was determined to expand/extend communism over the "liberated" nations of Eastern Europe. He promised both FDR and Churchill that "free elections" would be held in Eastern Europe once the war was over, but he never really planned to follow through with his promise….Churchill knew that and said that very thing to FDR but FDR was determined to give "Uncle Joe" the benefit of the doubt…..

    The conquest/partition of Poland had been on the drawing board for both Stalin and Hitler for a long time…..years before the German attack on Poland in 1939.

    The neutrality treaty signed by both Stalin and Hitler prior to the war, clearly out-lined what was going to happen to Poland and what part of Poland was going to the Russians and what part would be given to Germany…..

    Keep in mind that Poland had been recreated at the end of World War I and most of the land that was set aside for the new Poland came from previous German and Russian territory…

    • 5.1
      gary d. snyder says:

      remember that FDR was was facing the invasion of Japan and/or use of the A-bomb.Europe was nearly won and as far as he knew the russians werent going to help against Japan.(Nor did they).

      • 5.1.1
        Lawrence of Arabia says:

        Yeah they did, check your facts. Stalin launched a massive attack on the Japanese in Manchuria which involved a classic double pincer movement.

  6. 6
    Seattle Mike says:

    My father-in-law was a German SS officerand POW who was held in Tennesee. Hremained in the USA after the war. He married my wife's mother and still lives in Montana at age 90 with her. He receives veteren benefits from Germany every month still! He said he worked on a flower farm as a prisoner and was treated so well he wanted to remain here. He was a panzer commander for the SS Totenkopf division but was not a war criminal. He does have the tattoo under his armpit. He has only returned to germany maybe 2 times. He loves the USA.

    • 6.1
      gary d. snyder says:

      I served with a man whose father commanded apanzer regt. on the eastern front.his father always said Americas greatest mistake was not taking on the soviets when we had the chance

      • 6.1.1
        Steve Y says:

        Your right they should have, he was almost as bad as the Nazi's.

      • 6.1.2
        Margit says:

        Wasen't that General Patens Idea???
        After all Stalin was a lot longer in power then Hitler and he ended up killing around 20 million of his own people.
        I don't think that count's the Women and Children that where morderd after WWII.

    • 6.2
      jb says:

      amazing. He gets payed for that?

    • 6.3
      Collette says:

      Just curious if it's really a small world. My Grandfather was a POW in Crossville TN from 1944-1946. I'm having a difficult time finding any information on the German POW's in TN…..I can't help but wonder if your father in-law and my grandfather were in the camp together. Johan Baptist Gruneisl was his name.

    • 6.4
      Monicka says:

      my uncle was was in the SS also in the death head squade. I have been doing alot of research on my other uncle that was in 5 different concentration camps as a political prisoner. And looking for records on my other uncle as well. Kirt Eschmann is his name.
      Anyways…..Seattle Mike I think you should e-mail me there are a few things I would like to tell you.
      Monicka

  7. 7
    Adam says:

    Interesting to hear about your father in law ; I am making a book about lost German prisoners in Russia and USA and already found some interesting stories
    Could you please contact me on my email Adam.all@mail.ru

    Regards
    Adam

  8. 8
    christopher paul weber says:

    it is sad that so many german soldiers were missing after the war,the russians were truly ruthless toward the german soldier and with good reason,however all these german soldiers who surrendered should have had the chance to start over their lives, many lives were cut short,much suffering was present,to not know the fate of loved ones who fought in the war is simply intolerable.

    • 8.1
      jb says:

      german soldiers-brainwashed
      russian soldiers-forced and vendictive
      Both sad. I hope the people in high power have knowledge of history

  9. 9
    Charles Rice says:

    My father was in the 186th FA Battalion, US First Army from Normandy to the war's end. After VE Day, they were scheduled to return to the US and prepare for the invasion of Japan. Thankfully, the bombs made that unnecessary. As my father had prior service, he had enough points to get an early discharge. He was sent west from Czechoslovakia to Cherbourg for his return home in September 1945.

    As he crossed Germany, he noticed railway trains packed with German prisoners also heading west. He asked where they were going, and was told they were being sent to work in France – as slave laborers! He told me that made him very angry, saying "That was the sort of thing we had been fighting to stop." He was a conscript himself, and said so had most of the German soldiers been. They had not wanted the war. He said it was right to make Germany pay reparations, but it was wrong to turn ordinary Germans into slaves. Yet such was the fate of many prisoners for years after the war, and not only in the East.

    My dad had met the Russians on the Elbe and later in Czechoslovakia. He told of pulling back from captured villages, then seeing the Russians move in and immediately begin looting (or worse). My mother told me one of the first things my father said about the war was that the US quit too soon. He said the US was the only country with the atomic bomb, and should have told Stalin the war was over and the Russians should go back to their own borders. He mentioned how both Hitler and Stalin had attacked Poland and begun WWII as allies. It has always amazed me that Britain and France declared war only on Hitler. Were they afraid of Stalin?

    Future historians may well regard the mid-20th Century as a time when civilization went backwards, instead of forwards. It was a return to barbarism.

    • 9.1
      jb says:

      II do wonder how the world would be today if such a stand off would of took place over russian controlled area and US during that time. Would of been ugly I think. More bombs in eastern europe or hundreds of thousands of troops fighting still after German surrender. OH MAN.

    • 9.2
      Bob Farrow says:

      It's an interesting fact that the Nazis and Soviets both invaded Poland and divided it between them. All by prior agreement. Stalin and Hitler had agreed which bits of Europe they were interested in and given each other the green light to do as they pleased. The west chose to turn a blind eye to Stalins activities and only declared war on Germany. They supported Stalin after Hitler invaded Russia and quite simply bent over backwards to please him. They turned a blind eye to the millions he had already murdered and continued to.
      Years after the War there were German POWs slaving in Belgium and French mines.
      Not forgetting the many hundreds of thousands of innocent people that the West repatriated to Russia knowing that they were facing extermination.
      The real suffering for the Germans came after the war. Many Germans were left in Hungary, Czechoslavakia, Yugoslavia, etc. These were Germans that had been living in these countries for hundreds of years yet maintained their culture, etc. These people were then incarcerated and used as slave labour, starved, murdered, etc.
      I recently read about some Czech writers and film makers that had dared talk about the crimes that had been commited against innocent German people – obviously these people are not popular.

      • 9.2.1
        Monicka says:

        My mother was a German who survived the war. She did not speak of any mistreatment but she had returned to her home town just before the war ended.

        Yet I do know what you mean about Germans that no ones is interested in hearing about. My uncle was arrested in 1943 I believe that was the date so far that is the earliest record I can find of him in a concentration camp. So far I have found records of him being in 5 of them.

        But what is interesting when you search for these records you find that many times German political prisoners are referred to as criminal prisoners. Many sights do not even mention them at all. They were vitiams as well but after the war they were hunted down as war criminals and sent to Russian Gulags to die or to serve long hard sentences.

        My uncle crime was that he did not belong to Hitlers political party. He went to his home town to visit his family the gestopo came to the door and took him for questioning.It got late so his sister took a coat and some food to the head quarters.She was told to forget she ever knew him,and to never come back or she would disapear as well.

        His family knew nothing of what happended to him he remained in the camps from 1943-1945. While in the camps he was made to be a kapo more then likely because he could speak several langues. He was never tried at any of the war trails after the war as alot of Kapos were.Yet in 1947 for some reason that his family does not know. He went with a woman that no one seems to know into East Germany where a Polish Jew is said to have recognized him from the camps. I have searched many places and have been unable to find any trail yet he was sent to a Russian Gulag for 7 years when he was released he weighed about 100 pounds he was over 6 foot. He had turberculos sp? he died 6 months later

        I am sure that my uncle is not the only story like this
        Monicka

    • 9.3
      bobf says:

      Totally concur with your father. Stalin's murderous activities including genocide, starving entire countries to death and alliances with hitler. The fact that the British went to war over Poland but ignored the fact that Stalin occupied one half of the country too.

  10. 10
    Mark LV says:

    I'm not sure that only 56,000 German prisoners died in US captivity. The writer James Bacque in his book 'Other Losses' mentions around a million fatalities. I do think this is exaggerated, but i reckon the truth is somewhere in between. The French were particularly vicious in their treatment of German prisoners, and they had much less reason to hate them than the Russians. I should also mention that in WW1 German prisoners were also very badly treated by the Russians, so it wasn't something you could just blame on the Communists. I guess it's a Slavic thing – just look at the war in Bosnia in the 1990s.

    • 10.1
      Rudolf says:

      Indeed, the concentration camps, the holocaust, over 200,000 civilians murdered during the Warsaw Upraise and many, many other war crimes was also "the Slavic" thing. The slaughter of millions defenceless men, women and children for the reasons of racist ideology cannot possibly be justified for any reason, and that those German generals who claimed that the Einsatzgruppen were a necessary anti-partisan response were lying
      This is just incredible how some people from Germany are working hard to glorify the shameless fact from own history.
      The historical true is that Germany started the WWII and whatever happened during next 6 years after 1-Sep-1939 and whatever happened during next 40 years of Soviet domination in Central and Eastern Europe was just a simple a consequence of the ideology born in Germany ruled by democratically elected government.

  11. 11

    [...] just gone through 6 months of hell. Most if not all were undernourished and exhausted. There are other references. [...]

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  13. 13
    Kurt says:

    Daphne Gilbertson, http://www.quikmaneuvers.com is bringing out two highly researched books about German POWs held by the USSR in January 2010. The two books were heavily contributed to by surviving German , former POWs.

    In the meantime visit http://www.quikmaneuvers.com. It is the only US publisher extant, brave enough to expose Soviet atrocities Americans have never heard of. Foir example, the Soviets left their own dead, by the millions, on WW2 battlefields within the USSR until 1991. Reports by people who visted such battlefields and viewed mile upon mile of Soviet skeletons, were later suppressed by the Marxist European Union. However, they did not stop quikmaneuvers. In the early 1990s the reds began to buildoze those boneyards to literally cover up their crimes against humanity. At the same time they sponsored several diversionary ops including: (1) recruiting certain US Marxist professors at several US universities to write "histories" denying the crime. (2) Suppressing European citizens who had photos of the bone fields as "nazis." (3) Forming a number of Soviet youth groups that pretended to search for the "alleged boneyards and never found them."

    • 13.1
      Ulrike says:

      Dear Kurt, I cannot find the Books by Daphne Gilbertson you named. Do you know the titles? I would be really interested because my father had been POW in USSR. Thank you very much, Ulrike

  14. 14
    Dennis L says:

    It is my firm belief that we should have rearmed the German Army at the end of the war and finished what the Germans started in Russia. The USSR was the biggest joke of the 20th century. If it wasn't for them and their BULL–IT humanity would have advanced beyond our wildest dreams. The Cold War was something that should NEVER have happened. I wish I could go back in time and put a bullet in Stalin's head while he was sleeping in his cradle. What a F–KING ASS–LE.

  15. 15
    Dennis L says:

    And as far as the Japanese go, at the end of the war we should have found out the names of EVERY SINGLE Japanese soldier who had anything to do with guarding our POWS, and they should have been hunted down and shot or thrown into the same environment that they meted out to our helpless, unarmed and wounded soldiers that they had captured. The JAPS speak about following their code of Bushido, or what ever they called that nonsence. (There is nothing heroic or honorable about MURDERING helpless unarmed people) Oh and (Those Kamakazi's, PU**IES, one and all, I think if they would have come out and at least tried to shoot it out with us and then returned to base to get more gas and bullets, THEN AND ONLY THEN could I say they were heroic) "But they were just very gullible" "it's what we in the United States call SUCKERS" (not unlike the cowardly Muslim terrorists that we have to suffer through their COWARDLY ANTICS nowadays, And as far as COWARDS GO these Muslim terrorists are the biggest COWARDS THAT MANKIND HAS EVER SEEN) it just shows how INHUMAN that the Japanese soldiers were. Like take what they did to the Chinese civilians in Nanking. And as for not taking Emperor Hirihito out into public and shooting him in front of his people was a big mistake. (As the Japs teach their school kids "to this day" that they didn't lose the war, I don't know what they are telling them BUT I have read that they don't tell them that they lost). I guess we can blame that one on that "COWARD MacArthur". (Good Old Dugout Doug). And what about the Italians? That is something that puzzles me quite a bit. Now if the German People would have killed Hitler and said "We are on your side now" would we have been so forgiving as we were to the Italians. I watch the History Channel and I am really into 20th century history and if you ever notice you will NEVER see anything about how the Italians killed alot of our people. Its kind of like they weren't responsible for any of what happened. It's like they're so adorable with their little accents and their pizza and spaghetti that they could do no harm. It's like Uncle Tony got drunk and made an ass out of himself at Christmas and everyone just says "Awe" "Thats A Tony"! My Grandfather was killed at Anzio by those little Bastards! And I wonder if the German People have ever thanked their lucky stars, (The ones who were under our control at the end of the war) That the American People are so kind Hearted. I visited Germany about 15 years ago and I got the feeling that I wasn't welcome, I guess I can understand that to"SOME" extent BUT, I can't understand the fact that I was treated even worse when I was in France, ( I felt like they were spitting on my food, LOL..) They treated me like the Proverbial, Red Headed Stepchild. All in All I am happy that we tried to befriend the German People at the end of the war because I have German ancestry. It's just too bad that there are EVIL people in our world (Hitler) that have been blessed with a golden tongue that are out there to decieve us when we are at our most vulnerable times. You know? If Hitler wouldn't have turned out to be such a PSYCHOPATH he would have probably have gone down in history as one of the Greatest men that has ever lived? (The Germans have contributed to civilization more than is commonly known) (Almost as much as the IRISH)Sorry if I have offended anyone but this is how I see it… "Deutschland fur immer und Erin Go Bragh" xD /:=)

    • 15.1
      jb says:

      Dont forget about all the German propaganda that helped the war machine. Even if Hitler never went nuts, there was still other ways to better Germany than attacking the neighboring countries.

    • 15.2
      monicka says:

      My mother was born in Nazi Germany. I had a uncle in the SS and a Uncle in a concentration camps because he was considered a political prisoner.My father was an American solider that served in Germany. He met my mother there.

      I have researched WWII for years for a book I am writening.

      So it makes me upset when I hear so much misinformation. Such as how kind the U.S was to German POWs. Better check historical facts on that one.

      And those of you that think dropping the two bombs on Japan was a good thing should also look into history.

      My degree is in Sociolgy I am currently working on my masters

      • 15.2.1
        TDelaney says:

        "Good" is relative. Had we not dropped the atomic bomb on Japan then the US could have seen up to 1 million casualties in an invasion of Japan (that was already scheduled for later in 1945)- not to mention Japanese casualties up into the 10's of millions (see the facts on their28 million person "civilian defense" army trained to fight to the death). The bomb, however politically incorrect it may seem to you through 2011 eyes, was the best weapon to end the war and prevent more loss of life against a foe controlled by military leaders determined to fight to the death- no matter the military and civilian casualties. What would you tell the American mother of a son who had landed at normandy, survived through VE day, only to be gunned down on the beaches of Honshu- only to find out later we had a weapon that could have prevented it. Perhaps you should also "look into history" while working on your masters instead of listening to professors who look at history through a lens clouded by cultural relativism 60 years after the fact.

      • 15.2.2
        Andrew Dufresne says:

        Unfortunately you are correct about their treatment.

        The entire thing sickens and angers me. As do the silly masses, still to this day reciting anti-German war time propaganda as fact over 65 years later when so much of the accusations against them have proven entirely baseless and much of it impossible to have even happened.

        Nobody learned a damned thing, but everybody sure thinks they have. It will most likely prove disastrous for the public at large not to have dug a bit deeper to check on their so called leadership, press and "historians".

        Also, from the public records it appears Japan had tried to surrender numerous times before hand. I guess they werent good enough tries?

        Well, especially for you, at least your Mother met your Father! Its a crazy world isnt it…

  16. 16
    Red Sonja says:

    So glad I found this site. I have been very interested in what happened to the German POW's. I've been reading about Rommel and WWI & II, and now have a new perspective that history. Someone's always looking into the missing soldiers of this country or that. We (the U.S.) take this very seriously. It's time the world looked into Germany's missing soldiers. Since it happened twice in the same century, this was a great loss for Germany. A book on these POW's would be terribly interesting. Thanks for your informative site.

  17. 17
    Old MSgt says:

    The sympathy for Nazi PWs is interesting.
    Too bad those who feel for them didn't get to experience what those fellows were so eagerly fighting to impose.

    • 17.1
      gary d. snyder says:

      aye aye master sargeant

    • 17.2
      monicka says:

      My uncle was arrested and sent to Auschwitz 111 as a political prisoner from there he was sent to Buchenwald.

      After the war in 1947 he was arrested again and charged with war crimes because he was a Kapo. Which means he was forced to be a participant in the mistreatment of other prisoners.There were also Jewish Kapos in the camps.that were later sentenced with war crimes.
      They were not given a option if they refused to be Kapos they were excuted.

      My uncle spent 13 years in a Russian Gulag for something that he was forced to do.

      When he was finally released he weighed 100 pounds and died a few months later.

      This man spent a large part of his life in concentration camps his orginal crime was oppossing Hilter.

    • 17.3
      Margit says:

      Keep in mind not every german, including soldiers were Nazis, for example: "Volkssturm" at the end 13 year old boys had to join the fight.
      They had no choice, if not they where hung on the next tree as exsample to the others.They too wre in uniform and ended up as POW.Exspecialy the Red Army didn't care about their age.

  18. 18
    Chris says:

    My grandfather was a courier for the German air force who was captured by the Russians and spent 3 years as a prisioner in a Russian coal mine at the town of Makeevka, near Stalino. He wrote a piece for the Georgia Atlanta Journal and Constitution Magazine in 1954 about his experiences there. He and his family escaped to the US in 1953. My grandfather may have served with the German army (though I figure quite reluctantly) but his heart was always filled with American values and ideas. He hated Germany with such a passion that years later when my grandmother had an opportunity to visit there and see some family, he was quoted as saying "I will never go back there!" He passed away back in the '80s but I have the article he wrote and several paintings and drawing and photos that he took during the war. I guess I share this to say that not all German soldiers were fighting for the support of Germany but were forced to serve.

  19. 19
    Chris says:

    http://history.coxfamilyusa.com/Welcome.html – tells the story of my grandfather.

  20. 20
    KAW says:

    Chris, thanks for the link to the web site with your grandfather's story. Much appreciated that your family made the effort to tell his story, and to have those memories now available to the world…

  21. 21
    Rudi says:

    Seems to me that there are many sides to any story, especially anything concerning European history. My Father was 16 when he was sent to France as a German soldier in the horse artillery. A year later in 1944 he was a POW and sent to Colorado. He said bombers flattened his unit of 1000 men until there were only 6 left. After the war, where was he to go? His birth town of Lwówek in Silesia was cleared of all Germans and East Germany was no fun in 1948. So he stayed in England where he met my Mom and married in 1964.

  22. 22
    Adam says:

    The truth will never die!!

    The entire faith of German prisoners still covered with great confidentiality from both British, Russian Authority!!

    It might be 50 years from now where people will find documents that tell the truth about the number of died from German sides in concentration camps of postwar

    Adam

  23. 23
    Rudi Zimny says:

    The problem is people don't care anymore. Unless you have a personal connection to a POW or MIA WW2 is ancient history. What a pity!

  24. 24
    Mike says:

    My mother was a 15 year old girl when the Russians came through in what is now Poland. She lived near Glogau, where the Oder/Neisse Rivers meet. She was in a basement with my grandmother and another German woman. The Russians came into the basement and threatened them. However, my Grandmother covered my Mom's face in dirt and made both them look very pitiful. Plus, my grandmother could speak Polish. The Russians thought they were Polish and let them leave. Not so for the German woman who could not speak Polish. My mom did not elaborate what happened to her, but I assume from the talk the German woman was raped and killed. I remember as a little boy how the Germans hated the Russians and thought them little better than pigs. History has shown that there is no love lost between the two nations. Hopefully, the bitter war of the early 1940's has made a lasting imprint on the Europeans such that there were never be another one on the continent.

  25. 25
    Rainer says:

    Meine Mutter hörte immer im Radio, in den 40er oder 50er Jahren die Suchmeldungen über vermisste Deutsche Soldaten. Wo finde ich einen Hinweis dazu, auf diese Radio- oder TV-Meldungen? Die Suchmeldungen wurden ununterbrochen herunter gelesen, ich glaube sogar 24 Stunden, monatelang. Damals war ich kaum 10 Jahre alt. Wer kann mir näheres darüber Mitteilen?

    Approximate translation by Yahoo! Babel Fish
    My mother always heard in the radio, in or the 50's 40's the search messages over missed German soldiers. Where do I find a reference to it, on these radio or TV-messages? The search messages were read continuously down, I believed even 24 hours, for months. At that time I was hardly 10 years old. Who knows me closer over it communicating?

    • 25.1
      monicka says:

      I do not have information on the radio that your looking for but I am doing research on German POW is there any information that you have on your father?

      I will post any addresses that I find that might help you.

      Monicka

      • 25.1.1
        Margit says:

        Hi Monicka,
        I am german now living in the US, both sides of my family have suffered beyond amagination.
        My Grandfather on my fathers side never returned from the war in Russia, last comunication was from Jan 1945 from east Prussia. No idea what happened to him.
        My Grandfather on my mothers side was born in Bessarabien, under "Heim ins Reich" they were in a camp in Bayern from there they were send and assignet a farm im Warthegau/ Poland.
        He was drafted maybe around '43 and ended up a POW in a camp called Van Dorn Miss.
        I have 2 postcards that he wrote from there home dated June 1944 and Dec.1945. I can not find a POW camp by that name just a museum about a military facility that was closed after the war. Do you have any information????
        My mother,( at the time 7 or 8 years old) and the rest of the family endet up, like so many, on a treck in Feb. 1945 "running" from the Red Army.

    • 25.2
      Margit says:

      Hallo Rainer,

      I lese gerade ein Buch eines deutschen maedchens,leider auf englisch,aber in dem Buch spricht sie ueber diese Radio-Sendungen. Du muestest dich warscheinlich beim Deutschen Roten Kreuz erkundigen.

      Margit

      • 25.2.1
        Bob Farrow says:

        Hi Margit,
        Read with interest your family history. Like your Grandfather my Mother came from Besserabia. She described the nightmare of fleeing before the Red Army as they stormed through Poland and into Germany. (unfortunately probably pretty much like Hitler's Army had done a few years prior)
        She described the sheer nightmare of being in columns of horse drawn wagons full of civilians being machine gunned day and night by Russian planes.
        My Unlce was captured by the Russians in Courland and was in the Gulag until 1953. He was a living skeleton when he returned. He never said a bad word about Russians only about their Godless leaders who cared no more or less for one of their own Russians than a German. The Russian people were mere pawns to be used.
        One cannot imagine how heartless Stalin and his ilk were.

  26. 26
    monicka says:

    Rainer

    Wenn Sie irgenduwelche information auflhren Vater Kann dannvicllcicht ichhelfen

    Wahrend ich bin auf der Suche nach meiner Familie. Wenne ich alle infor. on ihren Vater zu finden, werde ich Sie wissen lassen.

    Monicka

  27. 27
    Rainer says:

    Gibt es auch Artikel in Deutscher Sprache?

  28. 28
    Rainer says:

    Der Erste Ehemann meiner Mutter hiess damals LUES, und er sei 1939 in Russland gefallen. Aber laut allen Dokumentationen brach der Krieg mit Russland erst 1941 aus. Womöglich ist da das "The Bloodsland" gemeint? Ich besitze keine näheren Angaben.

    APPROXIMATE TRANSLATION BY YAHOO! BABELFISH:
    The first husband of my mother was called at that time LUES, and he was 1939 in Russia pleases. But according to all documentations the war with Russia broke only 1941 off. Possibly is there " The Bloodsland" meant? I do not possess closer data.

    • 28.1
      Margit says:

      Hallo Rainer,

      Was fuer Brief-dokumente hast du, kanst du sie hier ins forum stellen?

      Es ist schon komisch das der erste Mann deiner Mutter in Russland gefallen sein soll.Man wuerde annehmen das es in Polen war um 1939.

      Ausserdem erscheint mir die Summe von 20 tausend Reichs Mark sehr hoch ald Lebensversicherung. Das war damals eine menge Geld.

      • 28.1.1
        Rainer says:

        Durch meine sehr grosse Recherche fand ich den Namen Lues und die Adresse (von damals), gleichzeitig auch die Namen der Trauzeugen. Die Trauung fand am 27.03.1940, in Hamburg. Der Standesbeamte sprach im Namen des Reiches aus, dass sie nunmehr rechtsmässig verbundene Eheleute seien (laut Dokumentsurkunde).
        Auf die Angaben der Verwandtschaft ist nicht immer ein Verlass. Wie ich zu dieser Adresse kam, ist schon eine Geschichte für sich, inklusive Telefongespräch nach Deutschland. Jetzt weiss ich auch, dass ich eine unbekannte Stiefschwester mit dem Namen Elisabeth Mechtild, welche 1940 auf die Welt kam.
        Lues fiel am 26.10.1943 an der Ostfront. Hier muss ich noch weiter Abklärungen suchen.

        By my very large search, I found the name Lues and the address (of the time), at the same time also the names of the witnesses to the marriage. The ceremony was held at the 27.03.1940 in Hamburg. The Registrar spoke in the name of the Empire, that they are now legally joined couples (according to document document).
        On the details of the relationship is not always a reliable. How I came to this address, is already a history of its own, including phone call to Germany. Now, I also know that I got a unknown stepsister named Elisabeth Mechtild, which 1940 on the world.
        Lues fell to the 26.10.1943 on the eastern front. Here, I must search further clarifications.

  29. 29
    Monicka says:

    Rainer
    Ich kann lesen ein wenig Deutsch spreche ich mehr war Ihr Vater lebt in Russland? Sind Sie Jude, was Sie van Blood Land
    Monicka

    • 29.1
      Rainer says:

      womöglich war Lues aus einer jüdischen Familie, ist mir nicht bekannt.

      - Diese Frage stellten die Nazis meinen Eltern, bevor ich in einer "Kinderfachabteilung" in Lüneburg zur Welt kam. Mein Vater kommt aus einem Familiengeschlecht, welches seit 1329 urkundlich belegt ist. Die damaligen Familienmitglieder waren Söldner, in ganz Europa, weshalb auch nicht im Deutschen Reich?

      • 29.1.1
        Monicka says:

        Rainer

        Leid dass ich nicht nicht habe, zuruck war sie fruher ich uber das Wochenende. Ich verstehe nicht was Kinderfachabteiung bedeutet. Und ich noch zunachst Ihre Vater und namen und alle anderen informationen die sie remeber konnen

        Wie war Ihr Wochenende?

        Monicka

      • 29.1.2
        Rainer says:

        Hallo Monicka

        1.) Meine Mutter war zweimal verheiratet. Der erste Ehemann hiess Lues, und fiel, laut verschiedene Briefdokumentatioen bereits 1939 in Russland. Die deutsche Wehrmacht bezahlt an meine Mutter 20tausend Reichsmark aus.

        2.) Diese Aussage stimmt nur teilweise. Offiziell fing der Krieg mit Russland erst 1941 an, aber über die Scharmützel im Osten schrieb niemand etwas, ausser im Buch "The Bloodsland".

        3.) Womöglich war er im Bloodsland, welche von der Ukraîne bis Littau reichte mit Scharmützel, mit den deutschen Soldaten verwickelt war? In diesem Gebiet liegt ja auch das Warschauer Ghetto, usw. The Bloodsland ist ein neues Buch, und zeigt die Greuel der Nazi im Osten auf.

        4.) Der zweite Ehemann, mein Vater, musste 1943 den Deutschen beweisen, dass die Familie nie jüdisch war und auch keinen Jude in der Familie vorhanden waren, womöglich konnte dieses in der Heimatgemeinde überprüft werden, ein Dokument liegt vor.

        5.) Die Kindstötungen von Kinder mit Geburtsbrechen wurde von den Nazis, als Kinderfachabteilungen getarnt. Die Verbrennungsanlagen brannten auch Tag und Nacht.
        Dazu gibt es Artikel in Google http://www.kindstoetungen.de, sicher auch in englischer Sprache

        YAHOO! BABEL FISH TRANSLATION:
        Hello Monicka 1.) My mother was twice married. The first husband was called Lues, and fell, according to different Briefdokumentatioen already 1939 in Russia. The German armed forces pays to my mother 20tausend realm Mark out. 2.) This statement is only partly correct. Officially the war with Russia began only 1941, but over the skirmishes in the east nobody wrote somewhat, except in the book " The Bloodsland". 3.) Possibly was it in the Bloodsland, which was enough of the Ukraîne to Littau with skirmish, was complicated with which German soldiers? In this area Warsaw ghettos, etc. The Bloodsland lies is also a new book, and points out the atrocities the Nazi in the east. 4.) The second husband, my father, had to prove to 1943 the German that the family never was Jewish and was present also no Jew in the family, possibly could this in the homeland municipality be examined, a document is present. 5.) The child killings of children with birth breaking of the Nazis, as child specialized divisions one camouflaged. The combustion plants burned also day and night. In addition there are article in googles http://www.kindstoetungen.de, probably also in English language

      • 29.1.3
        Rainer says:

        Korrektur:
        Mit Kindstötungen meinte ich, die "Kinderfachabteilungen" der SS. Tarnbezeichnung im Zweiten Weltkrieg wurden als Tötungsstätten für geistig und körperlich behinderte Kinder eingerichtet. Wurde vor allem durch die "Kanzlei des Führers der NSDAP" und dem sogenannten "Reichsausschuss zur wissenschaftlichen Erfassung von erb- und anlagebedingten Leiden" durchgeführt. Siehe unter http://www.pk.lueneburg.de/gedenkstaette.

        YAHOO! BABEL FISH TRANSLATION:
        Correction: With child killings meant I, which " Kinderfachabteilungen" the SS. Tarnbezeichnung in the Second World War as killing places for mental and physically obstructed children were furnished. Particularly by one " Chancellery of the leader of the NSDAP" and the so-called " Realm committee for the scientific collection of and plant-caused Leiden" inherit; accomplished. See under http://www.pk.lueneburg.de/gedenkstaette.

      • 29.1.4
        Monicka says:

        Heute ist unser Vereran tag.It ist auch die 11-11-11 tag. Ich dachte, die Verfolgung der Blutlinie, die 1300. Fuhrt mich zu glauben, dass Sie vielleicht an der Allgemain SS aussehen.
        Auch die Waffen SS die Allgemain spater. Ich habe informationen an den Deutschen Archiven sowie di Amerikanische gefunden.
        Hier sind ein par Titels, die exzellente Ressourcen in Verstandnis mehr Aspekte sind. Ich Habe Klassen auf WW11 genommen und letures zu diesem Thema.
        Doch weib ich weig. Hitler: Eine Studie in tyrancy von Alan Bullack Panzer Leader: Durch Hienz Genral Guderion.
        Ich habe viele Bucher mehr,wenn interessiert sind.

  30. 30
    Monicka says:

    Margit
    The camp your looking for is in the US it is in Missippi it was used as a German POW camp in 1942. What you want to do is go to POW camps in the US Theres one that is Gen Tracer Professional Researchers Tracing Your Geneology.
    Also the International Tracing Services and the Red Cross
    email me if you have any problems okay
    monicka

    • 30.1
      Margit says:

      Thanks for getting back to me.
      I tryed the all kind of internet searches and found the one you are talking about.But they too have no info just refered me to the link to the museum of Van Dorn the military instalation.Some other links just took me to empty pages.The best lead I got so far is from a soldier who remembers german POW's at Van Dorn Camp during his training.

      Margit

      • 30.1.1
        Monicka says:

        Hello Margit

        If you would give me the first and last name of the person your looking for I would be able to help you alot more. I do not mind doing this for you, it makes me feel like I am doing something from my heart. It takes alot of time to do the research. I have found this out with doing my own,in my case I have found records and bits and pieces of information. Whats is odd is that some of the information has been in Italian. If anyone knows why there would be information on my uncle that was in the SS in Italian I would like to know.
        Anyways, just give the names of people and as much information as you have about them down to the slightes detail and I will see what I can do.

        Monica

    • 30.2
      Margit says:

      Somehow I can't reply to you last post.

      MyGrandfathers name was Wilhelm Radke, born May 1916 in New Elft,Bessarabia,he and his family spend a few years, maybe 2, in a "Umsiedler" camp in Bavaria,from there they went to Dorf Goschensa,Gemeinde Grabenteich.Kreis Lentschuetz/Warthegau Polend.
      Which is the adresse he used to mail the postcards I have.One is dated 3. June 44 and the other is from 12.Dezember 45.Both from POW camp Van Dorn.
      The postcards are addressed to his mothe Ottillie Radke, I don't know what happened to postcards to his wife Alma Radke,maidenmane Siewert.

      My other grandfathers who is MIA in East Prussia, and eventualy had to be declaired dead is Gustav Lorenz born 4 Jan 1902.From papers from the german archieve in Berlin we know some of his military history even so they don't have a date when he entered the service.I have a Photo of him as a cadet with horse dated March 1928 and his Wedding piture, he is in uniform, is from Sep. 1931.

      Thank for your help.

      Margit

    • 30.3
      Marta says:

      Hi Monicka,
      My Father (who has passed away) knew very little about my the details of my Opa's imprisonment by the Russians following WWII. I know that he was gone for 5 years and I have documentation that suggests he was in a place called Kraljevo. I teach German History and lately I really want to know more about what happened to him. Isn't part of the problem the fact that so few Germans spoke to their children about their Nazi past after the war? My Father said he never gave details about what happened to him. Seeing this discussion has given me hope that maybe I can learn more after all these years. Would you say that the Red Cross is the best place to start my search?
      Marta

      • 30.3.1
        Margit says:

        Hi Marta,

        The Red Cross is a good start but if they don't give you the info you are looking for you can request his Military records from the Archieve in Berlin.

        I am not sure why you are calling it a problem that so many germans did not speak about there exsperiences,or Nazi past as you call it after all most of the german had a horrible story to tell.
        I think germs had a hard time talking about the things that hapened since so many believed, if you lost the war and were german you had everything coming to you.
        Besides that generation was not one to comunicate.
        Even though my mother is still alive and was on a treck as child when the russians went in to poland she does not speak of the horrors. Only when asked specific questions but even then she has a hard time to bring herself to remember it.She says she does not want to remember.
        My Father was arested after the war, in1951 I believe and a russian trybuneral sentenced him to 15 years in prisson( in Bautzen,east germany)
        He was released after 6 years since he would not conform to there idiolagy.
        He never spoke to my mothr about it and she never asked.
        I overheared him talking to my great Uncle who too spend 10 year in Bautzen and found out it was pretty much like the conzentration camps, just different uniforms.

        Margit

  31. 31
    Monicka says:

    At the beginning of this forum it is stated that Hitler did not want his enemies to find anything left of Germany.
    My mother was there at the time and told me that this also meant that he did not want any of the German people left alive. He felt that if the war was lost then the German people where not worthy of being called Germans.
    Hitler had order train loads of leathal gas that was to be used to gas all of Germany. My mother said that they heard on the radio Hitler saying that when the enemies came they would find a sleeping Germany.
    I have heard on documentaries this same story. With more detail, on the documentaries I heard that if it had not been for soldiers not disobeying Hitlers direct orders in the very end times. Germany would "have been sleeping" as Hitler had wanted.
    Has anyone elase heard of this last order that Hitler had given?

    Monicka

    • 31.1
      Monicka says:

      Hello Rainer

      Ich mochte die web-site zu uberprufen de Sie mich gesendet. Ich weib uber die Auswah Programme eingetreten. Ich Kenne auch Ablaufuerfolgung Familie Blutinien zu der Resonanz mein Onkel war 17 wenn trat er SS, er war ein Allgemaine. Familie German till 1300's

      Ich habben eine sehr gute adresse fur Sie die Forschung for Sie uber Ihren Vater Familienangehorigen Konnen nur diese forschungtun. Die adresses ist ineternational Tracing Service Bad Arolsen

      Ich bin wartend fur sie senden Sie mir information uber mien Familie. Es Dauert ungefahr 6Wochen

      Monicka

      • 31.1.1
        Rainer says:

        Monicka

        Für die Web-Adresse danke ich. Es ist schwierig, über den Suchdienst des IKRK – Tracing Service Bad Arolsen, etwas zu finden. Trotzdem werde ich weiter versuchen. Danke für Ihren Hinweis.

        2013 möchte ich mein Buch veröffentlichen, und bin immer noch auf der Suche, was damals wirklich geschah? Aus diesem Grunde kann ich nicht alle Daten heraus geben, was ich bisher heraus fand.
        Noch etwas, meine Mutter war 1943 Schwanger mit mir, als über Hamburg der Feuersturm tobte. Wir kamen davon.

        Im Moment besitze ich 2'500 verschiedene Recherchen. Und jeden Tag kommen neue Recherchen hinzu.Aber die Zeit wird knapp.

  32. 32
    Monicka says:

    Rainer

    Ich verstehe Ihre situation jetzt besser. Ich habe im Radio ubertragen, die Sie fragen gefunden,die Sie fragen gefunden. Sie sind an der Amerikanischen National Archives. Es gibt eine Vielzahl von infromationen gibt. Was suchen Sie? Haben Ihre qestions sogar Antworten? Wenn Wahrheiten wurden verzerrt und Fakten begraben. Konnen wir wirklich wissen was passiert ist . Ich Mochte Mine familie schreiben.

    Geschichte.In meiner Forschung habe ich herausgefunden, dass die Saat des Hasses in biblischen Zeiten gepflanzt worden war. Von dort sind es wuchs zu einem roten blume. Das war in der Lage, alles was es in Beruhrung kam zu verun reinigen. was ist der name Ihres Buch ?

  33. 33
    Rainer says:

    Monika

    In der Bibel steht folgendes: (Johannes 5,24, Römer 8,1). Keine Macht und kein Umstand der Welt kann Sie mehr aus dem Reich Gottes reissen (Römer 8,30-38). Die Kraft des Bösen hat hier keinen Zugriff (Johannes 10,28).

    Meine Frage: Wann wurden 24 Stunden lang, vermisste Soldaten gesucht?

    Du meinst, bleiben wir beim Du?

    20tausend Reichsmark war viel Geld, soviel erhielt sicher kein Soldat von der Wehrmacht. Da musste schon ein anderer militärischer Rang vorhanden gewesen sein, vielleicht einer von der SS?

    Lues war nicht Polen, laut den Briefen und Aussagen die ich erhielt. Womöglich, war es in einem anderen Land, werweiss?

    Danke für Dein Angebot für Bücher. Aber ich kann kein englisch lesend und sprechen.

  34. 34
    Margit says:

    Hallo Rainer,
    Ich bin mir nicht siecher ob du mich meinst mit dem "du"
    Ich lebe in USA und da es in der englischen Sprache kein "Sie" gibt wuerde ich standing hin und her wechseln.
    Also wenn es dir nichts ausmacht bleiben wir beim du.
    Die Radio Sendung war nicht nur fuer vermisste Soldaten, wenn ich es richtig verstehe, leider kann ich die Stelle im Buch nicht finden wo sie darueber schreibt.Ich werde weiter suchen.
    Es wurden auch private Leute vermisst.
    Das Buch ist von
    Gudrun (Koppe)Everett (2010-11-30). I Can't Forget: A Journey Through Nazi Germany and WWII
    Vielleicht ist es auch auf deutsch erhaeltlich.Uebersetzt waere der Titel
    Ich kann nicht vergessen: Eine Reise(Fahrt) durch Nazi Deutschland und dem 2tem. Weltkrieg

    • 34.1
      Rainer says:

      Danke Margit für Deine Bemühungen, ich werde versuchen, dass ich dieses Buch erhalte. Warst Du damals in Deutschland? Als ich das erstemal Deutschland besuchte, standen die Häuser des KZ Bergen-Belsen noch, beim zweiten Besuch waren die Häuser weg.

      Nur eine grüne Wiese sagt nichts über den tatsächlichen Terror aus. Meine Eltern, welche 1941 heirateten, wollten damals nicht, dass ich dieses Elend fotografieren wollte. Was auch verständlich war, aber wenn man jemanden etwas davon erzählt, glaubt es niemand, was auch wieder Traurigkeit hervorruft.

      Ich bin Schweizer, und seit 1968 verheiratet, in der Nähe von der Stadt Zürich.

      • 34.1.1
        Margit says:

        Hallo Rainer,
        Ich bin zwar deutsche aber wurde erst 1967 gebohren.
        Mein Interesse am zweiten Weltkrieg stammt daher das die Familien meiner Elter grosses Leid erfahren haben obwohl sie nicht Juedisch sind.
        Leider ist niemand mehr am leben bis auf meine Mutter die sich nicht erinnern kann oder will.
        Sie war als kleines Maedschen mit meiner Grossmutter und zwei juengeren Bruedern auf der Flucht vom Warthegau/Polen.
        Wer weiss was sie alles erlebt oder mit ansehen musste.Meine Grossmutter sprach sehr selten und nur wenn gefragt davon. Da die Familie meiner Mutter von Bessarabien stammt hatten sie keinen einfluss ueber was in Deutschland geschah.
        Als Jugentliche besichtigte ich einem Konzentrations Lager(leider weiss ich nicht mehr welches, es muss in Bayern gewesen sein) aber ich auch dachte das vieles nicht mehr da war, nur Ecksteine markten die Baracken. In 2008 war ich mit meinem Mann und unseren Soehnen in Sachsenhausen,dort stand auch nicht mehr viel allerding eine Baracke war noch da und mann konte sie besichtiegen.Da Sachsenhausen in der ehemaliegen DDR ist war ich ueberrascht "so viel" originales zu finden.
        Ich glaube wenn der Krieg Leute nicht direkt beruerht hat faellt es ihnen schwer es sich vorzustellen. Erst jetzt als Erwachsene und Mutter wird mir bewusst und beruert es mich anders und kann ich mir vorstellen was Menschen anderen Menschen angetan haben.
        Ich habe eine Dokumentation vor 2 Tagen im Fehrnsehen gesehen, darin sprach ein Proffessor darueber wie die Freizeit Filme des Wachtpersonal ihn Ueberraschten.Es waren keine Monster mit Hoernern sondern ganz normale Menschen.Sein Komentar war, whenn normale Menschen zu soviel Grausamkeit faehig dind dann kann jeder dazu faehig sein.
        Mann kann nur hoffen das die Geschichte erhalten bleibt als Warnung fuer kommende Generationen.

      • 34.1.2
        Rainer says:

        Heute erhielt ich einen neuen Hinweis von TK c/o VtH-Förderverein Geschichtsort Villa ten Hompel, Kaiser-Wilhelm-Ring 28, D-48145 Münster. Der Buchtitel lautet "Die unterbrochene Spur. Antifaschistische Emigration in der Schweiz von 1933 – 1945, Zürich 1983". Dieses Buch schrieb Jürg Frischknecht, Kanuer, Mathias; Ich werde schauen, ob ich dieses Buch erhalte und lesen. Womöglich hiflt es weiter, wenn ich weiss was im Buch steht?

  35. 35
    Margit says:

    Hallo Rainer,
    Ich habe die Stelle ihm Buch gefunden.Ich werde versuchen es zu uebersetzen.(Leider schreibt sie kein genauses Jath.)

    Die massen Vertreibung der deutschen von Ost-Deutschland am Ende des Krieges hat zu einer unmessbaren Tragoedige gefuert die Generation erfasst hat. Millionen von Familien waren getrennt.
    In dem Versuch sie wieder zu vereinigen hatte das Rote Kreuz fuer Jahre Taeglich, Stundenland such Programme im Radio, welche fuehrten auf die letzt bekannten Orte der vermissten Personen, familien Angehoerige, vermisste deutsche Soldaten, Kriegsgefangenen Lager, und sogar einige Sibirischen Zwangs-Arbeits Lager.

    [The mass expulsions of Germans from Eastern Europe at the end of the war led to an immeasurable tragedy affecting generations. Millions of families were separated. For years, in an attempt to reunite them, the Red Cross aired hours of daily search programs on the radio, which cited last known places of the missing persons, family members, missing German soldiers, POW camps, as well as the numerous Siberian forced labor camps.]

    • 35.1
      Rainer says:

      Hallo Margit
      Danke für Deine Ausführung. So kann ich an meinem Buch der Lebensgeschichte weiter arbeiten.

      Zur Zeit strahlt das Deutsche Fernsehen ZDF wöchentlich die Sendung ZDF-History – Geheimnisse des "Dritten Reichs" aus. Dabei war ich erstaunt, über die Unterschriften der SS (Heinrich Himmler), als ich diese Unterschriften schon sah, dachte ich da kann niemand seine Unterschrift schreiben. Aus Spass sagt man auch manchmal ich schreibe ein Mal dahin. Was aber im Deutschen Reich Tatsache war. Hätte ich als Kinderzeichnung abgetan. Diese Sendung strahlt das ZDF am Dienstag um 23:30 Uhr aus, auch am Sonntag. Sehr Intressant und Sehenswert für die Geschichte des Nazi-Deutschland. Am 06.11.2011 um 00:00 Uhr sah man den History-Film "Roms-Rache – die Schlacht im Harz". Am 13.11.2011 folgte der Film "Hitler und das Geld", Weitere Filme folgen: im ORF 2 strahlte am 09.11.2011 um 20:15 Uhr "Die Welle", was leider jederzeit wieder geschehen kann, je länger die Eurokrise anhält.
      Danke für Deine Informationen

  36. 36
    Margit says:

    Hallo Rainer,
    Entschuldige bitte das ich mich jetzt erst melde.
    Leider kann ich keine deutschen sendungen sehen, aber es waehre interesant zu wissen ob es die Sendungen auch auf DVD gibt?
    Falls wir nicht voneinander "hoeren" wuensche ich dir jetzt schon mal Frohe Weihnachten.

    PS:Hast du schon einen Titel fuer dein Buch?

    • 36.1
      Rainer says:

      Hallo Margrit
      Ja, es gibt für jede Ausstrahlung DVDs. Am Besten du schaust auf der Internetseite "ZDF History".

      Der provisorische Titel meines Buches lautet, sofern der Lektor damit einverstanden ist?
      ______________________________________________________

      Die WAHRHEITSSUCHE..,
      womöglich waren meine Eltern Nazis?..
      Die Recherche Nr. 2'439 gibt eine Antwort…
      ______________________________________________________

      Es bleibt spannend, es ist aber sehr Mühsam an Dokumente zu kommen. Und wie ich im TV History hörte, vernichtete die Deutsche Regierung 2007 tausende von Akten aus dem Zweiten Weltkrieg. Somit wird die Wahrheitssuche immer Schwieriger.

      Die heutige Zeit erinnert mich an Polen 1941, damals sagte man, das alles Gut werde, und kurze Zeit später brach der 2.Weltkrieg aus. Heute wird auch wieder gedroht, dass ja alle Länder die Schulden bezahlen, so WIE ICH es will…. Die Wirtschaftskrise in den 20er Jahren, ist beinahe mit der Eurokrise vergleichbar, Die Arbeitnehmer verlieren ihre Arbeitsstelle…. Und die braune Brut kommt wieder zum Vorschein, weil sie genügend Nahrung findet!

  37. 37
    Rainer says:

    Margit + Monicka

    Für die vielen Antworten danke ich Euch.
    In der Wahrheitsfindung kam ich etwas weiter, obwohl immer noch Fragen offen sind.

    Ich wünsche Euch Beiden ein Gesegnetes Weihnachtsfest sowie ein Gesegnetes Neues Jahr!

    Rainer

    • 37.1
      Margit says:

      Hallo Rainer,
      dir auch ein gesegnetes Weihnachtsfest, wenn auch etwas verspaetet.
      Ein gesegnetes neues Jahr und viel Erfolg mit deinem Buch und ich hoffe du findest trotz allem noch mehr information.

      Margit

  38. 38
    BIANCA says:

    My father was a german soldier in WW2 on the Eastern Front and was taken by the Russians as a prisoner of war in 1943. Many of his fellow soldiers died but he was one of the lucky ones. He resorted to fighting for his life, eg.: by eating weeds that were edible as was tought him by his father who was a market gardener. He was 18. He was moved around several prison camps and ended up working in coal mines. He was actually paid for this but had to pay for his 'accomodation' and 'food'. He has many stories to tell and I think I would like to write his story.

    • 38.1
      Rainer says:

      Liebe Bianca für Dein E-mail danke ich dir.

      Ich SUCHE EINE VERBINDUNG zwischen meinem Vater FRISCHKNECHT Willi und den Nazis. Vater kam 1913 in Eutin Norddeutschland auf die Welt. Meine Mutter WIEMERS Anna-Christine, verwitwet LUES, wurde 1913 in Scherfede in Westfalen Deutschland geboren.

      Zur Zeit lese ich das Buch "Die unterbrochene Spur" von Mathias Knauer und Jürg Frischknecht (nicht Verwandt). Dieses Buch erschien im Limmat Verlag Genossenschaft Zürich 1983. Mit dem Untertitel "Antifaschistische Emigration in der Schweiz von 1933 bis 1945. Über 200 Seiten mit vielen Dokumentationen und Fotos.

      Leider kann ich auf Deinen Text keine Mitteilung schreiben. Alles Gute im Neuen Jahr 2012!

      APPROXIMATE TRANSLATION FROM YAHOO! BABELFISH:
      Dear Bianca for your email I thank you. I SEARCH a CONNECTION between my father FRESH FARMHAND Willi and the Nazi. Father came 1913 into Eutin Northern Germany into the world. My mother WIEMERS Anna Christine, verwitwet LUES, 1913 in Scherfede in Westphalia Germany was born. At present I read the book " The interrupted Spur" of Mathias Knauer and Jürg fresh farmhand (not relatives). This book appeared in the Limmat publishing house cooperative Zurich 1983. With the sub-title " Anti-fascist emigration in Switzerland from 1933 to 1945. Over 200 sides with many documentations and photos. Unfortunately I cannot write report on your text. All property in the new year 2012!

      • 38.1.1
        Rainer says:

        Heute hätte ich einige Fragen:

        1. Warum erhalte ich keine schriftliche Antworten auf meine zwei Briefe, welche ich per Post an das Wiener Wiesenthal Institut für Holocaust-Studien /VWI) nach Wien sandte?

        2.Was kostete 1941 eine Fahrstunde für LKW in Hamburg, konnte sich dieses ein Stallbursche damals leisten?

        3. War das GEMEINSCHAFTSWERK-VERSORGUNGSRING HAMBURG eine Tarnfirma?

        4. Gibt es Mitarbeiterlisten von Aufseher, welche im Dienste der SS standen und ander menschenunwürdige Taten ausführten, die in den KZ arbeiteten?

        5. In einem E-Mail erhielt ich eine Antwort, das mein Vater Mitglied bei den NSDAP war, ich soll mich in Freiburg in Breisgau melden.

        Auf alle Fragen erhielt ich bis heute keine Antwort.

        APPROXIMATE TRANSLATION FROM YAHOO! BABELFISH:
        In English

        Today would have I unite questions: 1. Why don't I receive written answers to my two letters, which I by post office to Viennese the Wiesenthal Institut for Holocaust studies /VWI) to Vienna sent? 2.Was cost a driving lesson for truck in Hamburg to 1941, could this at that time Stallbur afford? 3. Was JOINT WORK SUPPLY RING HAMBURG a cover firm? 4. Are there coworker lists of custodian, which stood in the service of the SS and implemented other acts beneath human dignity, which worked into the KZ? 5. In an email I received an answer, who was my father member with the NSDAP, I am in Freiburg in mash gau to announce itself. On all questions I received to today no answer.

  39. 39
    Garret Graf says:

    My great uncle (A Canadian citizen) was taken captive by the Soviets after WW2. He was sent to some prison camp in Siberia where he worked until the 1960's. Finally he was released and sent to Canada. My grandfather tried for years to get the Red Cross to help him out but they didn't do anything. My great uncle died a few years ago. He apparently went to Germany in the 1930's, as his family was from there. He was in the Hitler Youth and was quite the marksman but worked as an ambulance driver during the war. I often wonder if he really was an ambulance driver, or perhaps a sniper that killed a few Russians.

  40. 40
    Rainer says:

    Am 02.März 2012 übergab ich dem Schweizerischen Roten Kreuz, die Sieben vorhanden Dokumente, zu Gunsten des Internationalen Roten Kreuzes, Abteilung Suchdienst. Mit der Bitte nach der Grabstätte von Lues-Wiemers in der Ukraine, in Weissrussland, in Polen zu suchen. Da er womöglich mit der Wehrmacht 1939 in diesem Gebiet im Einsatz war und dort auch fiel?

    Approximate translation from Yahoo Babelfish:
    At the 02.März 2012 I handed to the Swiss red cross over, the seven available documents, to favour of the international red cross, department of search service. With the request after the burial place of Lues Wiemers in Ukraine, in Belarus, to search in Poland. Since it was possibly with the armed forces 1939 there in this area in use and also fell?

  41. 41
    Margit says:

    Hallo Rainer,
    Die deutsche Burokatie ist SEHR langsam.
    Meine Schwester hatte die Militaer Unterlagen meines Grosvaters in Berlin beantragt.
    Das ganze dauerte fast 2 Jahre bis sie entlich die Unterlagen erhielt.
    Das DRK war schneller hatte aber nichts zu berichten im Falle meines Opa's.
    Ich wuerde trotzdem mal nachfragen ob sie schon deine papere erhalten haben und das nichts verloren gegangen ist.
    Es muss doch eine Ansprech person geben die dir sagen kann wieweit sie in der Bearbeitung sind.

    Margit

    Approximate translation from Yahoo Babelfish
    The German Burokatie is VERY slow. My sister had requested the military documents of my majority father in Berlin. The whole took nearly 2 years to it entlich the documents received. The German Red Cross was faster had however nothing to report in case of my Opa' s. I will nevertheless times inquire whether it your papere to have received and the nothing was lost. It must give nevertheless a Ansprech person you to say can to what extent it in the treatment is.

    • 41.1
      Rainer says:

      Hallo Margit

      Danke für Deinen Hinweis. Das schweizerische RK hat Kontakt mit dem IKRK in Arolsen aufgenommen.

      Die Bundesarchive in Deutschland und in der Schweiz verweigern eine Einsicht in die Unterlagen des zweiten Weltkrieges, welche meinen Vater FRISCHKNECHT WILLI *1913 betreffen. Durch eine Nationale Gedenkstätte in Deutschland erfuhr ich, dass mein Vater Nazimitglied war — und ich soll in Berlin nachfragen — ja, schön, aber 80 Jahre Wartefrist ist auch für mich, viel zu lange. Eigentlich wissen die Gedenkstätten welche Personen für ihre KZ zuständig waren. Mein Vater war LKW-Fahrer bei dem GEMEINSCHAFTSWERK-VERSORGUNGSRING HAMBURG GmbH (Tarnfirma?). Diese Firma kennt niemand! Vater verliess 1944 Deutschland, und lebte immer mit einer grossen Angst? Als Kind bemerkt man die grosse Unsicherheit —- welches Erwachsene ausstrahlen. Besonders wenn sie womöglich etwas zu verbergen haben.

      Approximate translation from Yahoo Babelfish:
      Thanks for your reference. The Swiss RK took up contact with the IKRK to Arolsen. Federal archives in Germany and in Switzerland refuse an insight into the documents of the Second World War, which mean father FRESH FARMHAND WILLI *1913 concern. By a national memorial place in Germany I experienced that my father was Nazi member — and I was to inquire in Berlin —, beautifully, but 80 years waiting period is also for me, much to for a long time. Actually the memorial places know which persons were responsible for their KZ. My father was truck driver with the JOINT WORK SUPPLY RING HAMBURG GmbH (cover firm?). This company does not know anybody! Father left 1944 Germany, and always lived with a large fear? As a child one notices the large uncertainty — – which adult radiate. Particularly if they have to possibly hide something.

      • 41.1.1
        Margit says:

        Hallo Rainer,

        Musste nicht jeder zu Hitlers Zeiten "nazi" Mitglied sein?
        Wenn nicht war man ja verdaechtig.

        In welchem Jahr waehre die Wartefrist vorbei?

        Vielleicht hast du doch mehr Glueck mit dem Bundesarchiv in Berlin,fragen schadet ja nichts.

        Margit

      • 41.1.2
        Rainer says:

        Ja, aber Ausländer glaube ich kaum. — Vater hatte einen Schweizer-Pass, er war vom Stammbaum her, seit 1391 Schweizer, laut der Dokumentation "Wappenstudie des weitverzweigten Appenzellergeschlechts Frischknecht". Im Dokument von 1943 steht "Der Genannte (Vater), sowie seine Eltern und Grosseltern väterlicherseits haben nie einer jüdischen Religionsgemeinschaft angehört. Ich nehme an, NUR wenn er sich freiwillig meldetete, konnte er der NSDAP beitretten? Ausserdem war er LKW-Fahrer, mit Standort Hamburg.

      • 41.1.3
        Margit says:

        Hallo Rainer,

        Ich denke da er in Deutschland lebte und Arbeitete musste er beitreten oder womoeglich seine Arbeit verlieren oder zurueck in die Schweiz.

        Und das mit "jüdischen Religionsgemeinschaft " ist warscheinlich sowas wie der Arien Nachweiss, was jeder brauchte um einzutreten.
        Obwohl es merkwuerdich ist das mein einer Opa keinen Vater nachweisen konnte da keiner auf seiner Geburtsurkunde eingetragen ist.
        Aber er war Berufssoldat und war schon in der Armee als es noch das Preussischen Heer war.

        Margit

  42. 42
    Margit says:

    PS: Rainer, hast du es mal mit der deutschen Kriegsgraeber Fuehrsorge versucht? Die haben eine web Seite.

    http://www.volksbund.de/graebersuche.html

    Approximate translation from Yahoo Babelfish:
    did you try it times with the German war graves leading concern? Those have Web a side.

    • 42.1
      Rainer says:

      Antwort zu 41.1.3
      Ja, eigentlich hättest Du Recht, und ich könnte zur Tagesordnung gehen, — aber UNRECHT darf man nicht mit UNRECHT abtun. Ich bin immer noch der geleichen Meinung, wie vorher, mein Vater war ein Nazi im Dienste von Deutschland. Niemand kennt Vater so gut wie ich, und ich bleibe dabei, bis ich alles in Erfahrung gebracht habe, oder auch nicht.
      Mit über 3'500 Recherchen erfährt man einiges, so zum Beispiel ein Bericht vom Autor Solveig Grothe, dass die Schweizer doch nicht so harmlos waren, auch ohne Krieg. Aus urrechtheblichen Gründen darf ich keinen Text abschreiben, aber Nachzulesen unter "einestages.spiegel.de…." – Nazi-Arzt im falschen Grab! Ein Schweizer der als Arzt Spitzenmediziner bei Hitler war.

      Approximate translation from Yahoo Babelfish:
      Yes, actually you would be right, and I could go to INJUSTICE to the agenda, — however may one not with INJUSTICE dismiss. I am still gel-calibrate opinion, like before, my father was a Nazi in the service of Germany. Nobody knows father as well as I, and I remain thereby, until I got to know everything, or also not. Also over 3' 500 searches experiences one some, so for example a report of the author Solveig Grothe that Swiss were nevertheless not so harmless, also without war. For urrechtheblichen reasons I may not copy a text, but " to reread under; einestages.spiegel.de …. " – Nazi physician in the wrong grave! A Swiss as a physician of the point medical profession with Hitler was.

    • 42.2
      Rainer says:

      Antwort zum Punkt 41.1.3

      Am 11.08.11. erhielt ich folgende Antwort: Im Archiv Bergen-Belsen lassen sich keine Hinweise auf Wilhelm (Willi) …. ermitteln. Da der grösste Teil der Originaldokumente vor der Übergabe des Lagers an die Briten von der SS vernichet wurde, gibt es keine entsprechende Unterlagen über das Personal. Im Zuge verschiedener Forschungenen ist es uns im Laufe der Jahre gelungen, den grössten Teil dieser Namen zu ermitteln, doch diese Liste ist sicher nicht ganz vollständig. Es kann also nicht völlig ausgeschlossenen werden, dass Ihr Vater im KZ Bergen-Belsen tätig war, erscheint aber eher unwahrscheinlich…. (Was mich erleichtert)

      Approximate translation from Yahoo Babelfish
      Answer to the point 41.1.3 To 11.08.11 I received the following answer: In archives mountain Belsen do not leave themselves referring to Wilhelm (Willi) …. determine. Since the largest part of the original documents before the delivery of the camp to the British was vernichet of the SS, there are no appropriate documents over the personnel. In the course of different Forschungenen we succeeded in the course of the years determining the largest part of these names but this list is surely not completely complete. It can become thus not completely excluded that your father was active in the KZ mountain Belsen, appears however rather improbably …. (Which facilitates me)

  43. 43
    Bob Farrow says:

    Kind regards to all the people who have subscribed to this forum. It has been very interesting and informative. My Uncle as I stated in an earlier post was in the German Army and captured by the Russians. He was not released until 1953. A few years later he was charged in a German Court for a murdr that he was supposed to have committed in Siberia of a fellow German POW. He was aquited.
    I have tried to find any information on this on the Web but with my schlechtes Deustch I have found nothing.
    Can anybody tell me where such records would be held in Germany – records of such court cases.

    Thanks

    Bob

  44. 44
    Margit says:

    Hi Bob,
    You might need a little more info to find more on your uncle.
    Do you now where he was charged, east or west germany?
    East would be the Stasi west maybe the BfJ, both have websites but I don't think you will get anything via e-mail or website.
    You would probably have to request a paper copy.
    My sister got my grandfather miltitar records from the Bundes Archive in Berlin, but had to proof her relationship.
    My father was convicted by a russian tribuneral in the '50 tis for s-spionage and had to served his time in Bautzen,Germany.
    With the "wall" coming down and komunisium falling we where able to get his records from Moscow, Russia.
    So if you have a little more details I can try to help you, or if you already found something but need a translation let me know.

    Margit

    • 44.1
      Bob Farrow says:

      Hi Margit

      Sorry for the delay I have had Laptop prolems.

      My Uncle had returned from Siberia in 1953. He was living near Ulm in Southern Germany when he was charged and I do not know which court he appeared in.

      Local ones might have been Stuttgart or Ulm I would guess.

      He was originaly sentenced as a POW to the Gulag. But was brought back from SIberia to Moscow and tries for being an SS member (he wasn't but had a blood group tattoo) he ws given an additional 25 years.

      He is mentioned in the book by Peter Braun – 'Denn er wird meinen Fuss aus der Schlinge ziehen' – a book about Peter's Gulag experiences. he was in a camp with my Uncle.

      ANy help appreciated Margit

      Cheers

      Bob

  45. 45
    nazi nazi says:

    Please post all your Nazi relatives names/locations etc.
    Tx!

    • 45.1
      Margit says:

      WHY?

      • 45.1.1
        Rainer says:

        43,0 bis 45.1

        Hallo!

        Es tut mir leid, Eure Schreiben kann ich leider nicht lesen.
        Ich spreche und schreibe nur DEUTSCH.
        Danke für Euer Verständnis.
        Heute benötige ich nur die Adresse vom Archiv der Britischen Besatzungsarmee in Deutschland.
        Danke

    • 45.2
      Rainer says:

      Ja, schön, wenn Du nur fünf Namen nennen könntest, wo bisher niemand kannte, und wenn möglich erst noch Schweizer! Aber nur gültig, wenn Du diese Anschuldigung beweisen könntest. 1:100 Du kennst Niemand, oder ?

  46. 46
    Margit says:

    Hallo Rainer,
    Ich werde es uebersetzen."Nazi Nazi" schreibt:

    Bitte post/schreibt alle eure Nazi Verwanten Namen und Orte auf und so weiter.
    Danke

    Meine Frage an Nazi Nazi war schlicht: "Warum?"

    Bob Versucht Informationen ueber seinen Onkel der 1953 von Sibirien nach der Gefangenschaft entlassen wurde zu finden. Nach ein paar Jahren in Deutschland wurde sein Onkel des Mordes angeklagt.Wurde aber freigesprochen.
    Der Mord solte an einem anderen gefangen waehrent der gefangenschaft in Russland vorgefallen sein.

    • 46.1
      Rainer says:

      TOP AKTUELL!

      Einige Zeitungsschlagzeilen aus dem Tages-Anzeiger (TA) Stadt Zürich, und der Zürichsee Zeitung (ZSZ):

      18.02.2012 = ZSZ – Neonazis zogen fast unbemerkt durch Hombrechtikon 18.02.2012 = ZSZ – Die rätselhafte Nenazi-Demo
      18.02.2012 = ZSZ – Gemeinderat prüft rechtliche Schritte nach Neonazi-Marsch
      23.02.2012 = ZSZ – Strafanzeige nach Neonazi-Fackelzug
      23.02.2012 = TA – Strafanzeige nach Neonazi-Fackelzug
      29.02.2012 = ZSZ – Vorstoss eingereicht nach Neonazi-Umzug im Parlament
      05.03.2012 = TA – Neonazis nutzten Schweizer Server
      06.03.2022 = SZS – Bar sieht sich nicht als Neonazi-Treff
      20.04.2012 = TA – Fackelzug von Hombrechtikon lässt Fragen offen
      Fortsetzung folgt… Solange man die Namen dieser Personen nicht kennt, geht es weiter so, und gibt immer wieder Schlagzeilen.

  47. 47
    Bob says:

    Well translated.

    I empfahl auch ein Buch uber Deautsche gefangen in Russland. Mein Onkel ist in diesem Buch genannt???

  48. 48
    Edward Demian says:

    I recommend to everyone here to go on the internet and find the site showing : The women of Zeeland". It is about Soviet prizoners of war in German concentration camps, that were recruited into the SS. This SS unit, made up of mostly Armenians, were stationed in Zeeland (NW Europe) and charged with guarding the front. It turns out that they would catch Jews, shelter them, sometime dressing them in their uniforms in order to spirit them out of the country. The married local women, and had children there. Tried to defect to the British, but were denied. After the war, they were forcefully sent to the USSR. See the movie for the ending.

  49. 49
    Edward Demian says:

    My uncle Ion Volentiru Served with the Romanian 3rd Army all the way from Romania to Stalingrad and back to Romania without a scratch. Came home on leave and the Russian army units came through his village, and arrested him in his Romanian house, sent him to Siberia from 1944 to 1954, when they sent him home to die. He arrived as a walking corpse, terminally ill. My dad sent for some Penicillin from America, and saved his life. During the Hungarian uprising, he was arrested in Romania, as a preventative measure. Released later when the Hungarian revolt was defeated. Later, during collectivisation he was arrested and sent to hard labor for expressing an opinion about the Collective system. Served his time, 7 years. Decided to try to fix an old gun to shoot his denouncer, but the gunsmith denounced him too, so back to prison and hard labor. Served that sentence too, came home and was a tireless grumbler and a thorn on the side of the Communist system. Finally, we suspect that he was poisoned by the Securitate. He died cursing Communism.

  50. 50
    Lisa says:

    I am looking for any way to find information about my German relatives. My grandmother was born in Daumstand in 1928. Her older brother was taken as a POW by the Russians (I am not sure of the year). My great grandparents worked for some Baron and had a restaurant. My great grandfather was taken by the nazis for not putting Hitlers picture on the wall. My nanny died before she could finish telling me all the stories. How can i find out more?

  51. 51
    Denny says:

    It's not just relatives of former Axis soldiers that should be interested in this. Thousands of British and American prisoners of war disappeared when there camps were "liberated" by the Soviets at the end of the war and sent into the gulag. The Soviets only ever repatriated a small number of their prisoners whatever their nationality – most were released but kept in the same region as the camps. Many of those Germans/Japanese (and others) who didn't return in the fifties could well have survived but were never allowed to return home.

  52. 52
    Simon Rees says:

    I'm glad my article has engendered such a robust debate on this site. Please note the version presented here is in abbreviated form. The full version can be found at: http://www.historicaleye.com/Axispows.html

  53. 53
    Rainer says:

    Hallo, ich suche Dokumentationen (Fotos, Berichte) von meinem Vater – Willi Otto FRISCHKNECHT, welcher von 1913 bis 1944 in Norddeutschland wohnte.

    Außerdem suche ich noch nach – Willi Franz Adolf LUES, geboren 12.11.1915 in Hamburg. LUES fiel am 29.03.1942 in Mostki, in der Kesselschlacht vor Leningrad.

    Gibt es zwischen den Männer eine SS-Verbindung? LUES war der erste Ehemann meiner Mutter, FRISCHKNECHT war der zweite Ehemann meiner Mutter. Vater war Mitglied der NSDAP, aber eine Kopie vom Ausweis erhielt ich nie.

    Die Divisionen für die Ostfront wurden in der Lüneburger Heide (Waffenplatz Bergen) zusammen gestellt, weshalb diese Logik nicht unmöglich ist, dass sich die zwei Männer dort kennen lernten?

    Für jede beglaubigte Dokumentation bezahle ich gerne etwas. Vielleicht gibt es im Britischen Militärarchiv vom Zweiten Weltkrieg irgendwelche Unterlagen.

    TRANSLATION FROM BING TRANSLATOR:
    Hi, I'm looking documentation (photos, reports) by my father – Willi Otto FRISCHKNECHT, who lived from 1913 to 1944 in Northern Germany.

    Also I search for still Willi Franz Adolf LUES-, born 12.11.1915 in Hamburg. LUES passed to the 29.03.1942 in Mostki in the battleground before Leningrad.

    Is there in a SS connection between the men? LUES was the first husband of my mother, FRISCHKNECHT was the second husband of my mother. Father was a member of the Nazi party, but I never received a copy of the identification document.

    The divisions for the eastern front together made on the Lüneburg Heath (GEODESIC mountains), which is why this logic is not impossible, that the two men there met?

    I like to pay something for each certified documentation. Maybe there are any documents in the military archives of the second world war.

  54. 54
    Rainer says:

    Hallo,
    heute suche ich die "Namenslisten von den Betreuungspersonen" welche der Bahnfahrt der Austauschjuden, von Bergen Belsen, via Schweiz, nach Palästina betreuten und organisierten?
    In welchen Archiven könnte sich diese Liste finden?
    Für jede Antwort bin ich dankbar.

    TRANSLATION FROM BING:

    Hello
    today I'm looking for the "lists of names of the caregivers" which the ride of the Exchange Jews, served from Bergen Belsen, via Switzerland, to Palestine and organized?
    In what archives could this list find itself?
    I am grateful for each answer.

  55. 55
    Rainer says:

    Welche Zeitung veröffentlicht, Suchmeldungen von "verschenkten" Kinder vom Zweiten Weltkrieg, welche heute jedoch schon 70 Jahre als, und älter sind, bei denen damals die Väter im Krieg gefallen sind? Gibt es eine Verbindung zwischen diesen "Kindern"? Über jede Antwort, in deutscher Sprache, danke ich.

  56. 56
    Dalmtian says:

    Thank you all for the pertinent and thought provoking commentary. It would be remiss to ignore or disregard that a fair number of 'Heer' were also sent to South Africa, where, under the previous and draconian regime, were welcomed.

    An interesting issue this, and one which certainly requires some research.

  57. 57
    Edie says:

    I'm trying to find more information regarding my grandfather, Albert Rudolf Freiwald, who was taken in January 1945 by USSR soldiers near what was known as Skitten in East Prussia. In the mid 1970s, my uncle tried to find information and he received a letter from the German Red Cross that stated the Soviet Red Cross said he died July 20, 1945. But they would not offer more information. I'm assuming more records have been released but I haven't a clue of where to begin. Can you direct me?

    My mother and her sister as teenagers escaped alone and the American Red Cross reunited them with my grandmother and remaining family members.

    Thank you,
    Edie

  58. 58
    Thomas Eichelberger says:

    There are several Germans who survived the Russian gulag and wrote books about that and their entire war experience. I don't have the specific authors or titles handy but you can find them. I intend to read them myself but don't have the time right now. However, most Germans did not survive the gulag.

  59. 59
    Barry says:

    Hi Daphne! I also cannot find any books related to German POWs, that had served prison sentences in the Russian gulags. If you obtain an author and/or book titles I would be very interested in receiving. Regards, Barry

  60. 60
    Jean B says:

    I am interested in fidning out more about Von Deutscher Kriegsgef Angenen (German POW) Andenken who was at the Camp Van Dorn POW Camp in Centerville Mississippi.
    Thanks for any help on this.
    ATB
    Jean

  61. 61
    Rainer says:

    Meine Recherchen Nr. 5‘215:
    „Auf der Spurensuche im Zweiten Weltkrieg“ suche ich heute meine Schwester Elisabeth Mechthild LUES, geboren am 1. August 1940 in Hamburg. Vater LUES Willi und Mutter LUES A-C gaben, als ihr Vater in der Infanterie-Division 76 einrückte, kam die Schwester zu den Verwandten auf das Land. Elisabeth Mechthild LUES lebte in den 50er, 60er Jahren noch. Als wir in Hardehausen bei Scherfede (Westfalen) in den Ferien weilten, wurde Mutter auf der Strasse angesprochen, dabei fiel auch der Satz „Wie geht es Elisabeth Mechthild“, Mutter sagte es geht ihr gut, sie sei auf dem Lande bei Verwandten untergebracht, wo sie es gut hatte? Zudem sei der Name sicher eine Verwechslung, sie sei Schweizerin, und zeigte auf das Auto (Nummer). Da gab es bereits Wiedersprüche in sich selbst, welche ich nicht vollziehen konnte, weil ich Elisabeth Mechthild nicht kannte, und auch keinen Zusammenhang sah.
    Dem „tracing@redcross.de“ übergab ich die Unterlagen für die Suche. Vielleicht kante ein ehemaligen Soldat LUES in der ID 76, wo über seine Tochter sprach? Wenn ja, bitte melde Dich bei mir! Danke für das Verständnis, wo könnte ich sonst noch suchen? Die damaligen Kinder sind heute alle Greise, und es gibt, keine öffentliche Suchmeldungen, wo man sich hinwenden könnte? Wo suchen die Kinder von damals heute ihre Eltern?

    ROUGH TRANSLATION (FROM BING)
    My research No. 5'215:
    I'm looking for "in search of traces in the second world war" today my sister Elisabeth Mechthild LUES, born on August 1, 1940 in Hamburg. Father LUES Willi and mother LUES A-C gave, as was her father in the Infantry Division, 76, came the sister to relatives in the country. Elisabeth Mechthild LUES still lived in the 50s or 60s years. As we resided in Hardehausen in Scherfede (Westfalen) during the holidays, mother was approached on the street noticed the sentence "How are you Elisabeth Mechthild", MOM said it it goes well, it is housed in the country with relatives, where she good had it? Also be sure the name confusion, she was Swiss, and pointed to the car (number). There were already back sayings in itself, which I could not understand because I didn't know Elisabeth Mechthild, and was also no correlation.
    I handed over the documents to find the "tracing@redcross.de". Perhaps a former soldier edge SYPHILIS in the ID 76, where spoke about his daughter? If so, please sign up with me! Thank you for understanding, where could I look else? Then children are all old men, and there are no public discovery messages, where you could turn out? Where are the children from their parents at that time today looking for?

  62. 62
    LCDR USN Robert A Strange says:

    In WW1 I had my Great Uncle Robert Ballweg Captured 23/24 July 1917. His 10th Bavarian Division-20th Bavarian Brigade-8th Bavarian Reserve Regiment -12th Company was Attacked on 24 July 1917 by the Tenth Battalion Royal West Kent Regiment Forty First Division East of Ypres at Hollebeke. He was returned after the war and discharged on 29 September 1919.
    His Youngest Brother was a Infantry Sgt in Von Paulus's 6th Army at Stalingrad and was captured in Feb 1943. He was held in the Ural Mountains and died in August 1945.

    Does anyone know of the actual place in the Ural Mountains the prisoners were held from Stalingrad. Did any that returned by 1955 have written or may have known the Bavarian Infantry Divisions fate?

  63. 63
    Willis says:

    My grandfather was SS Stuurmbannfuher Herbert Kuhlman of SS panzer Regiment 12. He was captured near Stavelot. He was held in POW camp in Washington, Il. Until released in november 1945. Lived in Lacon, Il. Until his death in 1998.

  64. 64
    Wittmann says:

    Anyone who thinks that Josef Stalin actually lived up to all the terms of the Yalta agreement needs to do some research.

    Not only did he fail to release all the captured German Soldiers during WW2, he also failed to turnover all of the American and British soldier's that were liberated from German POW camps by the Red Army. The number of these soldiers could be as high as 20,000 US and 20,000 UK soldiers, other countries totals would add to that amount. This is before you discuss the civilians that disappeared from the German camps which could be as high 1,000,000.

  65. 65
    Lee hamlin says:

    Why is it so unbelievable that german pow,s were released as late as 1981, when the berlin wall was still standing as late as 89. The simple facts are, stalin was a gangster,and a former criminal himself. he killed far more russians during collectivization in the 1930,s than the 20 million who died as a result of the invasion by the nazis. Throughout the cold war russia answered to no one else in the world,long after ww2 had ended and the death of Stalin. Ive had first hand experience of this through a Hungarian friend now living in the u.k. His grandfather sided with the german forces in 1945 against the russian advance, was captured and worked in a forced labour camp until 1976. He was only released because the foundry he worked at closed and the russian military didnt know what to do with the inmates. no repatriation was given and he had to make his way home with the help of hand outs from civilians on route. He wasnt even ss.

  66. 66
    Bob Farrow says:

    I have mentioned here before that my Uncle was in the Gulag for 10 years. Finally returning in 1953.
    I had heard talk in the family that he had been summoned to court a few years later having been reported by another returning German POW as having murdered a fellow German in one of the Camps he was at. He was acquitted. I didn't know until recently that this was part or many trials that took place in post-war Germany – their purpose being to prosecute Germans who had committed crimes against other Germans in the Gulags. They were called the Kameradenschinder Trials.

    I asked my Uncle about this about many, many years later. (He wouldn't speak about the camps until he was well over 80. ) He wouldn't say anything about other than to say that anybody caught stealing another prisoners food could expect to be murdered by fellow inmates, as every mouthful of food lost could mean death – the food rations being so miserable earlier in his period of captivity. It got better, was never good but during the first months and years German POWs were starving to death in the camps.

    I was wondering if any body else knew of these trials. And if anybody knew of any archive that might give more detail generally and perhaps even about individual cases?



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