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Dog Tags Lost and Found In Southeast Asia: An Update| Vietnam | 8 comments | Print This Post | Email This Post The April 2002 issue of Vietnam Magazine carried an article about the 1,444 dog tags that an American tourist had purchased from shops and street vendors in Hue City, Socialist Republic of Vietnam (SRV), in 1994. The tourist — a former Army nurse — hoped that the dog tags might lead to the recovery and identification of some of the then 2,400 (now less than 1,850) American soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines who had gone missing in Southeast Asia, and she therefore immediately notified the U.S. MIA Office in Hanoi and turned the dog tags over to members of the Joint Task Force-Full Accounting (JTF-FA; now superseded by the Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command, JPAC) and its Central Identification Laboratory (CIL), for verification of their authenticity. Little did the tourist know that her good Samaritan deed would serve as the catalyst for some of the most in-depth research into dog tags to date. As none of the dog tags that she provided proved to be those of Americans missing in action (MIA) in Southeast Asia, they were turned over to scientists at the CIL to determine whether the tags had actually been worn by Americans who served in Southeast Asia, or whether they were fakes created for sale to unsuspecting tourists. Several years of investigation and analysis followed to determine which of the 1,444 dog tags were real and which were not. The situation was further complicated by numerous stories of rosters of U.S. service members, U.S. dog tag embossing machines and U.S. dog tag blanks left behind when the last troops withdrew in 1975. One of the main reasons for trying to trace dog tags to their origin was the hope that they might lead investigators to American crash and burial sites that had yet to be located. To get to the bottom of what we called the ‘mystery of the dog tags,’ we needed to address four basic questions. First, were the dog tags issued by the United States or were they faked by Vietnamese citizens for the purpose of making a few dollars? Second, were there any fake dog tags among the 1,444? Third, if these dog tags were genuine, how did they end up in Vietnamese hands? Finally, would Americans want their dog tags back after 30 years and, if so, how could we know and how would we locate them so many years after the war? For whatever reason, these relics of war had been left behind, and we wanted to know how and why. We undertook this project with no preconceived notions, not knowing what we would find or learn. We would instead let the evidence speak for itself. One area of confusion concerning the authenticity of dog tags is the difference between dog tags and dog tag rubbings (or as the Vietnamese call them, ‘paper dog tags’). Some investigators have mistakenly lumped these all into the same category. The difference is that a dog tag is made of metal and, in order to fake it, has to be duplicated using another metal dog tag. To produce a fake dog tag, a fabricator needs not only an original dog tag or a copy of a U.S. duty roster to get the service member’s biographical information, but also a stamping machine and a genuine (not hand-made) dog tag blank of the correct weight, material and design. In comparison, a dog tag rubbing is made by transferring the exact information from a real or fake dog tag by holding it against a piece of paper (often the foil from inside a cigarette pack) or carbon paper, and rubbing it with a pencil or pen. In fact, some paper dog tags are handwritten. Vietnamese ‘bone dealers’ (a cottage industry for some unscrupulous citizens in Vietnam) produce paper dog tags and turn them over to U.S. authorities along with a small chip of animal or human bone or tooth in the mistaken belief that they’ll receive money or preferential immigration status for their family to the United States. They produce and send in paper dog tags as proof of their sincerity and keep the original dog tags for making future rubbings. The CIL and other government agencies working in the POW/MIA arena receive many paper dog tags each month, and some of the names on them, we’ve been told, have been seen more than 60 times. Over the years we have seen numerous copies of the same paper dog tag through the CIL — ‘Bunk Queer’ and ‘John Mullins,’ for example — but we have not seen more than four metal dog tags from the same individual. The point is that paper dog tags are not the same as metal ones and should not be discussed as if they are; such a comparison is apples and oranges. The first step in our research was to list as many of the 1,444 names as possible (some were damaged or too rusty to read) on the CIL Web site — now listed as www.jpac.pacom.mil — so that anyone browsing the Web could check to see if his or her name was listed. The reader could then contact the JPAC Web master by e-mail or telephone and answer a few questions that only the dog tag’s original owner or next of kin could know. For example, the veteran might be asked to give the last four digits of his or her Social Security number, or the complete military service number as listed on the dog tag. If the correct information was provided, we mailed the dog tag and a copy of the April 2002 Vietnam article to the veteran, along with a signed letter from the CIL. We return each dog tag to its original owner in the same condition that we received it — dirty, rusty, bent, scratched, or clean and shiny. We don’t want to wash away the dirt, or memories or evidence of what had happened three decades before. Judging from the many Web sites (for example, FoundDogTags.com, topvietnamveterans.org, canamission.com, VietnamDogtags.com, etc.) and coverage in newspapers and national television shows, including the ‘Oprah Winfrey Show,’ across the United States in the past few years, reuniting lost dog tags with their owners has gained some attention. Unfortunately, and without any apparent basis in fact, some have labeled such reunions as misguided and the recovered dog tags as imitations manufactured by the Vietnamese. Such allegations have cast a shadow on the authenticity of all dog tags coming from the streets of Vietnam. Our research, by contrast, is showing that there appears to be less deviousness at play than some people might think. For example, we compared duplicate dog tags held at the JPAC with those of Cana Mission and Vietnam Dogtags, and found that the information and their features matched, indicating that they were stamped by the same stamping machines — rather than one dog tag having been stamped Stateside and the other one in Vietnam. In November 2001 we posted more than 1,000 names on the CIL Web site. In January 2002 we got our first response, from a veteran named Dan Clipson who now resides in Oklahoma. Clipson served in Phu Bai from 1969 to 1970, and didn’t remember losing any dog tags. By asking a few questions, we verified that it was his dog tag and sent it to him the next day. A few weeks later we received a letter from him saying, ‘Please know that this is one former American soldier who thanks you for giving back to him a piece of his history….’ We were elated to be able to help Clipson reclaim a piece of his youth, and then waited for the next query; it arrived two months later. Since then we’ve received two or three dog tag queries each month. Over the next year we verified and returned more than 20 dog tags to veterans living in Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Illinois, Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, New Hampshire, New York, South Dakota, Texas, Virginia and Germany. Twelve had served in the Army, two in the Navy and seven in the Marines. Two other veterans had died after the war, and we sent their dog tags to surviving family members. Subscribe Today
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8 Comments to “Dog Tags Lost and Found In Southeast Asia: An Update”
Can you give me information on the most trusted resource for recovering dog tags. My father Larry Francis Lucas, December 20 1966, Army, MIA now recovered and buried in Arlington. His tags were last located in a village close to the place where his plane crashed.
Any resource would be helpful. We are very interested in finding out more about revovering his tags.
Thank you for this story.
760-672-8641
San Diego California
By Melissa Harlow on Aug 8, 2008 at 1:28 pm
In Papua New Guinea last week I encountered a local who possessed 2 sets of US dog tags – a Melbourne Berg of Crystal Falls, MI and a ….Lynch of 5th Air Force. How do I go about pursuing the possibility that these may be MIA’s? The local still has them in PNG.
Mike Decker, Dallas, Tx
By mike decker on Aug 10, 2008 at 8:21 pm
I have lived in SE Asia for 10 years, some local children in a
remote location (without any tourism ) were wearing old dog
tags, (there are many war time plane wrecks nearby , an
abandoned wartime airfield also) We bought the tags from them,
explained why they were so precious and brought them home
with us, we are wanting to re-unite the tags with the soldiers, can
you help us with this??
By Susan on Nov 16, 2008 at 5:20 pm
I have recently found a US army dog tag at a battlefield named Dakto in Vietnam. It is, I believe, 40 years old. I wish to try and track down the owner. I have checked to see if he is MIA on the internet and thankfully he is not. I hope this guy is alive and well and maybe would appreciate the return of his dog tag after all this time. I do not want to submit my precious find to any Dogtag lost and found website. Why should I give them the glory of returning it!!
Maybe you can help someway. I have began some research work by contacting people with the same surname on Facebook and Myspace
Kind regards
Neil
By Neil Hazeldine on Mar 22, 2009 at 5:56 am
How to try to return a Dog Tag: 1st if there is a nine digit number it will be the Social Security Number. Try using an Internet Search Engine such as http://www.zabasearch.com and use the search by SS Number feature; if successful you will get a City and State. Next try a phone directory, such as http://www.anywho.com. Also check using YAHOO or GOOGLE under SSDI (Social Security Death Index) – it may be that the former soldier is deceased. Lastly you can submit a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the National Personnel Records Center in St Louis – http://www.archives.gov The FOIA information may help with tracking the place of entry and discharge of the Dog Tag owner. Be sure to clearly state “This is a FOIA request” and that you want “ALL FOIA RELEASEABLE INFORMATION.”
By Joseph Naporac on May 27, 2009 at 10:25 pm
how can i go about getting my dads replacement tags he passed 14may he was in vietnam for 6 years got out in 1966
thanks
tim
By tim turner on Jul 10, 2009 at 4:22 pm
In January, 2002 I had a dog tag returned to me from a gentleman who purchase several from a Ho Chi Mong city market. His name is Bob McMann from New Hampshire. Are you aware of him.? He did not ask for anything. Just returned my dog tag with a nice carf wishing me home. I appreciated it, even though I did not remember losing a tag.
By ronald Pewinski on Jul 27, 2009 at 8:55 pm
As, a fairly frequent visitor to Vietnam since 92, I can attest to the fact dog tags in the early years were found in shops all over Saigon. Less frequently now, since it has become known that it was and is a scam. I even believe if I were to ask, I could find Bill Clinton, George Bush or even Marilyn Monroe’s dog tags if I had only asked.
One must realize that it isn’t that difficult to find service numbers and even social security numbers if one searched some websites of American units a few years ago. While in Vietnam during the 60s, many of us got our replicate dog tags made by a Vietnamese shop owner, while standing in a Vietnamese vendor’s shop. The one’s I have now are a copy of the real ones, I got on entering the service.
One doesn’t give the Vietnamese enough credit for being smart and industrious. A thief of one’s identity doesn’t have to be born in the United States. Conterfietings, isn’t a national crime but is worldwide. Anyone want to purchase Obama or Bin Laden’s dog tags? I’m heading to Vietnam again soon. Or what about Michael Jackson’s. Now, that would be valuable.
By curtis gilliland on Aug 16, 2009 at 10:59 pm