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Ho Chi Minh and the OSSBy Claude G. Berube | Vietnam | 10 comments | Print This Post | Email This Post ![]() OSS Deer Team members pose with Viet Minh leaders Ho Chi Minh and Vo Nguyen Giap during training at Tan Trao in August 1945. Deer Team members standing, l to r, are Rene Defourneaux, (Ho), Allison Thomas, (Giap), Henry Prunier and Paul Hoagland, far right. Kneeling, left, are Lawrence Vogt and Aaron Squires. (Rene Defourneaux) In the mid-1940s, the Viet Minh, under Ho Chi Minh, looked to the West for help in its independence movement and got it. As U.S. Army Major Allison Thomas sat down to dinner with Ho Chi Minh and General Vo Nguyen Giap on September 15, 1945, he had one vexing question on his mind. Ho had secured power a few weeks earlier, and Thomas was preparing to leave Hanoi the next day and return stateside, his mission complete. He and a small team of Americans had been in French Indochina with Ho and Giap for two months, as part of an Office of Strategic Services (OSS) mission to train Viet Minh guerrillas and gather intelligence to use against the Japanese in the waning days of World War II. But now, after Ho’s declaration of independence and Japan’s surrender the previous month, the war in the Pacific was over. So was the OSS mission in Indochina. At this last dinner with his gracious hosts, Thomas decided to get right to the heart of it. So many of the reports he had filed with the OSS touched on Ho’s ambiguous allegiances and intents, and Thomas had had enough. He asked Ho point-blank: Was he a Communist? Ho replied: “Yes. But we can still be friends, can’t we?” It was a startling admission. In the mid-1940s, the Viet Minh leadership, under Ho Chi Minh, looked to the West for help in its independence movement and got it. As World War II ended, the United States and its allies, most of them former colonial powers, now confronted a new problem. Independence movements were emerging all over the East. But former colonial powers had lost their military muscle, and the Americans simply wanted to “bring the boys home.” During the war, the United States had sought any and all allies to combat the fascist powers, only to find, years later, it may have inadvertently given birth to new world leaders either through misconceptions or missed opportunities. Vietnam’s independence leader, Ho Chi Minh, had been only a relatively minor figure just a few years earlier. In 1945, Ho became the leader of a movement that would result in revolutionary tumult for decades to come. Deer Team Meets a "Mr. Hoo" Two months before Thomas’ farewell dinner with Ho and Giap, he and six others from Special Operations Team Number 13, code-named “Deer,” had parachuted into a jungle camp called Tan Trao, near Hanoi, with directions to proceed to the headquarters of Ho Chi Minh, whom they naively knew only as a “Mr. Hoo.” Their mission, as they understood it, was to set up a guerrilla team of 50 to 100 men to attack and interdict the railroad from Hanoi to Lang Son to prevent the Japanese from going into China. They were also to find Japanese targets such as military bases and depots, and send back to OSS agents in China whatever intelligence they could. And they were to provide weather reports for air drops and U.S. Army Air Forces (USAAF) operations on an as-needed basis. Thomas had parachuted in on July 16, 1945, part of a three-man advance team that also included radio operator 1st Sgt. William Zielski and Pfc Henry Prunier, their interpreter. Not knowing who or what to expect when they reached the drop zone, Thomas and his team soon found themselves surrounded by 200 guerrilla fighters who greeted them warmly and showed them to their huts. They then met with Ho Chi Minh, who called himself “C.M. Hoo,” at his headquarters to coordinate operations with him. Thomas had no idea that Ho was a Communist, spoke Russian or had visited the Soviet Union. Nonetheless, Ho openly discussed politics with Thomas, stressing not only the abuses by the French, but also his desire to work with the French toward a solution. Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6Tags: Foreign Affairs, Historical Figures, Vietnam, World War II
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10 Comments to “Ho Chi Minh and the OSS”
Interesting. I knew that there were many such operations around the globe in Axis occupied areas by the OSS but you rarely hear about them.
By Jason on Oct 7, 2009 at 4:00 am
Wow! I don’t know how else to say it. The most interesting thing about history is the chain reaction of events.
By Daniel on Oct 8, 2009 at 1:58 am
When I was in college in about 1964-65 we had a speaker show claimed he had worked in Indo-China during the war. He had flown Ho and others in a Piper Cub aircraft. He claimed he knew the Ho was a communist and had ask for permission to “get rid” of him as he will be trouble for us i the future. That was the story he claimed to have told to his superiors in Washington.
I always wondered if it were true or if he made it all up.
By Pat on Oct 19, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Ho was only “trouble for the U.S.” because it was of the U.sS’s choosing.
Truman ignored Ho’s overtures, while the French reoccupied Indochina.
Gen. Vo N. Giap was the architect of the humiliating French defeat at Dienbienphu in 1953.
The i954 Geneva Accord ending the French-Indochina war resulted in the provisional division of Vietnam into communist North , under Ho, and U.s. -backed South Vietnam, under Emperor Bao Dai. In 1955, Bao Dai was overthrown by his Prime Minister, Ngo Dinh Diem, who refused to abide by the provision of the Geneva Accord that elections to unify the country would be held in both North and South Vietnam in 1956.
In 1959, the communist Viet Cong began their struggle to overthrow Diem. The U.S. intervention to save the south Vietnamese regime began in 1961, and the official U.S. Intervention began in 1964.
By Hans von Saxe on Oct 24, 2009 at 1:22 am
I recently visited Saigon / Ho Chi Minh City…seems that Ho was correct after all and the U.S. was wrong. Communism/ socialism works in Vietnam, and “we can still be friends”, as Ho said to Thomas after Thomas asked Ho if he were a communist…today the biggest concern for Vietnam is Communist China, not the U.S. In fact, the U.S, is Vietnam’s largest export destination. We made big. big mistakes in Vietnam. The world is not black and white.
By shtarka on Oct 26, 2009 at 4:13 am
The article highlights failure of U.S. foreign policy. U.S. always failed to understand Asia, Asians and their aspirations.
By Afshin on Oct 28, 2009 at 2:42 am
yo dawg tht was pretty good ;)
By Christine on Nov 9, 2009 at 10:58 am
Afshin,
I disagree. The failure was more of an individual assessment and understanding of Ho. The U.S. would have worked with anyone willing to help against the Japanese, just as the U.S. allied with the Soviet Union against Germany. I confirmed this through a post-production interview with Major Defourneaux.
- Claude
By Claude Berube on Nov 14, 2009 at 8:55 pm
The real story is how Ho used the OSS. Although this history is pretty much historically accurate it nevertheless ends in a wrong conclusion because it begins with a wrong premise. This thinking belongs to the anti-war movement and PBS Vietnam: A Television History school of thought. It is the kind of thinking that seeks to blame the U.S. for the turn of nationalists into Communists simply because the U.S. didn’t help them when they came for help. Ho Chi Min was a committed Komintern type communist through and through who used nationalism and whatever means necessary to incorporate Vietnam into the international struggle for Communism. Even if the US had helped Ho obtain independence he would just have used the US and in the end establish a Communist regime just like Fidel Castro did. The naiveté of the OSS officers in taking Ho at his words as if he were some kind of George Washington is more than obvious. Later as the CIA they also believed the Castro brothers.
By J. Alejandro on Nov 19, 2009 at 10:24 pm