Comments on: Yom Kippur War: Sacrificial Stand in the Golan Heights http://www.historynet.com/yom-kippur-war-sacrificial-stand-in-the-golan-heights.htm From the World's Largest History Magazine Publisher Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:41:21 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: bruce http://www.historynet.com/yom-kippur-war-sacrificial-stand-in-the-golan-heights.htm/comment-page-1#comment-89516 bruce Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:51:00 +0000 #comment-89516 Something rarely mentioned is Israel's massive attacks on cities along Suez canal during occupation of Sinia prior to 1973 war. High toll in Egyptian civilian deaths caused evacuation of almost a million people. In one incident Israel bombed a girls' school with many deaths. As always claimed it being an error,as Israel always claims. Also as important to note that the Israeli 1967 attack on EGYPT followed a 1956 Israel attack in collusion with the UK and France.Follwing 1956 war France would give Israel a nuclear reactor which would evolve into an illegal WMD program . Discovering Israel's secret WMD program,JFK would threaten sanctions against Israel before his asassination in 1963.In 1967 Israel is puported to have had two primitive Nuclear devices as a fallaback position,if sneak attack on it's 3 neighbors failed. By 1973 in Egypt there was no doubt of Israeli belligerent intent. Only in the West did Israeli spin gain Traction. That same spin was used to get US into Iraq and same group has Iran in crosshairs. According to The Christian Science Monitor,Israel has cost the US TAXPAYER over $1.3 TRILLION since 1973. Also never mentioned! Something rarely mentioned is Israel’s massive attacks on cities along Suez canal during occupation of Sinia prior to 1973 war. High toll in Egyptian civilian deaths caused evacuation of almost a million people. In one incident Israel bombed a girls’ school with many deaths.
As always claimed it being an error,as Israel always claims.
Also as important to note that the Israeli 1967 attack on EGYPT followed a 1956 Israel attack in collusion with the UK and France.Follwing 1956 war France would give Israel a nuclear reactor which would evolve into an illegal WMD program . Discovering Israel’s secret WMD program,JFK would threaten sanctions against Israel before his asassination in 1963.In 1967 Israel is puported to have had two primitive Nuclear devices as a fallaback position,if sneak attack on it’s 3 neighbors failed.
By 1973 in Egypt there was no doubt of Israeli belligerent intent.
Only in the West did Israeli spin gain Traction.
That same spin was used to get US into Iraq and same group has Iran in crosshairs.

According to The Christian Science Monitor,Israel has cost the US TAXPAYER over $1.3 TRILLION since 1973.
Also never mentioned!

]]> By: Jaspah http://www.historynet.com/yom-kippur-war-sacrificial-stand-in-the-golan-heights.htm/comment-page-1#comment-64035 Jaspah Sat, 23 May 2009 08:01:38 +0000 #comment-64035 I am 26 years old now and I was born and raised in the Philippines, a country also torn by not only one but numerous armed conflicts over the course of history. To be honest I love looking at the past especially if it comes to war and peace. Recently, I was able to get a hold of a video that gives in-depth analysis of the Yom Kippur war. Pulling back time as far there was no goverment in the middle east region who was and is interested in achieving peace internally and externally. I say that because when you look at the past governments or administrations there was no move, lobbying or government-sponsored initiative to promote peace in the region. Survival alone is not enough especially for those who are arguing about land and territory. We live in a world that grows smaller everyday. We get closer together by the internet, population explosion and migration. My hope is we stop blaming and start looking at the right approach toward peace. This is through unified effort to rid ourselves of extreme thinking but be moderate and painstakingly wise in our decisions. Again, it is easy for a normal citizen like myself. As I talk Notter is still with the Abu Sayyaff and some people evacuate. All these man-made acts done in the name of God! I am 26 years old now and I was born and raised in the Philippines, a country also torn by not only one but numerous armed conflicts over the course of history. To be honest I love looking at the past especially if it comes to war and peace. Recently, I was able to get a hold of a video that gives in-depth analysis of the Yom Kippur war.

Pulling back time as far there was no goverment in the middle east region who was and is interested in achieving peace internally and externally. I say that because when you look at the past governments or administrations there was no move, lobbying or government-sponsored initiative to promote peace in the region. Survival alone is not enough especially for those who are arguing about land and territory.

We live in a world that grows smaller everyday. We get closer together by the internet, population explosion and migration. My hope is we stop blaming and start looking at the right approach toward peace. This is through unified effort to rid ourselves of extreme thinking but be moderate and painstakingly wise in our decisions. Again, it is easy for a normal citizen like myself. As I talk Notter is still with the Abu Sayyaff and some people evacuate. All these man-made acts done in the name of God!

]]> By: William Northrop http://www.historynet.com/yom-kippur-war-sacrificial-stand-in-the-golan-heights.htm/comment-page-1#comment-45790 William Northrop Tue, 24 Mar 2009 03:27:45 +0000 #comment-45790 Have not checked back on this site for several months, so forgive my tardiness in responding to Mr. Moroccan's last missive. Prejudice, Mr. Moroccan? Yes, well perhaps, but pardon me if I drop the name calling and refuse to argue over which olive tree belonged to whom and when. Like you, I believe there can be no peace without justice. I am an American and over 500 of our citizens were killed by the PLO during the two Reagan Administrations alone. (That does not count 9-11 and those killed since then.) Very few were supporters of Israel and there was not one "Crusader" among them. So, who do we see about "justice" for them, Mr. Moroccan? The argument is not over Israel or American support for the Jewish State. The argument is over the Western influence in the Middle East ... you and I both know that. In truth, I would be happy to leave you Arabs to your own devices, but you keep killing our citizens and it is hard for us to figure out why. So, prejudice, Mr. Moroccan? You bet. Me and the rest of the West, which does not agree with you or your methods. Have not checked back on this site for several months, so forgive my tardiness in responding to Mr. Moroccan’s last missive. Prejudice, Mr. Moroccan? Yes, well perhaps, but pardon me if I drop the name calling and refuse to argue over which olive tree belonged to whom and when. Like you, I believe there can be no peace without justice. I am an American and over 500 of our citizens were killed by the PLO during the two Reagan Administrations alone. (That does not count 9-11 and those killed since then.) Very few were supporters of Israel and there was not one “Crusader” among them. So, who do we see about “justice” for them, Mr. Moroccan?

The argument is not over Israel or American support for the Jewish State. The argument is over the Western influence in the Middle East … you and I both know that.

In truth, I would be happy to leave you Arabs to your own devices, but you keep killing our citizens and it is hard for us to figure out why. So, prejudice, Mr. Moroccan? You bet. Me and the rest of the West, which does not agree with you or your methods.

]]> By: Karim Moroccan http://www.historynet.com/yom-kippur-war-sacrificial-stand-in-the-golan-heights.htm/comment-page-1#comment-33485 Karim Moroccan Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:42:34 +0000 #comment-33485 Reading William Northrop's response to Omar Ibrahim, one can not help but notice the prejudiced and bigoted comment towards the end in which Mr. Northrop claims that Ibrahim sounds Palestinian and that Palestinians, the victims of this conflict, are folks who tend to blame others. There is no peace without justice, Mr. Northrop. I hope our grandchildren will not espouse the prejudice displayed in your message. Historynet is not objective when it comes to covering this conflict. Their account is blatantly biased towards Israel. Reading William Northrop’s response to Omar Ibrahim, one can not help but notice the prejudiced and bigoted comment towards the end in which Mr. Northrop claims that Ibrahim sounds Palestinian and that Palestinians, the victims of this conflict, are folks who tend to blame others.

There is no peace without justice, Mr. Northrop.

I hope our grandchildren will not espouse the prejudice displayed in your message.

Historynet is not objective when it comes to covering this conflict. Their account is blatantly biased towards Israel.

]]> By: William Northrop http://www.historynet.com/yom-kippur-war-sacrificial-stand-in-the-golan-heights.htm/comment-page-1#comment-21466 William Northrop Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:51:44 +0000 #comment-21466 I suppose Mr. Ibrahim's suppositions can be argued round or flat, but it should be noted that the 1973 October War took place within the context of the Cold War. If memory serves, the USA did replenish Israeli stocks, as did the Soviet Union for the Arabs. I also remember that a peace (of sorts) did come out of that war, specifically the Egyptian-Israeli accord that may not be to everyone's liking, but is certainly far better than the state of war that existed prior to it. As to the war itself, it would be hard to characterize a winner, not that it matters 35 years later. The Israelis drove back the Syrians in the Golan and surrounded the Egyptian Third Army in Sinai. Still, nothing can match militarily the Egyptian Army's canal crossing on 6 October 1973. Mr. Ibrahim sounds Palestinian... folks who tend to blame others for the lack of peace in the area. The West keeps pushing Israel toward a "two-state solution" while the Palestinians seem incapable of moving past their "one-state solution." Like Mr. Ibrahim, I hold out little hope for a peaceful compromise. Perhaps our grandchildren will see it. I suppose Mr. Ibrahim’s suppositions can be argued round or flat, but it should be noted that the 1973 October War took place within the context of the Cold War. If memory serves, the USA did replenish Israeli stocks, as did the Soviet Union for the Arabs.
I also remember that a peace (of sorts) did come out of that war, specifically the Egyptian-Israeli accord that may not be to everyone’s liking, but is certainly far better than the state of war that existed prior to it.
As to the war itself, it would be hard to characterize a winner, not that it matters 35 years later. The Israelis drove back the Syrians in the Golan and surrounded the Egyptian Third Army in Sinai. Still, nothing can match militarily the Egyptian Army’s canal crossing on 6 October 1973.
Mr. Ibrahim sounds Palestinian… folks who tend to blame others for the lack of peace in the area. The West keeps pushing Israel toward a “two-state solution” while the Palestinians seem incapable of moving past their “one-state solution.” Like Mr. Ibrahim, I hold out little hope for a peaceful compromise. Perhaps our grandchildren will see it.

]]> By: Omar Ibrahim http://www.historynet.com/yom-kippur-war-sacrificial-stand-in-the-golan-heights.htm/comment-page-1#comment-19899 Omar Ibrahim Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:12:58 +0000 #comment-19899 An infrequently noted by product of the Yom Kippur war is that its aftermath witnessed the virtual dashing of any serious "peace" in the Middle East. The Ramadam war, as it is known in Arab countries, was the inevitable outcome of the Arab defeat in the 1967 war and was meant, primarily, to liberate Israeli occupied lands of both Egypt, the Sinai, and Syria, the Golan. Those objectives were substantially achieved or, at least, field military developments made them a distinct possibility. UNTIL the USA intervened with massive military aid to Israel to redress the military situation to Israel’s benefits and thus frustrate any possibility of a negotiated settlement between two "equal partners" as distinct from negotiations between the “victor” and the “vanquished” ! The former setting in which both parties, the Arab side and the Israeli, would have been disillusioned would have provided the ONLY setting at which both sides would have had to succumb to the realities of the overall situation and concluded what both parties would have claimed to be to their respective constituencies an "honourable'" settlement. America's pro Israel intervention to frustrate what was a plain Arab “liberation war”, initiated by US Secretary of State Kissinger, only bolstered and magnified Israeli illusions, ambitions and designs that led to the construction of more and bigger Settlements and upheld the vision of a greater Israel in Israeli circles while further antagonizing the Arab side, particularly the Arab masses, and depicting the USA as their prime enemy! The rest is HISTORY with meaningless and practically insignificant peace treaties and an escalating conflict in which major regional entities now have a major stake. An infrequently noted by product of the Yom Kippur war is that its aftermath witnessed the virtual dashing of any serious “peace” in the Middle East.
The Ramadam war, as it is known in Arab countries, was the inevitable outcome of the Arab defeat in the 1967 war and was meant, primarily, to liberate Israeli occupied lands of both Egypt, the Sinai, and Syria, the Golan.
Those objectives were substantially achieved or, at least, field military developments made them a distinct possibility.
UNTIL the USA intervened with massive military aid to Israel to redress the military situation to Israel’s benefits and thus frustrate any possibility of a negotiated settlement between two “equal partners” as distinct from negotiations between the “victor” and the “vanquished” !

The former setting in which both parties, the Arab side and the Israeli, would have been disillusioned would have provided the ONLY setting at which both sides would have had to succumb to the realities of the overall situation and concluded what both parties would have claimed to be to their respective constituencies an “honourable’” settlement.

America’s pro Israel intervention to frustrate what was a plain Arab “liberation war”, initiated by US Secretary of State Kissinger, only bolstered and magnified Israeli illusions, ambitions and designs that led to the construction of more and bigger Settlements and upheld the vision of a greater Israel in Israeli circles while further antagonizing the Arab side, particularly the Arab masses, and depicting the USA as their prime enemy!

The rest is HISTORY with meaningless and practically insignificant peace treaties and an escalating conflict in which major regional entities now have a major stake.

]]> By: Live and Let Live « The Personal Journal of POTUS http://www.historynet.com/yom-kippur-war-sacrificial-stand-in-the-golan-heights.htm/comment-page-1#comment-1046 Live and Let Live « The Personal Journal of POTUS Thu, 03 Jul 2008 07:45:42 +0000 #comment-1046 [...] tells me, you know, it’s just a name, during the Yom Kippur War, there was a Barak brigade on the Golan Heights, and they mostly got overrun by the Syrians. So, a name means nothing to me. [...] [...] tells me, you know, it’s just a name, during the Yom Kippur War, there was a Barak brigade on the Golan Heights, and they mostly got overrun by the Syrians. So, a name means nothing to me. [...]

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