Comments on: World War II: Eighth Air Force Raid on Schweinfurt http://www.historynet.com/world-war-ii-eighth-air-force-raid-on-schweinfurt.htm?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=world-war-ii-eighth-air-force-raid-on-schweinfurt From the World's Largest History Magazine Publisher Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:15:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Sue Moyer http://www.historynet.com/world-war-ii-eighth-air-force-raid-on-schweinfurt.htm#comment-788482 Sue Moyer Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:25:49 +0000 #comment-788482 Hi Michael, Sorry I didn't reply sooner. As educational director of SSMA (Second Schweinfurt Memorial Association) I am always happy to find member of the NEXGEN. I was able to research this crew and found the following info. According to 379th records Capt Lavery's crew's first mission was the third Schweinfurt raid in 1944. Black Thursday refers to the second raid 10/14/43. http://www.8thairforce.com/members/crew.asp?acAirCraftNo=%2742-31779%27&misMissionNo=96&Group=%27379th%27 http://www.8thairforce.com/members/missionsflownby.asp?perIdentification=2921 I'm going to keep looking for a second verification. Please join us on Facebook or check out our network at: www.secondschweinfurt.ning.com I will let you know what else I am able to verify Sue Moyer Hi Michael, Sorry I didn't reply sooner. As educational director of SSMA (Second Schweinfurt Memorial Association) I am always happy to find member of the NEXGEN. I was able to research this crew and found the following info. According to 379th records Capt Lavery's crew's first mission was the third Schweinfurt raid in 1944. Black Thursday refers to the second raid 10/14/43.

http://www.8thairforce.com/members/crew.asp?acAirCraftNo=%2742-31779%27&misMissionNo=96&Group=%27379th%27

http://www.8thairforce.com/members/missionsflownby.asp?perIdentification=2921

I'm going to keep looking for a second verification. Please join us on Facebook or check out our network at:

http://www.secondschweinfurt.ning.com

I will let you know what else I am able to verify

Sue Moyer

]]> By: Michael D Black http://www.historynet.com/world-war-ii-eighth-air-force-raid-on-schweinfurt.htm#comment-787174 Michael D Black Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:25:00 +0000 #comment-787174 My father, George W. Black, flew his first mission on Black Thursday. He was the tail gunner of a ship called "the Lazy Lady" which flew with the 379th Gp. (Tri-angle K out of Kimbolton) Per his diary his plane made it to the target and back under the command of Cpt Lavery. My father believed he shot down one German fighter, a long nosed FW-190 with bright yellow nose, verticle stabilizers and wing tips. Was supposedly confirmed by ball turret gunner of his ship (name unknown). If anyone out there knew him or remembers any other details I'd love to hear them. Dad completed 31 missions (extended due to D-Day) and returned to US and worked as an instructor for B-29 gunners. War ended three days before he was to ship out to the Pacific. My father, George W. Black, flew his first mission on Black Thursday. He was the tail gunner of a ship called "the Lazy Lady" which flew with the 379th Gp. (Tri-angle K out of Kimbolton) Per his diary his plane made it to the target and back under the command of Cpt Lavery. My father believed he shot down one German fighter, a long nosed FW-190 with bright yellow nose, verticle stabilizers and wing tips. Was supposedly confirmed by ball turret gunner of his ship (name unknown). If anyone out there knew him or remembers any other details I'd love to hear them. Dad completed 31 missions (extended due to D-Day) and returned to US and worked as an instructor for B-29 gunners. War ended three days before he was to ship out to the Pacific.

]]> By: Ahron Shapiro http://www.historynet.com/world-war-ii-eighth-air-force-raid-on-schweinfurt.htm#comment-786810 Ahron Shapiro Sat, 14 Jan 2012 05:03:45 +0000 #comment-786810 My condolences on the recent passing of Mr. Kane. Dave, I'd love to hear Mr. Kane's story of Schweinfurt as he told it to you in June 2010. Do you use Facebook? There is a Facebook group for the 305th Bomb Group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/54028564457/ If you don't use Facebook, please let me know you read this and I'll post another way for you to get in touch with me. Thanks, Ahron My condolences on the recent passing of Mr. Kane.
Dave, I'd love to hear Mr. Kane's story of Schweinfurt as he told it to you in June 2010.
Do you use Facebook? There is a Facebook group for the 305th Bomb Group.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/54028564457/
If you don't use Facebook, please let me know you read this and I'll post another way for you to get in touch with me.
Thanks,
Ahron

]]> By: Susan Waldron http://www.historynet.com/world-war-ii-eighth-air-force-raid-on-schweinfurt.htm#comment-782067 Susan Waldron Wed, 23 Nov 2011 00:23:41 +0000 #comment-782067 Not sure why no "Reply" button is showing, but I have received your emails, and requested membership in both the ning site and the SSMA Facebook page. Thank you so much for helping me with this! Not sure why no "Reply" button is showing, but I have received your emails, and requested membership in both the ning site and the SSMA Facebook page. Thank you so much for helping me with this!

]]> By: Sue Moyer http://www.historynet.com/world-war-ii-eighth-air-force-raid-on-schweinfurt.htm#comment-782016 Sue Moyer Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:07:29 +0000 #comment-782016 Hi Susan, You will realize my frustration if you look at your response above (13.1.1) you will see that it is the only comment in the entire thread that does not have a reply prompt. This is my second reply to this message as the one this morning did not post. I would urge you to join our extended family of 2nd Schweinfurt raid family and friends at either or both: on Facebook, search for Second Schweinfurt Memorial Association or check out www.secondschweinfurt.ning.com. In both cases I need to approve your membership and you are set to go .. you are already one of us! On a personal note, my Dad also flew with the 306th on Black Thursday. He was with the 369th squadron. On the "ning" site you can see the formation and where your Dad's plane was. We also have many 17b folks with us. I can help you ID them. Last night I found a 2-part article written by your father about the educational system developed in the Stalag. It was published in ECHOES the newsletter of the 306 BG. I also have a crew photo, though not the 10/14 crew. Most importantly I can send you a copy of the MACR record for your Dad's crew if you do not already have a copy. I hesitate to post my e-mail here, for if you could contact me either via FB or the SSMA network we are set to go. On the network you are able to post things for us to share if you like. Yes, I would love to see what you have of the diary. And finally we have learned that the 2nd Schweinfurt mission will be the representation of the Army Air Corps as the National WWII Museum in New Orleans opens it's new Boeing Pavilion in 2012. Please read about our MISSION 2012 on either site. So happy to help you Hi Susan, You will realize my frustration if you look at your response above (13.1.1) you will see that it is the only comment in the entire thread that does not have a reply prompt. This is my second reply to this message as the one this morning did not post. I would urge you to join our extended family of 2nd Schweinfurt raid family and friends at either or both:
on Facebook, search for Second Schweinfurt Memorial Association or check out http://www.secondschweinfurt.ning.com. In both cases I need to approve your membership and you are set to go .. you are already one of us! On a personal note, my Dad also flew with the 306th on Black Thursday. He was with the 369th squadron. On the "ning" site you can see the formation and where your Dad's plane was. We also have many 17b folks with us. I can help you ID them. Last night I found a 2-part article written by your father about the educational system developed in the Stalag. It was published in ECHOES the newsletter of the 306 BG. I also have a crew photo, though not the 10/14 crew. Most importantly I can send you a copy of the MACR record for your Dad's crew if you do not already have a copy. I hesitate to post my e-mail here, for if you could contact me either via FB or the SSMA network we are set to go. On the network you are able to post things for us to share if you like.
Yes, I would love to see what you have of the diary. And finally we have learned that the 2nd Schweinfurt mission will be the representation of the Army Air Corps as the National WWII Museum in New Orleans opens it's new Boeing Pavilion in 2012. Please read about our MISSION 2012 on either site. So happy to help you

]]> By: Sue Moyer http://www.historynet.com/world-war-ii-eighth-air-force-raid-on-schweinfurt.htm#comment-781984 Sue Moyer Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:04:25 +0000 #comment-781984 I am so glad you got this Susan. This will be a quick response as I am at work and this afternoon I will be away from my computer and not able to chat until Wed. Last night I was able to find a crew photo of your Dad, though with his first crew, not Cole that he flew with 10/14. My Dad was also in the 306th, 369th BS. They got back, but he was seriously wounded. I also have a copy of the MACR record at home that I can send to you. We need to have another way to communicate though. Are you on Facebook? I started sending messages yesterday to every Susan Waldron I could find. You may notice above at your reply to me that there was not a reply back for me to use. Don't want to put my e-mail here. Let's see, two options - if on facebook look for Second Schweinfurt Memorial Memorial Association and ask to join. Also go to www.secondschweinfurt.ning.com and ask to join our network. There is more there than on Facebook. I also found a 2-part article that you Dad wrote on the educational system that was developed at Stalag 17b. YES, I would love to see the diary. I need to share other important info concerning our Mission 2012 - the 2nd Schweinfurt mission will be the Army Air Corps mission representation for the new Boeing Pavilion expansion at the National WWII museum in New Orleans. We would love to have you join our SSMA family I am so glad you got this Susan. This will be a quick response as I am at work and this afternoon I will be away from my computer and not able to chat until Wed. Last night I was able to find a crew photo of your Dad, though with his first crew, not Cole that he flew with 10/14. My Dad was also in the 306th, 369th BS. They got back, but he was seriously wounded. I also have a copy of the MACR record at home that I can send to you. We need to have another way to communicate though. Are you on Facebook? I started sending messages yesterday to every Susan Waldron I could find. You may notice above at your reply to me that there was not a reply back for me to use. Don't want to put my e-mail here. Let's see, two options – if on facebook look for Second Schweinfurt Memorial Memorial Association and ask to join. Also go to http://www.secondschweinfurt.ning.com and ask to join our network. There is more there than on Facebook.
I also found a 2-part article that you Dad wrote on the educational system that was developed at Stalag 17b.
YES, I would love to see the diary. I need to share other important info concerning our Mission 2012 – the 2nd Schweinfurt mission will be the Army Air Corps mission representation for the new Boeing Pavilion expansion at the National WWII museum in New Orleans. We would love to have you join our SSMA family

]]> By: Susan Waldron http://www.historynet.com/world-war-ii-eighth-air-force-raid-on-schweinfurt.htm#comment-781955 Susan Waldron Tue, 22 Nov 2011 04:54:09 +0000 #comment-781955 Sue, yes, I received the email notification of your response. And thank you! Any info you can give me would be appreciated. I know some of his history, but because of his POW experiences, he didn't really talk about this when I was a kid. By the way, I have a digital transcript of a diary he kept during the forced march of the Allied POWs just before the end of the war, if you'd be interested in seeing it. Sue, yes, I received the email notification of your response. And thank you! Any info you can give me would be appreciated. I know some of his history, but because of his POW experiences, he didn't really talk about this when I was a kid.

By the way, I have a digital transcript of a diary he kept during the forced march of the Allied POWs just before the end of the war, if you'd be interested in seeing it.

]]> By: Sue Moyer http://www.historynet.com/world-war-ii-eighth-air-force-raid-on-schweinfurt.htm#comment-781926 Sue Moyer Mon, 21 Nov 2011 21:31:00 +0000 #comment-781926 Susan, I hope you checked the e-mail follow up box. Yes, I can help you with more info on your Dad. He was in the 306 BG just like my father. My Dad was 369th BS and your Dad was 423rd. Oh I hope you get this reply. Susan, I hope you checked the e-mail follow up box. Yes, I can help you with more info on your Dad. He was in the 306 BG just like my father. My Dad was 369th BS and your Dad was 423rd. Oh I hope you get this reply.

]]> By: Susan Waldron http://www.historynet.com/world-war-ii-eighth-air-force-raid-on-schweinfurt.htm#comment-781824 Susan Waldron Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:59:26 +0000 #comment-781824 My father, Irving Mills, was a tail gunner on a plane on the second Schweinfurt raid. He was shot down over the Netherlands (before reaching the target, I believe) and in Stalag 17 until the end of the war. He has now passed away, but is there anywhere I could find the exact name of his plane and other crew members? (I know it was not his regular crew, "Mother Carey's Chickens".) My father, Irving Mills, was a tail gunner on a plane on the second Schweinfurt raid. He was shot down over the Netherlands (before reaching the target, I believe) and in Stalag 17 until the end of the war. He has now passed away, but is there anywhere I could find the exact name of his plane and other crew members? (I know it was not his regular crew, "Mother Carey's Chickens".)

]]> By: George Chase http://www.historynet.com/world-war-ii-eighth-air-force-raid-on-schweinfurt.htm#comment-617236 George Chase Fri, 24 Jun 2011 20:53:43 +0000 #comment-617236 Is there any way to find out who served as crew members on the B-17, Rose of York. Did a plane have more than one crew? Did the crew members rotate planes/missions? Is there any way to find out who served as crew members on the B-17, Rose of York. Did a plane have more than one crew? Did the crew members rotate planes/missions?

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