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		<title>By: Boltzmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boltzmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The South won. 

War is politics using other methods, and the obverse is true: What were he goals of the South? States rights, black economic and political subservience, a heirarchian agricultural society, and a &quot;Southern culture&quot; that tried to perpetuate that of England in the 1700s. Once Reconstruction ended, the South accomplishd all of those until the Seond Civil War was finally won, with the passage of the Federal - &quot;the Union&quot; - Civil Rights Acts of 1957, 1964 and the Voting Rights Act. Thousands died in the 90 years after Reconstruction, and the Battles of Mongomery and Birmingham were every bit as critical as Gettysburg and Peterburg.  For nearly a century, the South achieved its primary goals, and even now &quot;states rights&quot; and &quot;affirmative action&quot; and the Federal Government are powerful political issues. 

The South won, and has not been fully defeated even today. Those who believe in James Earl Ray know I&#039;m right; we honor Martin Luther King as a warrior, and we hope - we HOPE - that he won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The South won. </p>
<p>War is politics using other methods, and the obverse is true: What were he goals of the South? States rights, black economic and political subservience, a heirarchian agricultural society, and a &#034;Southern culture&#034; that tried to perpetuate that of England in the 1700s. Once Reconstruction ended, the South accomplishd all of those until the Seond Civil War was finally won, with the passage of the Federal &#8211; &#034;the Union&#034; &#8211; Civil Rights Acts of 1957, 1964 and the Voting Rights Act. Thousands died in the 90 years after Reconstruction, and the Battles of Mongomery and Birmingham were every bit as critical as Gettysburg and Peterburg.  For nearly a century, the South achieved its primary goals, and even now &#034;states rights&#034; and &#034;affirmative action&#034; and the Federal Government are powerful political issues. </p>
<p>The South won, and has not been fully defeated even today. Those who believe in James Earl Ray know I&#039;m right; we honor Martin Luther King as a warrior, and we hope &#8211; we HOPE &#8211; that he won.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Herko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Herko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lincoln did not campaign at all during the general election, he allowed surrogates to do speeches for him and he was not on the ballot at all in most Southern states.

And lets not forget, at this time, South Carolina which threatened secession under their home grown Andrew Jackson, did not have an election, a committee made the determination of the electors for President.

Why was there a war, the was unstoppable movement to the abolishment of the institution of slavery</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lincoln did not campaign at all during the general election, he allowed surrogates to do speeches for him and he was not on the ballot at all in most Southern states.</p>
<p>And lets not forget, at this time, South Carolina which threatened secession under their home grown Andrew Jackson, did not have an election, a committee made the determination of the electors for President.</p>
<p>Why was there a war, the was unstoppable movement to the abolishment of the institution of slavery</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 02:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are two things I recently learned about Lincoln that help explain why there was a war:
1. To make more efficient use of his campaign money in 1860 he didn&#039;t campaign at all in the South. Perhaps had he campaigned there Southerners might have disliked him less. But then again perhaps he wouldn&#039;t have won the election.
2. Lincoln believed that no Southern states would secede from the Union if he was elected in 1860. Whoops! That was a big miscalculation. But Southern states had been talking about secession for decades, so what was different this time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are two things I recently learned about Lincoln that help explain why there was a war:<br />
1. To make more efficient use of his campaign money in 1860 he didn&#039;t campaign at all in the South. Perhaps had he campaigned there Southerners might have disliked him less. But then again perhaps he wouldn&#039;t have won the election.<br />
2. Lincoln believed that no Southern states would secede from the Union if he was elected in 1860. Whoops! That was a big miscalculation. But Southern states had been talking about secession for decades, so what was different this time?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the South had one chance to win the war and it was to win it early, delivering a staggering blow before the North could gear up its war machine. I don&#039;t think Jackson&#039;s plan of invading the North and taking Philadelphia or New York would have had the effect many seem to think it would have -- it might have had the opposite effect, making the Northerners really angry and involving the entire country in the war rather than the rural people, lower classes and immigrants who provided much of the blood and muscle of the Union Army. But if it had happened early, while Lincoln paced and asked, \Where are they? Where are they?\ as he waited for the state troops to arrive, it might have forced an agreement. 

As for Grant (whose autobiography is the best I&#039;ve ever read), he was a fine tactician but a brilliant strategist, while Lee was the opposite, at best. Lee certainly had the Army of the Potomac dazzled, but I can&#039;t help but to think it was Little Mac&#039;s incompetence reflected as glory that mesmerized them more than anything Lee did, a hypnotic trance Grant later had great difficulty snapping them out of.

I find most of the comments here excellent and thoughtful, by the way -- they&#039;ve ignited reconsiderations, always entertaining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the South had one chance to win the war and it was to win it early, delivering a staggering blow before the North could gear up its war machine. I don&#039;t think Jackson&#039;s plan of invading the North and taking Philadelphia or New York would have had the effect many seem to think it would have &#8212; it might have had the opposite effect, making the Northerners really angry and involving the entire country in the war rather than the rural people, lower classes and immigrants who provided much of the blood and muscle of the Union Army. But if it had happened early, while Lincoln paced and asked, \Where are they? Where are they?\ as he waited for the state troops to arrive, it might have forced an agreement. </p>
<p>As for Grant (whose autobiography is the best I&#039;ve ever read), he was a fine tactician but a brilliant strategist, while Lee was the opposite, at best. Lee certainly had the Army of the Potomac dazzled, but I can&#039;t help but to think it was Little Mac&#039;s incompetence reflected as glory that mesmerized them more than anything Lee did, a hypnotic trance Grant later had great difficulty snapping them out of.</p>
<p>I find most of the comments here excellent and thoughtful, by the way &#8212; they&#039;ve ignited reconsiderations, always entertaining.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 23:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m always bemused by those who argue that the Civil War was unnecessary because slavery would have died out naturally.  Even if that were true, just how many years of enslaving four million and more people would they be willing to tolerate?  From the inception of the nation, we have always held slavery to be worse than death. And yet Southern apologists are willing to see this hideous institution survive for decades longer, rather than see it ended by war.

Moreover, it is by no means clear that slavery would have died out naturally. Slaves worked in some Southern factories, like the Tredegar Works.  Want to bet that trainloads of slaves couldn&#039;t have been headed North to work in factories there, or West to work in mines?  After Dred Scott, the Federal Government had no power to prevent slaveowners from taking slaves to the territories. And there was a case working its way through the federal courts toward Roger Taney&#039;s Supreme Court which stood for the proposition that even free states could not forbid slaveowners from taking slaves into those states and working them there.

Lincoln had it right: 

Fondly do we hope -- fervently do we pray -- that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue, until all the wealth piled by the bond-man&#039;s two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash, shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said \the judgments of the Lord, are true and righteous altogether.\</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m always bemused by those who argue that the Civil War was unnecessary because slavery would have died out naturally.  Even if that were true, just how many years of enslaving four million and more people would they be willing to tolerate?  From the inception of the nation, we have always held slavery to be worse than death. And yet Southern apologists are willing to see this hideous institution survive for decades longer, rather than see it ended by war.</p>
<p>Moreover, it is by no means clear that slavery would have died out naturally. Slaves worked in some Southern factories, like the Tredegar Works.  Want to bet that trainloads of slaves couldn&#039;t have been headed North to work in factories there, or West to work in mines?  After Dred Scott, the Federal Government had no power to prevent slaveowners from taking slaves to the territories. And there was a case working its way through the federal courts toward Roger Taney&#039;s Supreme Court which stood for the proposition that even free states could not forbid slaveowners from taking slaves into those states and working them there.</p>
<p>Lincoln had it right: </p>
<p>Fondly do we hope &#8212; fervently do we pray &#8212; that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue, until all the wealth piled by the bond-man&#039;s two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash, shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said \the judgments of the Lord, are true and righteous altogether.\</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most qualified military historians would disagree with your assessment of Grant.  He had the clearest strategic vision, starting with his recognition that the Tennessee and Cumberland Rivers were the gateways into the Southern interior, which led to his campaign against Forts Donelson and Henry, and continuing through his overall strategy for all Union armies in 1864 - 5.  Grant&#039;s Vicksburg campaign, in which he bypassed the forts, landed below Vicksburg, cut loose from his lines of supply to live off the land, fought and won five battles, and then invested, besieged, and took Vicksburg itself, is universally regarded as a masterpiece of operational art. His relief of the Union armies in Chattanooga, in which he reopened the supply lines and routed the Confederates who had all the high ground, was brilliant.  The Overland Campaign was not, as pro-Confederate writers still try to argue, mere butchery.  He was facing a superb opponent in a limited space (between the Appalachians and the sea) crisscrossed with several east-west flowing rivers which constituted lines of defense.  Even so, he totally outmaneuvered Lee by crossing the James, and had his subordinate commanders not hesitated, he would have taken Petersburg in the summer of 1864 and likely ended the war that year.

Also, Lee may have been a great battlefield commander, but he had to be the worst quartermaster in history.  His armies were always starving in the midst of plenty.  Grant, by contrast, was a great quartermaster, who always saw to it that his troops were well fed and well equipped. 

Finally, although Grant&#039;s losses were greater in absolute numbers, Lee&#039;s losses as a percentage of his troops were always higher than Grant&#039;s.  If the Grant of Cold Harbor was a butcher, he was no more a butcher than the Lee of Pickett&#039;s charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most qualified military historians would disagree with your assessment of Grant.  He had the clearest strategic vision, starting with his recognition that the Tennessee and Cumberland Rivers were the gateways into the Southern interior, which led to his campaign against Forts Donelson and Henry, and continuing through his overall strategy for all Union armies in 1864 &#8211; 5.  Grant&#039;s Vicksburg campaign, in which he bypassed the forts, landed below Vicksburg, cut loose from his lines of supply to live off the land, fought and won five battles, and then invested, besieged, and took Vicksburg itself, is universally regarded as a masterpiece of operational art. His relief of the Union armies in Chattanooga, in which he reopened the supply lines and routed the Confederates who had all the high ground, was brilliant.  The Overland Campaign was not, as pro-Confederate writers still try to argue, mere butchery.  He was facing a superb opponent in a limited space (between the Appalachians and the sea) crisscrossed with several east-west flowing rivers which constituted lines of defense.  Even so, he totally outmaneuvered Lee by crossing the James, and had his subordinate commanders not hesitated, he would have taken Petersburg in the summer of 1864 and likely ended the war that year.</p>
<p>Also, Lee may have been a great battlefield commander, but he had to be the worst quartermaster in history.  His armies were always starving in the midst of plenty.  Grant, by contrast, was a great quartermaster, who always saw to it that his troops were well fed and well equipped. </p>
<p>Finally, although Grant&#039;s losses were greater in absolute numbers, Lee&#039;s losses as a percentage of his troops were always higher than Grant&#039;s.  If the Grant of Cold Harbor was a butcher, he was no more a butcher than the Lee of Pickett&#039;s charge.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Herko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Herko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 19:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Lee Grant myth is a tough one to crack.

Grant was a brilliant strategist, but a very capable tactical master in his own right.  He consistantly out moved his opponents, every one of them in the West both tactically and strategically.  Grant was very capable of out manuevering Lee as well, but the Generals of the East were under Lee&#039;s spell.

The story of Grant during the Overland Campaign whittling while the battle raged and chastizing an Officer that was in his presence worrying about Lee attacking in the rear of the Army.  Grant told the Officer to focus on what the Union forces were going to do to Lee and not what Lee might do to the Union Forces.

The McClellanites (officers promoted and beholden to McClellan) were prominent members of the Army of the Potomac and Grant realized he need to do somwthing drastic to get the Army to best Lee.  After Upton&#039;s assault, Grant tried to break Lees lines at the Mule Shoe on an grand Corps level.  when his officer could not press their advantage, Grant tried to out move Lee locally, Grant could not get the Army to move at a speed he was accustomed to so he made his only real mistake of the campaign,Cold Harbor - a place that has forever tainted his reputation as a great commander.

No one remembers that Grant disengaged from Lee, jumped two rivers at three points to arrive at Petersburg with two full Corps facing less than 10,000 Confederate reservists, and Smith and Hancock let him down again.  Lee refused to acknowledge Grant was even there for more than 24 hours.  

Grant then took all of Lee&#039;s mobility away from him.  Grant pins Lee to Petersburg and Richmond and just starves him out.  As the seige progresses, Grant is able to replace McClellanites with Corps Commanders of his choosing, so by the end of the campaign, Meade, Sheridan and Ord as Army Commanders
Humphries, Griffin, Wright, Parke, Gibbon, Wetzel and Merritt for the Cavalry as Corps Commanders

This group was agile enough to break the seige and Five Forks and the Breakthough at whatis now Pamplin Park, mop up Petersburg and Richmond and still move quickly enough to block Lee at every turn right up to Appomattox Courthouse.

The Star Crossed Army of Tennessee (CSA) was a fine gorup of men, but even more cursed than the Army of the Potomac.  It could never have accomplished that mission, and for all of Hood&#039;s abilities as a fighter, he could never have pulled off such an undertaking.

What Sherman did in Georgia and the Carolinas has never been duplicated and should stand along with Ceasar&#039;s crossing of the Rhine as a remarkable Military Operation unique in the History of Warfare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Lee Grant myth is a tough one to crack.</p>
<p>Grant was a brilliant strategist, but a very capable tactical master in his own right.  He consistantly out moved his opponents, every one of them in the West both tactically and strategically.  Grant was very capable of out manuevering Lee as well, but the Generals of the East were under Lee&#039;s spell.</p>
<p>The story of Grant during the Overland Campaign whittling while the battle raged and chastizing an Officer that was in his presence worrying about Lee attacking in the rear of the Army.  Grant told the Officer to focus on what the Union forces were going to do to Lee and not what Lee might do to the Union Forces.</p>
<p>The McClellanites (officers promoted and beholden to McClellan) were prominent members of the Army of the Potomac and Grant realized he need to do somwthing drastic to get the Army to best Lee.  After Upton&#039;s assault, Grant tried to break Lees lines at the Mule Shoe on an grand Corps level.  when his officer could not press their advantage, Grant tried to out move Lee locally, Grant could not get the Army to move at a speed he was accustomed to so he made his only real mistake of the campaign,Cold Harbor &#8211; a place that has forever tainted his reputation as a great commander.</p>
<p>No one remembers that Grant disengaged from Lee, jumped two rivers at three points to arrive at Petersburg with two full Corps facing less than 10,000 Confederate reservists, and Smith and Hancock let him down again.  Lee refused to acknowledge Grant was even there for more than 24 hours.  </p>
<p>Grant then took all of Lee&#039;s mobility away from him.  Grant pins Lee to Petersburg and Richmond and just starves him out.  As the seige progresses, Grant is able to replace McClellanites with Corps Commanders of his choosing, so by the end of the campaign, Meade, Sheridan and Ord as Army Commanders<br />
Humphries, Griffin, Wright, Parke, Gibbon, Wetzel and Merritt for the Cavalry as Corps Commanders</p>
<p>This group was agile enough to break the seige and Five Forks and the Breakthough at whatis now Pamplin Park, mop up Petersburg and Richmond and still move quickly enough to block Lee at every turn right up to Appomattox Courthouse.</p>
<p>The Star Crossed Army of Tennessee (CSA) was a fine gorup of men, but even more cursed than the Army of the Potomac.  It could never have accomplished that mission, and for all of Hood&#039;s abilities as a fighter, he could never have pulled off such an undertaking.</p>
<p>What Sherman did in Georgia and the Carolinas has never been duplicated and should stand along with Ceasar&#039;s crossing of the Rhine as a remarkable Military Operation unique in the History of Warfare.</p>
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		<title>By: Titus Oates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Titus Oates</dc:creator>
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		<description>Lee faced the same problems Rommel did in Africa - an enemy able to field overwhelming numbers of men and nearly unlimited supplies.  Once the war of attrition began, the South was doomed.  I would argue that, in the strategic sense, Lee lost every battle he fought.  Each cost him men and materials his side could not easily replace.  Grant understood that; thus his methodical \grind &#039;em down\ (my phrase, not his) approach.  I also believe that Lee was very lucky at Gettysburg in that Meade chose to stand and fight a defensive battle, rather than moving to cut off Lee&#039;s retreat and suspect supply lines.  How long would Lee&#039;s formidable army have remained formidable had they been forced to live off the land, subject to constant harassment?  Indeed, how long would their ammunition have lasted?

Someone, perhaps it was \Stonewall\ Jackson, is said to have wanted to march on DC immediately after First Bull Run.  Hannibal&#039;s generals also wanted him to attack Rome immediately after Cannae.  In both cases, the commanders chose, I think wisely, not to attack a defended city in enemy territory with a battered, tired army.

The South needed a swift, smashing \knock out punch\ in the first months to win.  But I really don&#039;t think they had the wherewithal to land it, although Gen. Grant did throw out a tantalizing idea.   In 1864, when Hood had Thomas bottled up in Nashville, Grant is supposed to have growled that, had he been in Hood&#039;s position, he would have left a covering force to confine Thomas and bypassed Nashville, heading for Chicago.  Instead Hood forced a fight with Thomas and had his army virtually obliterated.  But a race for Chicago, late in the war, with all eyes on Virginia, could have been a real game changer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee faced the same problems Rommel did in Africa &#8211; an enemy able to field overwhelming numbers of men and nearly unlimited supplies.  Once the war of attrition began, the South was doomed.  I would argue that, in the strategic sense, Lee lost every battle he fought.  Each cost him men and materials his side could not easily replace.  Grant understood that; thus his methodical \grind &#039;em down\ (my phrase, not his) approach.  I also believe that Lee was very lucky at Gettysburg in that Meade chose to stand and fight a defensive battle, rather than moving to cut off Lee&#039;s retreat and suspect supply lines.  How long would Lee&#039;s formidable army have remained formidable had they been forced to live off the land, subject to constant harassment?  Indeed, how long would their ammunition have lasted?</p>
<p>Someone, perhaps it was \Stonewall\ Jackson, is said to have wanted to march on DC immediately after First Bull Run.  Hannibal&#039;s generals also wanted him to attack Rome immediately after Cannae.  In both cases, the commanders chose, I think wisely, not to attack a defended city in enemy territory with a battered, tired army.</p>
<p>The South needed a swift, smashing \knock out punch\ in the first months to win.  But I really don&#039;t think they had the wherewithal to land it, although Gen. Grant did throw out a tantalizing idea.   In 1864, when Hood had Thomas bottled up in Nashville, Grant is supposed to have growled that, had he been in Hood&#039;s position, he would have left a covering force to confine Thomas and bypassed Nashville, heading for Chicago.  Instead Hood forced a fight with Thomas and had his army virtually obliterated.  But a race for Chicago, late in the war, with all eyes on Virginia, could have been a real game changer.</p>
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		<title>By: steve em</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve em</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Apr 2013 23:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bottom line is wars are made by the powerful and fought by the powerless. America is now a corporate plutocracy in no small part due to Lincoln.those who criticize Lee are in odds with almost every major military historian in the Western World,including Winston Churchill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line is wars are made by the powerful and fought by the powerless. America is now a corporate plutocracy in no small part due to Lincoln.those who criticize Lee are in odds with almost every major military historian in the Western World,including Winston Churchill.</p>
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		<title>By: steve em</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve em</dc:creator>
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		<description>Oh, and then there were charming places like Andersonville, a still overlooked blot on the Confederacy, whose commandment was the only individual on either side executed for what amounted to war crimes.
There ewer Union prisons with higher death rates and they were not blockaded from food and medicine, The Andersonville trail was a total kangaroo court. The main witness claimed he was in the army and he was not . Contingents of soldiers went to Washington from the prison asking for Prisoner exchange and were rebuked. The commandant was not allowed to present a defense. etc,
Rebel prisoners in our hands are to be subjected to a treatment finding its parallels only in the conduct of savage tribes and resulting in the death of multitudes by the slow but designed process of starvation and by mortal diseases occasioned by insufficient and unhealthy food and wanton exposure of their persons to the inclemency of the weather....Congressional Globe, 38th Congress, 2nd session, 1/24/1865, pg. 381
Signed by Abe Lincoln
Lincoln was then told by General Dan Siegel that this would not work as the Confederates were starving from the blockade and distruction of farms. and in fact giving the union prisoners the same rations.
the North had no moral high ground it raped and pillaged its way through the south .Also the Border states did ot secede over slavery but over Lincolns draft to attack the Confederacy. Look at the order f secession for Virginia,,North Carolina,,Arkansas for instance.

The whiskey rebellion was a rebellion the south by orderly means under the constitution of their states met and choose to leave the Union. That secession was considered by many constitutional is attested to the Hartford convention were New England met to consider secession.
Two states Massachusetts and Virginia had in their state 
constitution the prerogative to leave the Union. The Communist Chinese have in fact brought up Abraham Lincoln as an example of why they should be allowed to take over Taiwan and Tibet..

the fact remains that Lincoln was the cause of the war as he decided that states did not have the right to secede and thus invaded them. Whether he was constitutionally right is a moot point.
Also the deep south did secede over the economic issue of slavery, This is not true of the border states.. Sherman targeted Civilians, executed some. The north was as virulently racist as the south with a few exceptions  Certainly Lincoln was just read the Douglas debates.Lincoln had thousands arrested without writ, he has opposing newspapers burned downed .n the blistering summer of 1861, President Lincoln began pressuring and ordering the physical shutdown of any Northern newspaper that voiced opposition to the war. These attacks were sometimes carried out by soldiers, sometimes by angry mobs under cover of darkness. Either way, the effect was a complete dismantling of the free press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and then there were charming places like Andersonville, a still overlooked blot on the Confederacy, whose commandment was the only individual on either side executed for what amounted to war crimes.<br />
There ewer Union prisons with higher death rates and they were not blockaded from food and medicine, The Andersonville trail was a total kangaroo court. The main witness claimed he was in the army and he was not . Contingents of soldiers went to Washington from the prison asking for Prisoner exchange and were rebuked. The commandant was not allowed to present a defense. etc,<br />
Rebel prisoners in our hands are to be subjected to a treatment finding its parallels only in the conduct of savage tribes and resulting in the death of multitudes by the slow but designed process of starvation and by mortal diseases occasioned by insufficient and unhealthy food and wanton exposure of their persons to the inclemency of the weather&#8230;.Congressional Globe, 38th Congress, 2nd session, 1/24/1865, pg. 381<br />
Signed by Abe Lincoln<br />
Lincoln was then told by General Dan Siegel that this would not work as the Confederates were starving from the blockade and distruction of farms. and in fact giving the union prisoners the same rations.<br />
the North had no moral high ground it raped and pillaged its way through the south .Also the Border states did ot secede over slavery but over Lincolns draft to attack the Confederacy. Look at the order f secession for Virginia,,North Carolina,,Arkansas for instance.</p>
<p>The whiskey rebellion was a rebellion the south by orderly means under the constitution of their states met and choose to leave the Union. That secession was considered by many constitutional is attested to the Hartford convention were New England met to consider secession.<br />
Two states Massachusetts and Virginia had in their state<br />
constitution the prerogative to leave the Union. The Communist Chinese have in fact brought up Abraham Lincoln as an example of why they should be allowed to take over Taiwan and Tibet..</p>
<p>the fact remains that Lincoln was the cause of the war as he decided that states did not have the right to secede and thus invaded them. Whether he was constitutionally right is a moot point.<br />
Also the deep south did secede over the economic issue of slavery, This is not true of the border states.. Sherman targeted Civilians, executed some. The north was as virulently racist as the south with a few exceptions  Certainly Lincoln was just read the Douglas debates.Lincoln had thousands arrested without writ, he has opposing newspapers burned downed .n the blistering summer of 1861, President Lincoln began pressuring and ordering the physical shutdown of any Northern newspaper that voiced opposition to the war. These attacks were sometimes carried out by soldiers, sometimes by angry mobs under cover of darkness. Either way, the effect was a complete dismantling of the free press.</p>
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