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		<title>By: Don Powers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Powers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always believed that the stories of Grant&#039;s drinking have been overblown.  Most of the people in the United States at that time drank more heavily than is now the standard, and no doubt Grant did as well.

That does not make him a drunk, unable to function.  During the war he had many enemies, besides the Confederates.  He was not a general in the regular army until after his defeat of Vicksburg.  Up until them he was a Major General of volunteers in the Army of Ohio.  As such, he was not considered as worthy of holding the command that he held, by his regular army equals.  Even after Lincoln promoted Halleck to General-in-Chief, and moved him to Washington, he did not name a replacement for him.  That left Grant in charge as the highest ranking officer.  If Lincoln had named him to replace Halleck, the noise from Grant&#039;s detractors would have been overwhelming.

After the fall of Vicksburg, Lincoln was able to move him to the regular army, and then name him as commander of the Western Theater.

However, his enemies had already started picking on him over the drinking issue, and that has not relented until the present day.

To say that Grant never overindulged might be a little too much, but to say that he was so drunk that he didn&#039;t know what he was doing is stupid.  He led too many successful campaigns for that to have been a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always believed that the stories of Grant&#039;s drinking have been overblown.  Most of the people in the United States at that time drank more heavily than is now the standard, and no doubt Grant did as well.</p>
<p>That does not make him a drunk, unable to function.  During the war he had many enemies, besides the Confederates.  He was not a general in the regular army until after his defeat of Vicksburg.  Up until them he was a Major General of volunteers in the Army of Ohio.  As such, he was not considered as worthy of holding the command that he held, by his regular army equals.  Even after Lincoln promoted Halleck to General-in-Chief, and moved him to Washington, he did not name a replacement for him.  That left Grant in charge as the highest ranking officer.  If Lincoln had named him to replace Halleck, the noise from Grant&#039;s detractors would have been overwhelming.</p>
<p>After the fall of Vicksburg, Lincoln was able to move him to the regular army, and then name him as commander of the Western Theater.</p>
<p>However, his enemies had already started picking on him over the drinking issue, and that has not relented until the present day.</p>
<p>To say that Grant never overindulged might be a little too much, but to say that he was so drunk that he didn&#039;t know what he was doing is stupid.  He led too many successful campaigns for that to have been a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: John Beatty</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/who-kept-u-s-grant-sober.htm#comment-256955</link>
		<dc:creator>John Beatty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Redman

The evidence clearly shows that Buell&#039;s arrival at Shiloh was after the crisis was over.  Beauregard&#039;s army was no danger to Grant&#039;s after about 5 in the afternoon on 6 April.  Only three brigades of Nelson&#039;s division arrived before dark, and they without artillery.  The fighting was over long before most of Buell&#039;s people got across.  

The counterattack on 7 April was conducted primarily by Lew Wallace and Grant&#039;s remnants.  Buell&#039;s people were important, but were neither vital or decisive in the battle.   Buell&#039;s partisans, Grant-haters to a fault, have argued otherwise against evidence and even against what Buell himself wrote after the battle.

Besides, the article is about Grant and Rawlins, not Shiloh.

Very nice piece, Peter; I&#039;ll have to borrow from it.  We&#039;ll talk next time you&#039;re in town.</description>
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<p>The evidence clearly shows that Buell&#039;s arrival at Shiloh was after the crisis was over.  Beauregard&#039;s army was no danger to Grant&#039;s after about 5 in the afternoon on 6 April.  Only three brigades of Nelson&#039;s division arrived before dark, and they without artillery.  The fighting was over long before most of Buell&#039;s people got across.  </p>
<p>The counterattack on 7 April was conducted primarily by Lew Wallace and Grant&#039;s remnants.  Buell&#039;s people were important, but were neither vital or decisive in the battle.   Buell&#039;s partisans, Grant-haters to a fault, have argued otherwise against evidence and even against what Buell himself wrote after the battle.</p>
<p>Besides, the article is about Grant and Rawlins, not Shiloh.</p>
<p>Very nice piece, Peter; I&#039;ll have to borrow from it.  We&#039;ll talk next time you&#039;re in town.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark H. Moulton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark H. Moulton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this to be an interesting and enjoyable article.  Not being a Civil War history buff, I can&#039;t comment on its historical merits.  But the article does seem to shed light on why Grant said so little about Rawlins in his autobiography.  Rawlins as loyal aid is one story.  Rawlins as Grant&#039;s military genius and firebrand is quite another.  Great men sometimes become curiously blind to the importance of their subordinates.

That said, it would be incorrect to deny Grant&#039;s central role.  Rawlins could have done nothing without Grant.  As in many cases, it is the fortuitous combination of complementary personalities that created the formidable new entity that decided the War -- in this case, Grant, Rawlins, Sherman, and a few others.  And let us not forget their chief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this to be an interesting and enjoyable article.  Not being a Civil War history buff, I can&#039;t comment on its historical merits.  But the article does seem to shed light on why Grant said so little about Rawlins in his autobiography.  Rawlins as loyal aid is one story.  Rawlins as Grant&#039;s military genius and firebrand is quite another.  Great men sometimes become curiously blind to the importance of their subordinates.</p>
<p>That said, it would be incorrect to deny Grant&#039;s central role.  Rawlins could have done nothing without Grant.  As in many cases, it is the fortuitous combination of complementary personalities that created the formidable new entity that decided the War &#8212; in this case, Grant, Rawlins, Sherman, and a few others.  And let us not forget their chief.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Redman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Redman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the moderator who removed my factual and reasoned observations about Cozzen&#039;s article, you are a jerk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the moderator who removed my factual and reasoned observations about Cozzen&#039;s article, you are a jerk.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Redman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Redman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Cozzens doesn&#039;t mention the arrival of Buell and the decisive contribution of his army in saving Grant at Shiloh. He downplays Hooker&#039;s crucial role in in getting behind Bragg&#039;s left flank at Chattanooga. See my page on Stewart&#039;s Division&#039;s Reports (www.aotc.net/chatt-stewart.htm) to see how the Confederate defenders viewed Hooker&#039;s &quot;foundering.&quot; He doesn&#039;t even refer to his own book on Iuka where he made a very strong case for Grant having been drunk and unable or unwilling to direct Ord to join the battle. And I don&#039;t want to hear about acoustic shadow. Ord was about 3 miles away as the crow flies, and Grant was 8 miles away on an evening with no wind at all, according to people present. He doesn&#039;t mention Grant&#039;s little excursion to New Orleans without Rawlins. The article is a nice portrait of Rawlins, but seems hastily written.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Cozzens doesn&#039;t mention the arrival of Buell and the decisive contribution of his army in saving Grant at Shiloh. He downplays Hooker&#039;s crucial role in in getting behind Bragg&#039;s left flank at Chattanooga. See my page on Stewart&#039;s Division&#039;s Reports (www.aotc.net/chatt-stewart.htm) to see how the Confederate defenders viewed Hooker&#039;s &#034;foundering.&#034; He doesn&#039;t even refer to his own book on Iuka where he made a very strong case for Grant having been drunk and unable or unwilling to direct Ord to join the battle. And I don&#039;t want to hear about acoustic shadow. Ord was about 3 miles away as the crow flies, and Grant was 8 miles away on an evening with no wind at all, according to people present. He doesn&#039;t mention Grant&#039;s little excursion to New Orleans without Rawlins. The article is a nice portrait of Rawlins, but seems hastily written.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Cozzens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Cozzens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, Ms. Webster, you&#039;re right - and I know and knew that. I slipped up in calling it a &quot;general&quot; store. But I stand by the rest. He was a clerk, in name and in fact, when he was not on the road. Matter of where you want to put the emphasis.    

I think you&#039;re a bit harsh - and engaging in hyperbole - calling into question the veracity of everything in a story because of one error, but that&#039;s your privilege of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, Ms. Webster, you&#039;re right &#8211; and I know and knew that. I slipped up in calling it a &#034;general&#034; store. But I stand by the rest. He was a clerk, in name and in fact, when he was not on the road. Matter of where you want to put the emphasis.    </p>
<p>I think you&#039;re a bit harsh &#8211; and engaging in hyperbole &#8211; calling into question the veracity of everything in a story because of one error, but that&#039;s your privilege of course.</p>
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		<title>By: History Roundup 10-23-2009 &#171; Great History</title>
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		<dc:creator>History Roundup 10-23-2009 &#171; Great History</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] HistoryNet.com, we have an article on General Grant and his drinking. There is an article looking at the problems of the American health care system. Robert Citino [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Who kept Ulysses S. Grant sober &#171; Hot Corner Blues</title>
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		<dc:creator>Who kept Ulysses S. Grant sober &#171; Hot Corner Blues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] kept Ulysses S. Grant&#160;sober  John Rawlins, that&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kathleen Webster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen Webster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This story is factually incorrect. Grant didn&#039;t &quot;shuffle around his father&#039;s general store&quot;. It was a leather store and harness shop.  He was the hide buyer, and spent a great deal of his time on the road, traveling up and down the Mississippi, buying the tanned hides that they used to make the harnesses, saddles and other leather items that they sold in the store.  The author&#039;s errors call into question the veracity of the rest of the story! Do you plan to run a correction?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This story is factually incorrect. Grant didn&#039;t &#034;shuffle around his father&#039;s general store&#034;. It was a leather store and harness shop.  He was the hide buyer, and spent a great deal of his time on the road, traveling up and down the Mississippi, buying the tanned hides that they used to make the harnesses, saddles and other leather items that they sold in the store.  The author&#039;s errors call into question the veracity of the rest of the story! Do you plan to run a correction?</p>
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