Comments on: What was the darkest day in American history? http://www.historynet.com/what-was-the-darkest-day-in-american-history.htm From the World's Largest History Magazine Publisher Fri, 24 May 2013 21:00:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Jim Ross http://www.historynet.com/what-was-the-darkest-day-in-american-history.htm#comment-990685 Jim Ross Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:54:02 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/what-was-the-darkest-day-in-american-history.htm#comment-990685 The first election of Barack Hussein Obama. The first election of Barack Hussein Obama.

]]> By: Santiago http://www.historynet.com/what-was-the-darkest-day-in-american-history.htm#comment-899954 Santiago Fri, 22 Feb 2013 05:58:48 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/what-was-the-darkest-day-in-american-history.htm#comment-899954 Centurion 47...very interesting comments about the Philippine theatre and the tragedy of Bataan and the resultant 'death march.' I grew up hearing of the horrors of this march since many of the boys from my mothers high school (Athol Mass) never came home. My uncle escaped on the last hospital boat out of the Philippines and was evacuated to Australia. My love and knowledge of the brave Americans and Filipinos is the highest, but I don't think those brave men could have stood very long on the isolated island of Corregidor in the middle of Manila Harbor. I do agree that FDR did abandon many fine officers, both in Hawaii and the far east during this period and he was little concerned about them, just about the European Theatre and the help we'd give Churchill and Uncle Joe Stalin. Centurion 47…very interesting comments about the Philippine theatre and the tragedy of Bataan and the resultant 'death march.' I grew up hearing of the horrors of this march since many of the boys from my mothers high school (Athol Mass) never came home. My uncle escaped on the last hospital boat out of the Philippines and was evacuated to Australia. My love and knowledge of the brave Americans and Filipinos is the highest, but I don't think those brave men could have stood very long on the isolated island of Corregidor in the middle of Manila Harbor. I do agree that FDR did abandon many fine officers, both in Hawaii and the far east during this period and he was little concerned about them, just about the European Theatre and the help we'd give Churchill and Uncle Joe Stalin.

]]> By: Santiago http://www.historynet.com/what-was-the-darkest-day-in-american-history.htm#comment-899949 Santiago Fri, 22 Feb 2013 05:47:28 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/what-was-the-darkest-day-in-american-history.htm#comment-899949 Shooter1001...I was harsh toward you in an earlier comment about the royal wedding of Kate and Willy boy...but you are very perceptive on this point and, I suspect, on most issues of import. Your analysis of FDR and the group surrounding him during his four terms as president are very accurate, as research and facts have abundantly confirmed during the years since his death. We have known reaped the maelstrom of his socialist experiments during that period and the demographics of takers has now arced to the point we may be on the downside of an irreversible trend. Compliments to you on such perception regarding these critical issues and forgive the rather admonishing tone of my comments about Will & Kate and the Brits. Shooter1001…I was harsh toward you in an earlier comment about the royal wedding of Kate and Willy boy…but you are very perceptive on this point and, I suspect, on most issues of import. Your analysis of FDR and the group surrounding him during his four terms as president are very accurate, as research and facts have abundantly confirmed during the years since his death. We have known reaped the maelstrom of his socialist experiments during that period and the demographics of takers has now arced to the point we may be on the downside of an irreversible trend. Compliments to you on such perception regarding these critical issues and forgive the rather admonishing tone of my comments about Will & Kate and the Brits.

]]> By: Santiago http://www.historynet.com/what-was-the-darkest-day-in-american-history.htm#comment-899929 Santiago Fri, 22 Feb 2013 05:23:46 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/what-was-the-darkest-day-in-american-history.htm#comment-899929 Drew, please, don't insult the intelligence of the readers. I don't know how old you are, but it appears you are of the younger generation that thinks until cell phones and the insipid texting that most engage in, there was only bonfires and flag messages. Radio and telegraph communications were well established in 1941. Washington claimed at the Pearl Harbor hearings (five in all) they had communications trouble. Evidence now shatters that shameful excuse, but given what we know now about the code breaking and how far in advance of the attack we knew about it, they could have attached a note to a carrier pigeon and still made it on time. Many more interesting facts are coming out about the so-called flat-footed surprise of the Pacific Fleet...and the carriers were not in Pearl at the time, just the aging and almost obsolete battleships which were totally expendable, as were two patriotic commanders (Admiral Husband Kimmel and Gen. Short) who were made the scapegoats for FDR's greatest gift, i.e., excuse to get into WW II and aid Churchill and England. Drew, please, don't insult the intelligence of the readers. I don't know how old you are, but it appears you are of the younger generation that thinks until cell phones and the insipid texting that most engage in, there was only bonfires and flag messages. Radio and telegraph communications were well established in 1941. Washington claimed at the Pearl Harbor hearings (five in all) they had communications trouble. Evidence now shatters that shameful excuse, but given what we know now about the code breaking and how far in advance of the attack we knew about it, they could have attached a note to a carrier pigeon and still made it on time. Many more interesting facts are coming out about the so-called flat-footed surprise of the Pacific Fleet…and the carriers were not in Pearl at the time, just the aging and almost obsolete battleships which were totally expendable, as were two patriotic commanders (Admiral Husband Kimmel and Gen. Short) who were made the scapegoats for FDR's greatest gift, i.e., excuse to get into WW II and aid Churchill and England.

]]> By: 3tourVietnamVet http://www.historynet.com/what-was-the-darkest-day-in-american-history.htm#comment-880688 3tourVietnamVet Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:33:07 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/what-was-the-darkest-day-in-american-history.htm#comment-880688 Michael, I believe that the US has a longstanding habit of commercial dealings with former combatants. Have you seen a Toyota, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes, Porsche or Fiat dealership today? I would bet my last dollar that you have seen at least two of those if not more! If a person really wanted to get technical, President Eisenhower got us 'involved' in Vietnam long before the Gulf of Tonkin incident. The first recorded 'combat' casualty of the Vietnam Conflict was in 1959. The last in 1975. I personally believe that there were many more than one dark day in American history during the Vietnam Conflict, since it never was offically declared a war. Those days started around Dec. 11, 1968, when my second combat tour ended. That was the day I stepped off of a Pan Am flight back to the 'world' in San Francisco. I was in uniform, having changed out of 13 day old fatigues on the return flight into my dress blues on the flight. I was very proud of my service, my DFC and Bronze Star with a V device attached. When I exited a restroom in the airport, I was hit in the forehead with a rotten tomato. An egg hit my ribbon rack a few seconds later. Followed by a volley of spitballs on my cheek. Words like 'baby killer', 'murderer' and the like came next. That day was repeated hundreds of thousand times, I am sure. Experienced by other proud young men called upon to do a tough job. Most people refer to the WW II veterans as the Greatest Generation. I disagree. It is VERY easy to go off to fight a war when the whole country throughs parades and parties when you come home. It is entirely a different matter when you come home to verbal and physical abuse because you did your duty, as you saw it. The military has always been, as intended, an apolitical entity. Men serve because of words like honor and duty. And they fight, and die, because of words like buddy, friend, comrade, neighbor and a whole host of other nouns. I know of not even draftee, that I knew, who didn't do his best to keep his buddies alive, regardless of their personal opinions about the war. By the way, I still have that egg covered ribbon rack. Proudly displayed in my den. I later added a Silver Star to it during my 3rd combat tour. I am delighted to see that MOST of the current US civilian population is now able to respect and honor the veterans returning from a seemingly unpopular war. Maybe, just maybe, the endurance and resolve of the millions of Vietnam Veterans who 'suffered in silence and despair', when we came home, was worth it afterall. I would like to close with a hardy \WELCOME HOME\ and a salute of honor to the more than 2 million Americans who served in S.E. Asia. Michael,

I believe that the US has a longstanding habit of commercial dealings with former combatants. Have you seen a Toyota, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes, Porsche or Fiat dealership today? I would bet my last dollar that you have seen at least two of those if not more!

If a person really wanted to get technical, President Eisenhower got us 'involved' in Vietnam long before the Gulf of Tonkin incident. The first recorded 'combat' casualty of the Vietnam Conflict was in 1959. The last in 1975.

I personally believe that there were many more than one dark day in American history during the Vietnam Conflict, since it never was offically declared a war. Those days started around Dec. 11, 1968, when my second combat tour ended. That was the day I stepped off of a Pan Am flight back to the 'world' in San Francisco. I was in uniform, having changed out of 13 day old fatigues on the return flight into my dress blues on the flight. I was very proud of my service, my DFC and Bronze Star with a V device attached. When I exited a restroom in the airport, I was hit in the forehead with a rotten tomato. An egg hit my ribbon rack a few seconds later. Followed by a volley of spitballs on my cheek. Words like 'baby killer', 'murderer' and the like came next.

That day was repeated hundreds of thousand times, I am sure. Experienced by other proud young men called upon to do a tough job.

Most people refer to the WW II veterans as the Greatest Generation. I disagree. It is VERY easy to go off to fight a war when the whole country throughs parades and parties when you come home. It is entirely a different matter when you come home to verbal and physical abuse because you did your duty, as you saw it.

The military has always been, as intended, an apolitical entity. Men serve because of words like honor and duty. And they fight, and die, because of words like buddy, friend, comrade, neighbor and a whole host of other nouns. I know of not even draftee, that I knew, who didn't do his best to keep his buddies alive, regardless of their personal opinions about the war.

By the way, I still have that egg covered ribbon rack. Proudly displayed in my den. I later added a Silver Star to it during my 3rd combat tour.

I am delighted to see that MOST of the current US civilian population is now able to respect and honor the veterans returning from a seemingly unpopular war. Maybe, just maybe, the endurance and resolve of the millions of Vietnam Veterans who 'suffered in silence and despair', when we came home, was worth it afterall.

I would like to close with a hardy \WELCOME HOME\ and a salute of honor to the more than 2 million Americans who served in S.E. Asia.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.historynet.com/what-was-the-darkest-day-in-american-history.htm#comment-871294 Kevin Sat, 09 Feb 2013 02:33:54 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/what-was-the-darkest-day-in-american-history.htm#comment-871294 actually the war had not ended, lee had surrendered but there had been no formal surrender by the confederate government,there was also confederate armies still in the field. actually the war had not ended, lee had surrendered but there had been no formal surrender by the confederate government,there was also confederate armies still in the field.

]]> By: Mathias http://www.historynet.com/what-was-the-darkest-day-in-american-history.htm#comment-870943 Mathias Fri, 08 Feb 2013 19:39:51 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/what-was-the-darkest-day-in-american-history.htm#comment-870943 The day Obama became president and when he was re-elected. The re-election just showed how much of sheeple we really are. (those who voted for him anyways) The day Obama became president and when he was re-elected. The re-election just showed how much of sheeple we really are. (those who voted for him anyways)

]]> By: George Henrique Kling de Moraes http://www.historynet.com/what-was-the-darkest-day-in-american-history.htm#comment-866749 George Henrique Kling de Moraes Wed, 06 Feb 2013 11:39:55 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/what-was-the-darkest-day-in-american-history.htm#comment-866749 When I was in the USA from 1976 to 1980 we foreigners use to say that amercian society was been destroyed because family was being destroyed also. From that time to now several changes occurred: gay and lesbian marriage, pornography, several new churches with different Bible interpretation, etc, women in front line, etc, etc. But the tendency to fight localized wars it is common: Panama, Grenade, Lebanon, Iraq, Afeganistan, and so on. Well, the USA continue the number one country in the world. Everybody wants to stablish there. But one thing it is a fact all empires went down. USA also will fall down probably 1000 years form now. George Moraes When I was in the USA from 1976 to 1980 we foreigners use to say that amercian society was been destroyed because family was being destroyed also. From that time to now several changes occurred: gay and lesbian marriage, pornography, several new churches with different Bible interpretation, etc, women in front line, etc, etc. But the tendency to fight localized wars it is common: Panama, Grenade, Lebanon, Iraq, Afeganistan, and so on. Well, the USA continue the number one country in the world. Everybody wants to stablish there. But one thing it is a fact all empires went down. USA also will fall down probably 1000 years form now. George Moraes

]]> By: No Secrets http://www.historynet.com/what-was-the-darkest-day-in-american-history.htm#comment-865779 No Secrets Wed, 06 Feb 2013 00:17:52 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/what-was-the-darkest-day-in-american-history.htm#comment-865779 Fab73, not science fiction that the commies in our government are working to destroy our 2nd Amendment and issuing Orders and Bills to take guns away from Americans. Do you understand communism vs freedom and our Constitution, Amendments, Founding documents? Fab73, not science fiction that the commies in our government are working to destroy our 2nd Amendment and issuing Orders and Bills to take guns away from Americans. Do you understand communism vs freedom and our Constitution, Amendments, Founding documents?

]]> By: jmohlinger http://www.historynet.com/what-was-the-darkest-day-in-american-history.htm#comment-865127 jmohlinger Tue, 05 Feb 2013 17:13:26 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/what-was-the-darkest-day-in-american-history.htm#comment-865127 America can only ever be defeated by herself...... Well stated! America can only ever be defeated by herself……
Well stated!

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