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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At WHAT POINT are people going to QUIT using EXCUSES for what the &quot;white man&quot; has done to them......and GET UP AND DO SOMETHING WITH THE LIFE THEY HAVE NOW!?! We CANT change History. NOTHING AT ALL can be done for EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS SEEN EVIL in THEIR lives....or been TREATED BADLY.
And WHAT will $$$$$ do to HELP THEM get OVER their PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS history? Every SINGLE nationality has seen SOME kind of EVIL towards THEIR nationality. Why should a WHITE MAN PAY ANYTHING for BEING WHITE???? I KNOW I did NOT have ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN HISTORY...so WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO REPAY ANYONE FOR THEIR HARDSHIP in life NOW???? Quit looking in the past for an EXCUSE to use today!
I QUARANTEE if ANY of THESE indians WANTED to GO WHERE THE WORK IS....LIKE MOST AMERICANS...THEY TOO could work, have a home and a GOOD life........but INSTEAD....LIKE SO MANY nationalities in this country....THEY would RATHER blame the white man for being a STRONG nationality and MAKING THEIR WAY IN LIFE...using the SAME resources AVAILABLE to ALL in THIS COUNTRY!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At WHAT POINT are people going to QUIT using EXCUSES for what the &#8220;white man&#8221; has done to them&#8230;&#8230;and GET UP AND DO SOMETHING WITH THE LIFE THEY HAVE NOW!?! We CANT change History. NOTHING AT ALL can be done for EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS SEEN EVIL in THEIR lives&#8230;.or been TREATED BADLY.<br />
And WHAT will $$$$$ do to HELP THEM get OVER their PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS history? Every SINGLE nationality has seen SOME kind of EVIL towards THEIR nationality. Why should a WHITE MAN PAY ANYTHING for BEING WHITE???? I KNOW I did NOT have ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN HISTORY&#8230;so WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO REPAY ANYONE FOR THEIR HARDSHIP in life NOW???? Quit looking in the past for an EXCUSE to use today!<br />
I QUARANTEE if ANY of THESE indians WANTED to GO WHERE THE WORK IS&#8230;.LIKE MOST AMERICANS&#8230;THEY TOO could work, have a home and a GOOD life&#8230;&#8230;..but INSTEAD&#8230;.LIKE SO MANY nationalities in this country&#8230;.THEY would RATHER blame the white man for being a STRONG nationality and MAKING THEIR WAY IN LIFE&#8230;using the SAME resources AVAILABLE to ALL in THIS COUNTRY!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t owe the Native Americans anything. Civilizations have always risen up to expand their territories and history has shown that the weaker civilizations have always fallen to the smaller ones. It happened with the Romans, it happened with the Mongols, it happened with the US in this case, and it even happened with Germany and Japan in World War II. I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s right or wrong, this is just the way it is and always will be; the stronger civilization will always overpower the weaker one: WAR is not meant to be a fair fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t owe the Native Americans anything. Civilizations have always risen up to expand their territories and history has shown that the weaker civilizations have always fallen to the smaller ones. It happened with the Romans, it happened with the Mongols, it happened with the US in this case, and it even happened with Germany and Japan in World War II. I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s right or wrong, this is just the way it is and always will be; the stronger civilization will always overpower the weaker one: WAR is not meant to be a fair fight.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/what-do-we-owe-the-indians.htm/comment-page-1#comment-129470</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the first thing we owe the Indians is an honest look at history. The rationalizations used for destruction of tribal sovereignty, especially after the American Revolution, were mostly bogus and inspired by greed. The sort of racism used to make this process palatable has been a staple of American culture ever since, though it has improved in the last 30 years or so. The most comprehensive destruction of American Indians, incidentally, took place in California, where the tribes were small, scattered, and not very warlike. Many of the warrior tribes are more numerous today than they were at the time of contact. The peaceful tribes were largely exterminated. However there are some doubts about the smallpox-in-the-blankets stories -- smallpox contagion was probably accident. Wounded Knee took place in 1890, not 1861, and the weapons were Hotchkiss guns, not Gatling guns. The murder of a large number of women and children, however, is completely factual. Both sides did this -- but in movies or the older history books, only the Indians did it....I think all unused land contiguous to or adjacent to large groups of Indians should be returned to the control of tribal governments for use in farming, ranching, gathering, tourism, whatever and that transfer of land now leased to ranchers should not be allowed beyond the linear family. American Indians are exceptionally intelligent people and given an absence of government and corporate interference they could probably cure their own &quot;poverty problem&quot; in a single generation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the first thing we owe the Indians is an honest look at history. The rationalizations used for destruction of tribal sovereignty, especially after the American Revolution, were mostly bogus and inspired by greed. The sort of racism used to make this process palatable has been a staple of American culture ever since, though it has improved in the last 30 years or so. The most comprehensive destruction of American Indians, incidentally, took place in California, where the tribes were small, scattered, and not very warlike. Many of the warrior tribes are more numerous today than they were at the time of contact. The peaceful tribes were largely exterminated. However there are some doubts about the smallpox-in-the-blankets stories &#8212; smallpox contagion was probably accident. Wounded Knee took place in 1890, not 1861, and the weapons were Hotchkiss guns, not Gatling guns. The murder of a large number of women and children, however, is completely factual. Both sides did this &#8212; but in movies or the older history books, only the Indians did it&#8230;.I think all unused land contiguous to or adjacent to large groups of Indians should be returned to the control of tribal governments for use in farming, ranching, gathering, tourism, whatever and that transfer of land now leased to ranchers should not be allowed beyond the linear family. American Indians are exceptionally intelligent people and given an absence of government and corporate interference they could probably cure their own &#8220;poverty problem&#8221; in a single generation.</p>
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		<title>By: S. Wesley Mcgranor</title>
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		<dc:creator>S. Wesley Mcgranor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We dont owe the Indians anything...

P.S. Stop eminent domain abuse!</description>
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<p>P.S. Stop eminent domain abuse!</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Sumrak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Sumrak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Klein,
With all due respect, I don’t know how your comment is pertinent to this discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Klein,<br />
With all due respect, I don’t know how your comment is pertinent to this discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilfred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilfred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Kathy Wise, 
  
I just read an article that you wrote for the June 2009 issue of Cowboys and Indians magazine concerning Apache Skateboards. 
It seemed rather odd that none of the Indians in the photographs are smiling. I have been around Mescalero Apaches for over a half century and they smile a lot. Same goes for the various Pueblo Indians I’ve known in New Mexico . 
They know how lucky they are to have a choice between the culture of the red man and that of the white man. They also get preferential treatment should they choose get a college education and get money from the U.S. Government each month whether they work or not. 
Maybe the people of San Carlos are different than other Indians. 
There was a statement you made about Miles’ being concerned about “owning the new imagery without being culturally hijacked”. The imagery shown in the magazine isn’t new. It appears to be a combination of ‘70’s era biker graffiti, amateur reproductions of old photos of Geronimo with a touch of Mexican influence, just a touch of the geometrical designs found on Mimbres pottery and one Texas Ranger star. 
These people have a lot more to be proud of than painting skate boards. I wish you would give them more credit. 
  As far as the overall treatment fo the Amerinds is concerned, we have been very charitable in comparison to the way the indiginous people of Argentina were exterminated/exiled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Kathy Wise, </p>
<p>I just read an article that you wrote for the June 2009 issue of Cowboys and Indians magazine concerning Apache Skateboards.<br />
It seemed rather odd that none of the Indians in the photographs are smiling. I have been around Mescalero Apaches for over a half century and they smile a lot. Same goes for the various Pueblo Indians I’ve known in New Mexico .<br />
They know how lucky they are to have a choice between the culture of the red man and that of the white man. They also get preferential treatment should they choose get a college education and get money from the U.S. Government each month whether they work or not.<br />
Maybe the people of San Carlos are different than other Indians.<br />
There was a statement you made about Miles’ being concerned about “owning the new imagery without being culturally hijacked”. The imagery shown in the magazine isn’t new. It appears to be a combination of ‘70’s era biker graffiti, amateur reproductions of old photos of Geronimo with a touch of Mexican influence, just a touch of the geometrical designs found on Mimbres pottery and one Texas Ranger star.<br />
These people have a lot more to be proud of than painting skate boards. I wish you would give them more credit.<br />
  As far as the overall treatment fo the Amerinds is concerned, we have been very charitable in comparison to the way the indiginous people of Argentina were exterminated/exiled.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Asa-Dorian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Asa-Dorian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unenlightened Jim Article 6/5/09

&quot;The Indians were killing themselves before the White man even got here.&quot;~ True! the American Indian Tribes were battling each other for prestige, hunting grounds &amp; tribal honor. The way in which they conducted their battles is where you lost your case! Study the acts of, &quot;counting coup&quot;. Any blow struck against the enemy counted as a coup, but the most prestigious acts included touching an enemy warrior, with the hand or with a coup stick, then escaping unharmed. Some American Indian Tribes used Lacrosse, originating in the Indian nations of mid-America. In many Native American societies/tribes, the ball sport was often part of religious ritual, played to resolve conflicts, heal the sick, develop strong, virile men and prepare for war. 
As you stated in your article, &quot;So we did what they were already doing.&quot; No we did not! The Great White Chief in Washington, killed by an act of attrition or genocide, which US Presidents guised as, Manifest Destiny: A doctrine used to rationalize U.S. territorial expansion in the 1840s and 1850s.  
Jim stated, &quot;The Indian’s problem was really their numbers. There weren’t millions of Indians here on the continent, most tribes numbered in hundreds vs. thousands of people. Millions of Europeans and other nationalities resettled in this country and almost immediately outnumbered the indians.&quot; Wrong again! Columbus did not set foot on North America until 1492. It took 350 years for the non-native settlers to outnumber the American Indian population. As for the spred of infectious disease and the use of heinous weaponry now you&#039;re on to something! The US Calvary distributed infectious blankets (chemical warfare of the time) to the American Indians on reservations devastating mass populations. The Gatling Gun of 1861 used at Wounded Knee, burning of whole villages of women &amp; children while sleeping inside their tipis were all methods by which to kill off the American Indian population. All of  these methods were commonplace practices for the elimination of the American Indian now considered illegal under the rules established by the Geneva Convention. 
Hope that clears things up for you, Jim</description>
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<p>&#8220;The Indians were killing themselves before the White man even got here.&#8221;~ True! the American Indian Tribes were battling each other for prestige, hunting grounds &amp; tribal honor. The way in which they conducted their battles is where you lost your case! Study the acts of, &#8220;counting coup&#8221;. Any blow struck against the enemy counted as a coup, but the most prestigious acts included touching an enemy warrior, with the hand or with a coup stick, then escaping unharmed. Some American Indian Tribes used Lacrosse, originating in the Indian nations of mid-America. In many Native American societies/tribes, the ball sport was often part of religious ritual, played to resolve conflicts, heal the sick, develop strong, virile men and prepare for war.<br />
As you stated in your article, &#8220;So we did what they were already doing.&#8221; No we did not! The Great White Chief in Washington, killed by an act of attrition or genocide, which US Presidents guised as, Manifest Destiny: A doctrine used to rationalize U.S. territorial expansion in the 1840s and 1850s.<br />
Jim stated, &#8220;The Indian’s problem was really their numbers. There weren’t millions of Indians here on the continent, most tribes numbered in hundreds vs. thousands of people. Millions of Europeans and other nationalities resettled in this country and almost immediately outnumbered the indians.&#8221; Wrong again! Columbus did not set foot on North America until 1492. It took 350 years for the non-native settlers to outnumber the American Indian population. As for the spred of infectious disease and the use of heinous weaponry now you&#8217;re on to something! The US Calvary distributed infectious blankets (chemical warfare of the time) to the American Indians on reservations devastating mass populations. The Gatling Gun of 1861 used at Wounded Knee, burning of whole villages of women &amp; children while sleeping inside their tipis were all methods by which to kill off the American Indian population. All of  these methods were commonplace practices for the elimination of the American Indian now considered illegal under the rules established by the Geneva Convention.<br />
Hope that clears things up for you, Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 02:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honor the treaties, Pay up or get off the land that was stolen!</description>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Indians were killing themselves before the White man even got here. So we did what they were already doing. The Indian&#039;s problem was really their numbers. There weren&#039;t millions of Indians here on the continent, most tribes numbered in  hundreds vs. thousands of people. Millions of Europeans and other nationalities resettled in this country and almost immediately outnumbered the indians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Indians were killing themselves before the White man even got here. So we did what they were already doing. The Indian&#8217;s problem was really their numbers. There weren&#8217;t millions of Indians here on the continent, most tribes numbered in  hundreds vs. thousands of people. Millions of Europeans and other nationalities resettled in this country and almost immediately outnumbered the indians.</p>
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		<title>By: David Ringler</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ringler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s apparent that we totaly overran this Continent.</description>
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