Comments on: The USS Scorpion Buried at Sea http://www.historynet.com/the-uss-scorpion-buried-at-sea.htm From the World's Largest History Magazine Publisher Sun, 21 Mar 2010 20:29:25 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Tom Dougherty http://www.historynet.com/the-uss-scorpion-buried-at-sea.htm/comment-page-1#comment-164429 Tom Dougherty Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:02:50 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13681319#comment-164429 Recent analysis of the acoustical evidence by expert Bruce Rule has eliminated a Russian torpedo as having any role in the loss of the Scorpion. For detailed information on the attempted recovery of the K-129, I suggest you go to: http://www.projectjennifer.at/ Recent analysis of the acoustical evidence by expert Bruce Rule has eliminated a Russian torpedo as having any role in the loss of the Scorpion. For detailed information on the attempted recovery of the K-129, I suggest you go to: http://www.projectjennifer.at/

]]> By: Steven Scott http://www.historynet.com/the-uss-scorpion-buried-at-sea.htm/comment-page-1#comment-135122 Steven Scott Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:53:22 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13681319#comment-135122 Gentlemen, If the K129 could be lifted off the ocean floor, why not the Scorpion? If I recall the K129 was in deeper water, and the official story, when released was that we at least got part of it. If not lift it why not have Alvin do a full sweep around the hull and video tape it. If we can send a ROV to the bottom of the Marianas, on a fiber optic wire, we can film the Scorpion. I believe the last time we checked on any degradation of the reactor was in 1982. Gentlemen,

If the K129 could be lifted off the ocean floor, why not the Scorpion? If I recall the K129 was in deeper water, and the official story, when released was that we at least got part of it. If not lift it why not have Alvin do a full sweep around the hull and video tape it. If we can send a ROV to the bottom of the Marianas, on a fiber optic wire, we can film the Scorpion. I believe the last time we checked on any degradation of the reactor was in 1982.

]]> By: Tom Bartlett http://www.historynet.com/the-uss-scorpion-buried-at-sea.htm/comment-page-1#comment-125810 Tom Bartlett Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:24:56 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13681319#comment-125810 As a sub vet of that very time period, we heard, and I have heard numerous times since, that the mechanical condition of the Scorpion was very very bad. Can anyone provide any knowledgeable input to that aspect of her condition?? As a sub vet of that very time period, we heard, and I have heard numerous times since, that the mechanical condition of the Scorpion was very very bad. Can anyone provide any knowledgeable input to that aspect of her condition??

]]> By: Bill Elrod http://www.historynet.com/the-uss-scorpion-buried-at-sea.htm/comment-page-1#comment-125200 Bill Elrod Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:39:05 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13681319#comment-125200 As a former Scorpion crewmember who was sent off the boat on emergency leave May 16th 1968 days before the tragic loss of my shipmates I agree with the article by Chuck Jeffries. I have never seen any scientific evidence that convinces me that "The Russians did it" or that it was a hot run torpedo. If you look at the photos taken by Dr. Bob Ballard the boat had to have been flooded when it exceeded crush depth was when the shaft was expelled and the telescpoing of the engineroom occured. The ops compartment sail and bow were damaged upon hitting the bottom at 11,000 + feet. I think the Offley and Sewell stories are fiction and the Johnson book wanted to find fault with the material condition of the boat and morale of the crew. Neither of which was true. As a former Scorpion crewmember who was sent off the boat on emergency leave May 16th 1968 days before the tragic loss of my shipmates I agree with the article by Chuck Jeffries. I have never seen any scientific evidence that convinces me that "The Russians did it" or that it was a hot run torpedo. If you look at the photos taken by Dr. Bob Ballard the boat had to have been flooded when it exceeded crush depth was when the shaft was expelled and the telescpoing of the engineroom occured. The ops compartment sail and bow were damaged upon hitting the bottom at 11,000 + feet. I think the Offley and Sewell stories are fiction and the Johnson book wanted to find fault with the material condition of the boat and morale of the crew. Neither of which was true.

]]> By: Gilman R. Carlson http://www.historynet.com/the-uss-scorpion-buried-at-sea.htm/comment-page-1#comment-125172 Gilman R. Carlson Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:06:51 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13681319#comment-125172 Read two books on the subject of the loss of Scorpion. "Scorpion Down" by Ed Offley and "All Hands Down" by Sewell. These two books confirm without a shadow of doubt that the Soviet Navy planned and carried out the sinking of Scorpion. The event described in "All Hands Down" is the more realistic - sinking using a helecopter launched torpedo. Gil Carlson Read two books on the subject of the loss of Scorpion.

"Scorpion Down" by Ed Offley and "All Hands Down" by Sewell. These two books confirm without a shadow of doubt that the Soviet Navy planned and carried out the sinking of Scorpion. The event described in "All Hands Down" is the more realistic – sinking using a helecopter launched torpedo.

Gil Carlson

]]> By: emil levine http://www.historynet.com/the-uss-scorpion-buried-at-sea.htm/comment-page-1#comment-124878 emil levine Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:41:50 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13681319#comment-124878 As an all source intelligence analyst at navy intelligence, I was responsible for the study of the Scorpion loss. This is a piece of fiction. We had very bad to no SOSUS coverage in this area. Other studies show Scorpion was lost due to probably battery explosion. We had not intelligence showing Scorpion was being trailed. Scorpion was in radio silence and would not have sent the alleged message. Fiction. As an all source intelligence analyst at navy intelligence, I was responsible for the study of the Scorpion loss. This is a piece of fiction. We had very bad to no SOSUS coverage in this area. Other studies show Scorpion was lost due to probably battery explosion. We had not intelligence showing Scorpion was being trailed. Scorpion was in radio silence and would not have sent the alleged message.

Fiction.

]]> By: LT Charles R Bailey, USN(Ret) http://www.historynet.com/the-uss-scorpion-buried-at-sea.htm/comment-page-1#comment-124719 LT Charles R Bailey, USN(Ret) Sat, 26 Sep 2009 01:10:25 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13681319#comment-124719 All of us, Qualified in Submarines, stand solemnly in respect to those submariners on eternal patrol... Eternal Father, Strong to save, Whose arm hath bound the restless wave, Who bid'st the mighty Ocean deep Its own appointed limits keep; O hear us when we cry to thee, for those in peril on the sea. O Trinity of love and power! Our brethren shield in danger's hour; From rock and tempest, fire and foe, Protect them wheresoe'er they go; Thus evermore shall rise to Thee, Glad hymns of praise from land and sea. All of us, Qualified in Submarines, stand solemnly in respect to those submariners on eternal patrol…

Eternal Father, Strong to save,
Whose arm hath bound the restless wave,
Who bid'st the mighty Ocean deep
Its own appointed limits keep;
O hear us when we cry to thee,
for those in peril on the sea.

O Trinity of love and power!
Our brethren shield in danger's hour;
From rock and tempest, fire and foe,
Protect them wheresoe'er they go;
Thus evermore shall rise to Thee,
Glad hymns of praise from land and sea.

]]> By: Chuck Jeffries http://www.historynet.com/the-uss-scorpion-buried-at-sea.htm/comment-page-1#comment-119848 Chuck Jeffries Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:34:36 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13681319#comment-119848 As a former Scorpion crewmwmber I say BS to this article. No visual evidence of a toroedo attack exists in the existing photographs ...too the contrary they imply an implosion as the sub passed crush depth. A torpedo attack would have caused rapid internal flooding with the internal bulkheads giving way and filling the sub with water before it reached crush depth resulting in the submarine being intact on the bottom ,the photos reveal the opposite .... a massive destruction from implosion occurred.. This was more than likely caused by flooding from an internal explosion probably from the battery which may have disabled some critical crew positions or equipment causing the submarine to slowly sink to crush depth. Acoustic data supports this premise. some twenty minutes before the massive implosion occured a small explosion was detected on the same hydophones, the locaation of which has been correlated in the imediate vicinity of the major implosion signal. As a former Scorpion crewmwmber I say BS to this article. No visual evidence of a toroedo attack exists in the existing photographs …too the contrary they imply an implosion as the sub passed crush depth. A torpedo attack would have caused rapid internal flooding with the internal bulkheads giving way and filling the sub with water before it reached crush depth resulting in the submarine being intact on the bottom ,the photos reveal the opposite …. a massive destruction from implosion occurred.. This was more than likely caused by flooding from an internal explosion probably from the battery which may have disabled some critical crew positions or equipment causing the submarine to slowly sink to crush depth. Acoustic data supports this premise. some twenty minutes before the massive implosion occured a small explosion was detected on the same hydophones, the locaation of which has been correlated in the imediate vicinity of the major implosion signal.

]]> By: Bob Moore http://www.historynet.com/the-uss-scorpion-buried-at-sea.htm/comment-page-1#comment-117685 Bob Moore Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:24:03 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13681319#comment-117685 So it was a tit-for-tat and we agreed to it. As a former member of Subron 6 in that time frame I am left speechless that the Navy would just write off 99 men, including some personal friends of mine, to avoid stirring up the soviets. Bob Moore, TM-1(SS) So it was a tit-for-tat and we agreed to it. As a former member of Subron 6 in that time frame I am left speechless that the Navy would just write off 99 men, including some personal friends of mine, to avoid stirring up the soviets.

Bob Moore, TM-1(SS)

]]> By: Ken Brenner http://www.historynet.com/the-uss-scorpion-buried-at-sea.htm/comment-page-1#comment-111405 Ken Brenner Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:08:15 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13681319#comment-111405 God Bless the crew and their families! ETR3 (SS) USS Haddo (SSN 604) God Bless the crew and their families!

ETR3 (SS)
USS Haddo (SSN 604)

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