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		<title>By: 11B - SGT OIF 07'-09'</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/the-narrative.htm#comment-794657</link>
		<dc:creator>11B - SGT OIF 07'-09'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 12:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Bobe,

It seems we missed our window to get a response from &quot;established&quot; historians.  That or they find the questions too challenging to answer while maintaining a Nazi=evil/capitalist&amp;communist=good guy spin.  Everything I was taught began to unravel when I went to Iraq and saw with my own eyes how much the media LIES and LIES and LIES.  It made me think:  If they could lie about a current war in Iraq then what other past wars have they lied about? 

The more and more I read the more I began to disregard &quot;mainstream&quot; &amp; &quot;official&quot; history as completely corrupt &amp; all of it designed to support a certain storyline with a presupposed villain &amp; hero.  The lie that rocked my world and left my head spinning was the alleged &quot;holocaust&quot;.  Orwell said he who controls the past controls the present controls the future.  

Eventually, after enough reading and investigating I found out why we were in iraq and why my buddies were dead and paralyzed.  Have a look for yourself and see if the data below doesn&#039;t fit the storyline of past world events and of those to come.

--Disillusioned Veteran   



In the year of 2000 there were seven countries without a Rothschild owned Central Bank:

Afghanistan
Iraq
Sudan
Libya
Cuba
North Korea
Iran

------2003-------

Sudan
Libya
Cuba
North Korea
Iran

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Cuba
North Korea
Iran</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bobe,</p>
<p>It seems we missed our window to get a response from &#034;established&#034; historians.  That or they find the questions too challenging to answer while maintaining a Nazi=evil/capitalist&amp;communist=good guy spin.  Everything I was taught began to unravel when I went to Iraq and saw with my own eyes how much the media LIES and LIES and LIES.  It made me think:  If they could lie about a current war in Iraq then what other past wars have they lied about? </p>
<p>The more and more I read the more I began to disregard &#034;mainstream&#034; &amp; &#034;official&#034; history as completely corrupt &amp; all of it designed to support a certain storyline with a presupposed villain &amp; hero.  The lie that rocked my world and left my head spinning was the alleged &#034;holocaust&#034;.  Orwell said he who controls the past controls the present controls the future.  </p>
<p>Eventually, after enough reading and investigating I found out why we were in iraq and why my buddies were dead and paralyzed.  Have a look for yourself and see if the data below doesn&#039;t fit the storyline of past world events and of those to come.</p>
<p>&#8211;Disillusioned Veteran   </p>
<p>In the year of 2000 there were seven countries without a Rothschild owned Central Bank:</p>
<p>Afghanistan<br />
Iraq<br />
Sudan<br />
Libya<br />
Cuba<br />
North Korea<br />
Iran</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;2003&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Sudan<br />
Libya<br />
Cuba<br />
North Korea<br />
Iran</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;2012&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Cuba<br />
North Korea<br />
Iran</p>
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		<title>By: bobe</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/the-narrative.htm#comment-794503</link>
		<dc:creator>bobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2012 02:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are more, by october of 1941 during BARBAROSSA, STALIN makes a pact with JAPAN so he can rely on the t34s and siberian troops to defend, better to counteroffensive(poor germans didn&#039;t have winter clothes, little blunder of HITLER), at the MOSCOW &#039;S GATES.
Then i believe he communicated with USA intelligence or Roosevelt directly to give some advice about Japan&#039;s intentions of attacking USA then he like Hero got the americans to put their aircraft carriers at sea but forgot to mention that he had a pact with Japan(friend or enemy?).
 STALIN  got all the LEASE AND LEND from USA/UK at bargain, although he had pact with the devil before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are more, by october of 1941 during BARBAROSSA, STALIN makes a pact with JAPAN so he can rely on the t34s and siberian troops to defend, better to counteroffensive(poor germans didn&#039;t have winter clothes, little blunder of HITLER), at the MOSCOW &#039;S GATES.<br />
Then i believe he communicated with USA intelligence or Roosevelt directly to give some advice about Japan&#039;s intentions of attacking USA then he like Hero got the americans to put their aircraft carriers at sea but forgot to mention that he had a pact with Japan(friend or enemy?).<br />
 STALIN  got all the LEASE AND LEND from USA/UK at bargain, although he had pact with the devil before.</p>
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		<title>By: 11B - SGT OIF 07'-09'</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/the-narrative.htm#comment-794455</link>
		<dc:creator>11B - SGT OIF 07'-09'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 15:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh boy!  Look what I stumbled into, jackpot!  I&#039;ve got a few:

September 1939 -  Great Britain &amp; France declare war on Germany for invading Poland.  A week or two later the USSR invades Poland from the other side meets Germany in the middle &amp; annexes it&#039;s half of Poland.  Great Britain &amp; France are suddenly not as concerned in defending Poland anymore &amp; G.B. even allies itself with the USSR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh boy!  Look what I stumbled into, jackpot!  I&#039;ve got a few:</p>
<p>September 1939 &#8211;  Great Britain &amp; France declare war on Germany for invading Poland.  A week or two later the USSR invades Poland from the other side meets Germany in the middle &amp; annexes it&#039;s half of Poland.  Great Britain &amp; France are suddenly not as concerned in defending Poland anymore &amp; G.B. even allies itself with the USSR.</p>
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		<title>By: bobe</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/the-narrative.htm#comment-736400</link>
		<dc:creator>bobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We hear too much about D DAY  and if we know history there was something like OPERATION BAGRATION ( in the same year), a clash with 
 casualties in the millions, and little known or not much talked about</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We hear too much about D DAY  and if we know history there was something like OPERATION BAGRATION ( in the same year), a clash with<br />
 casualties in the millions, and little known or not much talked about</p>
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		<title>By: bobe</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/the-narrative.htm#comment-736392</link>
		<dc:creator>bobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have problem about the battle of KURSK in 1943, and specially PROKHOROVA, the more i know about it the more i see that something is not right, doesn&#039;t make sense if we believe the SOVIET version, or that it was a stunning victory for the soviets.
 So i ordered 3 books about KURSK one is coming november author CLARK  &quot;the battle of KURSK :Clash of the tanks&quot; and the ZHUKOV memoirs, and another about german panzer divisions. 
Had the soviets had such victory at KURSK they would have gone to BERLIN in 1943, and about  waffen SS  panzer division LAH ? Was it decimated at Prokhorovka? The numbers at KURSK are conflicting, there is a BIG LIE over it, for example about total number of german tanks involved in the battle and also those tanks who survived. 
Also i don&#039;t think that untrained(no radio, and blinded by tons of dust created by their huge numbers) t34 tank commanders prevail over highly trained, and selected TIGER tank crew in a chaotic battle, does it make sense to anyone?
 Did the soviets really stopped the german offensive or it was HITLER&#039;S BLUNDER of stopping it to help his friend MUSSOLINI in ITALY?
 It is shame that due to political correctness, propaganda or else we still have to know what happened at KURSK/PROKHOROVKA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have problem about the battle of KURSK in 1943, and specially PROKHOROVA, the more i know about it the more i see that something is not right, doesn&#039;t make sense if we believe the SOVIET version, or that it was a stunning victory for the soviets.<br />
 So i ordered 3 books about KURSK one is coming november author CLARK  &#034;the battle of KURSK :Clash of the tanks&#034; and the ZHUKOV memoirs, and another about german panzer divisions.<br />
Had the soviets had such victory at KURSK they would have gone to BERLIN in 1943, and about  waffen SS  panzer division LAH ? Was it decimated at Prokhorovka? The numbers at KURSK are conflicting, there is a BIG LIE over it, for example about total number of german tanks involved in the battle and also those tanks who survived.<br />
Also i don&#039;t think that untrained(no radio, and blinded by tons of dust created by their huge numbers) t34 tank commanders prevail over highly trained, and selected TIGER tank crew in a chaotic battle, does it make sense to anyone?<br />
 Did the soviets really stopped the german offensive or it was HITLER&#039;S BLUNDER of stopping it to help his friend MUSSOLINI in ITALY?<br />
 It is shame that due to political correctness, propaganda or else we still have to know what happened at KURSK/PROKHOROVKA.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Robertson</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/the-narrative.htm#comment-699131</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Robertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 03:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Niall Ferguson has an excellent book, and PBS documentary, &quot;The War of the World&quot;, on that very subject.  If you have not read or watched them, check them out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niall Ferguson has an excellent book, and PBS documentary, &#034;The War of the World&#034;, on that very subject.  If you have not read or watched them, check them out.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Miano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Miano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 02:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; ...my only point is that the tribulations of the vet of WWII who saw heavy combat (about a million or so) have not been sufficiently acknowledged. But that is my point of view from my personal experience which I attempt to back up with factual information in my upcoming book.&quot;

Professor Vento:

What in the world gives you the impression that I disagree with you? My only point was that there were movies on the subject of the readjustment problems of WWII but they were few and mostly minor and unnoticed efforts. I have clearly stated that my own father who saw heavy combat suffered from battle fatigue, as did your father. Do I think he received adequate help from the VA? No. I am well acquainted, first hand, with the efforts and struggles of my fellow Vietnam veterans. 

You seem to think that I disagree with you 100% when I agree with you 98%. My father first saw combat in 1942 when most of the justly vaunted &quot;Screaming Eagles&quot; (to whom I mean no disrespect) were still in basic training, and continueed to until 1945. If anything he saw more heavy combat than your father and suffered just as much. Do you think the sea war in the Pacific was a &quot;walk in the park?&quot; Believe me, it wasn&#039;t  like &quot;McHale&#039;s Navy.&quot;  Like your father, his experiences haunted him lierally to his dying day. If you&#039;re not going to take the time to really read my posts, please don&#039;t bother replying and I won&#039;t send anymore.

Patrick B. Miano</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034; &#8230;my only point is that the tribulations of the vet of WWII who saw heavy combat (about a million or so) have not been sufficiently acknowledged. But that is my point of view from my personal experience which I attempt to back up with factual information in my upcoming book.&#034;</p>
<p>Professor Vento:</p>
<p>What in the world gives you the impression that I disagree with you? My only point was that there were movies on the subject of the readjustment problems of WWII but they were few and mostly minor and unnoticed efforts. I have clearly stated that my own father who saw heavy combat suffered from battle fatigue, as did your father. Do I think he received adequate help from the VA? No. I am well acquainted, first hand, with the efforts and struggles of my fellow Vietnam veterans. </p>
<p>You seem to think that I disagree with you 100% when I agree with you 98%. My father first saw combat in 1942 when most of the justly vaunted &#034;Screaming Eagles&#034; (to whom I mean no disrespect) were still in basic training, and continueed to until 1945. If anything he saw more heavy combat than your father and suffered just as much. Do you think the sea war in the Pacific was a &#034;walk in the park?&#034; Believe me, it wasn&#039;t  like &#034;McHale&#039;s Navy.&#034;  Like your father, his experiences haunted him lierally to his dying day. If you&#039;re not going to take the time to really read my posts, please don&#039;t bother replying and I won&#039;t send anymore.</p>
<p>Patrick B. Miano</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Schultz Vento,Ph.D,J.D.</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/the-narrative.htm#comment-687868</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Schultz Vento,Ph.D,J.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Patrick,

I guess our perceptions are influenced by our own life experiences and are valid to each of us. I am using my own experience with my WWII paratrooper father (portrayed in The Longest Day), who attempted to get help from the VA for 50 years, as a focus. His attempts were dismissed as anxiety neurosis, inabililty to digest wartime experiences, etc. It wasn&#039;t until the 1980s when a VA psychiatrist acknowledged that his battles in Europe actually contributed to his struggles after the war.  It goes without saying that combat changes a person; my only point is that the tribulations of the vet of WWII who saw heavy combat (about a million or so) have not been sufficiently acknowledged. But that is my point of view from my personal experience which I attempt to back up with factual information in my upcoming book.
If the Vietnam vets had not fought for the VA programs then veterans of all our wars would be much worse off.  And The Longest Day movie made my father&#039;s D-Day seem like a walk in the park - his reality was a lot different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Patrick,</p>
<p>I guess our perceptions are influenced by our own life experiences and are valid to each of us. I am using my own experience with my WWII paratrooper father (portrayed in The Longest Day), who attempted to get help from the VA for 50 years, as a focus. His attempts were dismissed as anxiety neurosis, inabililty to digest wartime experiences, etc. It wasn&#039;t until the 1980s when a VA psychiatrist acknowledged that his battles in Europe actually contributed to his struggles after the war.  It goes without saying that combat changes a person; my only point is that the tribulations of the vet of WWII who saw heavy combat (about a million or so) have not been sufficiently acknowledged. But that is my point of view from my personal experience which I attempt to back up with factual information in my upcoming book.<br />
If the Vietnam vets had not fought for the VA programs then veterans of all our wars would be much worse off.  And The Longest Day movie made my father&#039;s D-Day seem like a walk in the park &#8211; his reality was a lot different.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Miano</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/the-narrative.htm#comment-687821</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Miano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS: I don&#039;t want to imply that all early post-WWII divorces were due to adultery or conniving foreign brides, any more than they should all be blamed on battle fatigue. In many cases, veterans had married too young, after short courtships, for a variety of wrong reasons, and they and their spouses didn&#039;t really think it through. When they came home and tried to settle down, both sides sometimes realized they had made a mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: I don&#039;t want to imply that all early post-WWII divorces were due to adultery or conniving foreign brides, any more than they should all be blamed on battle fatigue. In many cases, veterans had married too young, after short courtships, for a variety of wrong reasons, and they and their spouses didn&#039;t really think it through. When they came home and tried to settle down, both sides sometimes realized they had made a mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Miano</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/the-narrative.htm#comment-687806</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Miano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Vento:

You have totally misinterpreted my comments. My own father suffered from long-term battle fatigue for decades, although he was not an alcoholic.  As a sailor, he was in combat from the Battle of the Coral Sea in 1942 to Okinawa in 1945. I totally agree that the readjustment problems of WWII veterans were minimized, as I thought I made clear. I specifically said that very few, mostly minor, films described their problems as opposed to Vietnam and other wars. I only stated that the general public treated WWII veterans better than Vietnam veterans were treated in terms of educational benefits and social acceptance. Also, since the post-WWII economy picked up quickly, they did not have the long term unemployment problems their sons had in the 70s after Vietnam. A decent job goes a long way in helping readjustment.

While your divorce statistics are accurate, they do not tell the whole story. Many of those divorces were among veterans who married before and during their military service. Some wives cheated while their husbands were away and some servicemen cheated on their wives when they were away. Also, a number of war brides took off as soon as they got their green cards. My own parents married in 1948 and remained married until my father died in 1992.

I still maintain that the term &quot;battle fatigue&quot; has less of a stigma than PTSD and more Vietnam veterans would have sought help if not given a diagnosis which to laymen implies mental illness. The VA programs for Vietvets were also woefully inadequate. Believe me, I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Vento:</p>
<p>You have totally misinterpreted my comments. My own father suffered from long-term battle fatigue for decades, although he was not an alcoholic.  As a sailor, he was in combat from the Battle of the Coral Sea in 1942 to Okinawa in 1945. I totally agree that the readjustment problems of WWII veterans were minimized, as I thought I made clear. I specifically said that very few, mostly minor, films described their problems as opposed to Vietnam and other wars. I only stated that the general public treated WWII veterans better than Vietnam veterans were treated in terms of educational benefits and social acceptance. Also, since the post-WWII economy picked up quickly, they did not have the long term unemployment problems their sons had in the 70s after Vietnam. A decent job goes a long way in helping readjustment.</p>
<p>While your divorce statistics are accurate, they do not tell the whole story. Many of those divorces were among veterans who married before and during their military service. Some wives cheated while their husbands were away and some servicemen cheated on their wives when they were away. Also, a number of war brides took off as soon as they got their green cards. My own parents married in 1948 and remained married until my father died in 1992.</p>
<p>I still maintain that the term &#034;battle fatigue&#034; has less of a stigma than PTSD and more Vietnam veterans would have sought help if not given a diagnosis which to laymen implies mental illness. The VA programs for Vietvets were also woefully inadequate. Believe me, I know.</p>
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