http://www.historynet.com/the-battle-of-kursk-clash-of-the-tanks.htm From the World's Largest History Magazine Publisher Thu, 23 May 2013 09:29:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 http://www.historynet.com/the-battle-of-kursk-clash-of-the-tanks.htm#comment-801622 bobe Mon, 14 May 2012 15:27:26 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13682939#comment-801622 I am about to finish ZHUKOV'S memoirs and finished LLOYD CLark book, so i have much clear vision about KURSK now. KURSK was a TACTICAL victory for the germans if not they would had lost the war that year, the huge concentration of soviet forces made possible to hold the germans and so achieve their strategic goal that was to BLEED German forces then counterattack what was done shortly The germans didn't achieve total victory because they lacked INFANTRY and AVIATION FUEL, although they had air superiority in the first days, that would change in the final days of the offensive. operation CITADEL was a Hitler's blunder, after STALINGRAD the soviets had gained the initiative, even STALIN agreed to hold the soviet offensive and listened to ZHUKOV'S advice to let the germans think they had the initiative and attack KURSK, and they did and fell into the soviet TRAP. I am about to finish ZHUKOV'S memoirs and finished LLOYD CLark book, so i have much clear vision about KURSK now.
KURSK was a TACTICAL victory for the germans if not they would had lost the war that year, the huge concentration of soviet forces made possible to hold the germans and so achieve their strategic goal that was to BLEED
German forces then counterattack what was done shortly
The germans didn't achieve total victory because they lacked INFANTRY and AVIATION FUEL, although they had air superiority in the first days, that would change in the final days of the offensive.
operation CITADEL was a Hitler's blunder, after STALINGRAD the soviets had gained the initiative, even STALIN agreed to hold the soviet offensive and listened to ZHUKOV'S advice to let the germans think they had the initiative and attack KURSK, and they did and fell into the soviet TRAP.

]]> http://www.historynet.com/the-battle-of-kursk-clash-of-the-tanks.htm#comment-782213 michael reddy Fri, 25 Nov 2011 01:17:44 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13682939#comment-782213 Is there any way I could make contact with Lloyd Clark trying to find information on my brother in laws uncle who died or went missing on german side warrent officer Xaver Fritch 2nd Lt. Is there any way I could make contact with Lloyd Clark trying to find information on my brother in laws uncle who died or went missing on german side warrent officer Xaver Fritch 2nd Lt.

]]> http://www.historynet.com/the-battle-of-kursk-clash-of-the-tanks.htm#comment-596901 nickpot Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:29:23 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13682939#comment-596901 People here have a look on the warfare as is it were olympic games. What counts is victory, at any cost at a particular time. The Germans destroyed a lot of soviet tanks, but were stopped in Prochorovka and subsequently pushed behind the Dniepre lossing their victorius tanks for ever. Most of the knoked out russian tanks an Prochorovka were quickly repaired. Time is blood, you sacrifice a tank army but achieve the objectives of the whole operation. People here have a look on the warfare as is it were olympic games. What counts is victory, at any cost at a particular time. The Germans destroyed a lot of soviet tanks, but were stopped in Prochorovka and subsequently pushed behind the Dniepre lossing their victorius tanks for ever. Most of the knoked out russian tanks an Prochorovka were quickly repaired. Time is blood, you sacrifice a tank army but achieve the objectives of the whole operation.

]]> http://www.historynet.com/the-battle-of-kursk-clash-of-the-tanks.htm#comment-450295 Arterm Wed, 02 Feb 2011 09:20:28 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13682939#comment-450295 Soviets lost in Prokhorovka so many tanks that won with fright :)))) But the Germans destroyed much of Soviet tanks and infantry, defeated by the same fear. :))) Soviets lost in Prokhorovka so many tanks that won with fright :)))) But the Germans destroyed much of Soviet tanks and infantry, defeated by the same fear. :)))

]]> http://www.historynet.com/the-battle-of-kursk-clash-of-the-tanks.htm#comment-449653 Nick Tue, 01 Feb 2011 19:12:04 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13682939#comment-449653 Aha... One more MYSTERY?? May be God itself made vicotry for Soviets? ;))) Aha… One more MYSTERY?? May be God itself made vicotry for Soviets? ;)))

]]> http://www.historynet.com/the-battle-of-kursk-clash-of-the-tanks.htm#comment-444062 bobe Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:47:14 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13682939#comment-444062 After all writings about KURSK /PROKHOROVKA i am more inclined to conclude that PROKHOROVKA the soviets suffered a catastrophic loss of man and material. i am concentrating on ROTMISTROV 5Th guards now, to see how many tanks he lost from middle july to end of august 1943, it seems to be in excess of 1000 tanks, also i am curious to know about ZHUKOV"s memoirs if they exist. the facts are that ROTMISTROV never gained command again after PROKHOROVKA, if he was such victorious, the question is why?. KURSK remains a mystery , but i can see through the soviet perspective the soviet t34 tank commander driving at high speed with no radio if tank commander is destroyed, no visibility(due to dust in the air) at all towards the germans TIGERS/PANZER IV/BRUMMBARS/HUMMELS/etc.. waiting for them . I believe the chaotic scenario it was like killing fish in a barrel for the germans. After all writings about KURSK /PROKHOROVKA i am more inclined to conclude that PROKHOROVKA the soviets suffered a catastrophic loss
of man and material.
i am concentrating on ROTMISTROV 5Th guards now, to see how many tanks he lost from middle july to end of august 1943, it seems to be in excess of 1000 tanks, also i am curious to know about ZHUKOV"s memoirs if they exist.
the facts are that ROTMISTROV never gained command again after PROKHOROVKA, if he was such victorious, the question is why?.
KURSK remains a mystery , but i can see through the soviet perspective the soviet t34 tank commander driving at high speed with no radio if tank commander is destroyed, no visibility(due to dust in the air) at all towards the germans TIGERS/PANZER IV/BRUMMBARS/HUMMELS/etc.. waiting for them .
I believe the chaotic scenario it was like killing fish in a barrel for the germans.

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]]> http://www.historynet.com/the-battle-of-kursk-clash-of-the-tanks.htm#comment-385012 bobe Mon, 06 Dec 2010 01:32:58 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13682939#comment-385012 I am very eager to read the book of LLOYD CLARK. The battle of KURSK and the battle of PROKHOROVKA has been so much involved in controversy , and from the soviet side absolute LIES and DISTORTIONS pure propaganda that makes no sense at all, for them MICHAEL WITTMANN never was there or the 181st tank regiment was intact after the engagement at PROKHOROVKA. I have the book THE BATTLE OF KURSK from GLANTZ would not buy it if i knew it was one version of history , the soviet version, so i will burn that book this winter in my fireplace and replace it with LLOYD CLARK ' THE BATTLE OF THE TANKS KURSK 1943. I am very eager to read the book of LLOYD CLARK.
The battle of KURSK and the battle of PROKHOROVKA has been so much involved in controversy , and from the soviet side absolute LIES and DISTORTIONS pure propaganda that makes no sense at all, for them MICHAEL WITTMANN never was there or the 181st tank regiment was intact after the engagement at PROKHOROVKA.
I have the book THE BATTLE OF KURSK from GLANTZ would not buy it if i knew it was one version of history , the soviet version, so i will burn that book this winter in my fireplace and replace it with LLOYD CLARK ' THE BATTLE OF THE TANKS KURSK 1943.

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