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		<title>By: NorPlains</title>
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		<dc:creator>NorPlains</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack-o...it&#039;s Cavalry, not Calvary...ugh.

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&quot;One additional myth often posed about this battle-The Indians used bows and arrows, with Custer’s men better armed with rifles. The fact that many of the indians were armed with better weapons (some with repeating arms) and outnumbered their blue coated foes were the primary factors in the battle’s outcome. The poor performance of the black powder cartridges that the cavalrymen used, and the unfortunate tendancy of their single shot spencers to jam when hot (brass couldn’t be extracted after firing) contributed to the problems faced by the troopers. BTW, If Custer’s tactics were as good as the author portrays here…why did he lose?&quot;

By CDB on Mar 10, 2009 at 2:13 pm 


The standard issue rifle for Custer&#039;s troopers were .45-55 (.45-70) single-shot Springfield carbines.  They were indeed loaded with 55 grains of black powder.  Black powder is very fouling and it is conceivable that after firing many rounds they may have had functioning problems.  As another poster above noted, some few may have had Sharps single-shots and it is reported that Custer himself may have had his Remington rolling block which I believe was in .50-70 caliber, which was the standard military cartridge before the adaptation of the .45-70.   The Indians had everything from bows and arrows to Sharps single-shots to muzzle-loading muskets to repeating Winchesters, Henrys, and Spencers.   All BTW loaded with black powder cartridges.  Generally, I think the Indians had more firepower.  And of course they had wayyy more in numbers of combatants.  Even the best laid plans and strategy is not enough if you are so significantly outnumbered and outgunned.  CDB actually answers his own question within his post.

For what I consider the best theory as to how the Custer part of the battle unfolded, his movements, his strategy, and finally, a movement that he made based on his interpretation of the troops he saw on Weir Point, which most probably caused the unraveling of his command, read the book: Sole Survivor, by Douglas W. Ellison.  In his book it is Mr Ellison&#039;s contention that it was actually 1st Lt. Algernon Smith (Co. E) who was shot at Medicine Tail Coulee.  And yes Mich Bouyer sent Curley away before the Custer fighting began, although he was able to later report Custer&#039;s movements prior to his leaving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack-o&#8230;it&#8217;s Cavalry, not Calvary&#8230;ugh.</p>
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<p>&#8220;One additional myth often posed about this battle-The Indians used bows and arrows, with Custer’s men better armed with rifles. The fact that many of the indians were armed with better weapons (some with repeating arms) and outnumbered their blue coated foes were the primary factors in the battle’s outcome. The poor performance of the black powder cartridges that the cavalrymen used, and the unfortunate tendancy of their single shot spencers to jam when hot (brass couldn’t be extracted after firing) contributed to the problems faced by the troopers. BTW, If Custer’s tactics were as good as the author portrays here…why did he lose?&#8221;</p>
<p>By CDB on Mar 10, 2009 at 2:13 pm </p>
<p>The standard issue rifle for Custer&#8217;s troopers were .45-55 (.45-70) single-shot Springfield carbines.  They were indeed loaded with 55 grains of black powder.  Black powder is very fouling and it is conceivable that after firing many rounds they may have had functioning problems.  As another poster above noted, some few may have had Sharps single-shots and it is reported that Custer himself may have had his Remington rolling block which I believe was in .50-70 caliber, which was the standard military cartridge before the adaptation of the .45-70.   The Indians had everything from bows and arrows to Sharps single-shots to muzzle-loading muskets to repeating Winchesters, Henrys, and Spencers.   All BTW loaded with black powder cartridges.  Generally, I think the Indians had more firepower.  And of course they had wayyy more in numbers of combatants.  Even the best laid plans and strategy is not enough if you are so significantly outnumbered and outgunned.  CDB actually answers his own question within his post.</p>
<p>For what I consider the best theory as to how the Custer part of the battle unfolded, his movements, his strategy, and finally, a movement that he made based on his interpretation of the troops he saw on Weir Point, which most probably caused the unraveling of his command, read the book: Sole Survivor, by Douglas W. Ellison.  In his book it is Mr Ellison&#8217;s contention that it was actually 1st Lt. Algernon Smith (Co. E) who was shot at Medicine Tail Coulee.  And yes Mich Bouyer sent Curley away before the Custer fighting began, although he was able to later report Custer&#8217;s movements prior to his leaving.</p>
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		<title>By: jack hamar</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey. It doesn&#039;t matter. The Indians won. I salute them. Nobody will ever know or care exactly when Custer bought it. He was a putz, bottom of his class, in love with himself. Stop glorifying him. Get a life. You people, whose grammar and spelling is atrocious, I might add, probably dress up in 7th  Calvary outfits every weekend to play make believe like little six year olds. He deserved to die just as much as Jesse James or  Billy the Kid deserved to die. Unless you were actually there I don&quot;t care to hear your opinions because that is all they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey. It doesn&#8217;t matter. The Indians won. I salute them. Nobody will ever know or care exactly when Custer bought it. He was a putz, bottom of his class, in love with himself. Stop glorifying him. Get a life. You people, whose grammar and spelling is atrocious, I might add, probably dress up in 7th  Calvary outfits every weekend to play make believe like little six year olds. He deserved to die just as much as Jesse James or  Billy the Kid deserved to die. Unless you were actually there I don&#8221;t care to hear your opinions because that is all they are.</p>
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		<title>By: marshall schultz</title>
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		<dc:creator>marshall schultz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this was a wonderful, very informitive article. The light of truth is yet to be shined on this tragic time in our history.
A cover up? Definatly. Avoidable? Absolutly, but before the job is givin to the army. The one thing here in this article that jumps out at me is just how close Custer came to &quot;winning&quot;! But for a couple of incidents that could have gone either way, the battle was lost. ( this one among many others) In my opinion factors were as follows: Indian bravery and fighting prowess, Reno&#039;s cowardice, Benteen&#039;s hatred, lack of tactical cohesion on the part of the troopers due in large part to poor training and too many 
&quot;feriners&quot;! Custers ego, and lastly destiny! Weaponry was not an issue. The 7th was armed to the teeth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this was a wonderful, very informitive article. The light of truth is yet to be shined on this tragic time in our history.<br />
A cover up? Definatly. Avoidable? Absolutly, but before the job is givin to the army. The one thing here in this article that jumps out at me is just how close Custer came to &#8220;winning&#8221;! But for a couple of incidents that could have gone either way, the battle was lost. ( this one among many others) In my opinion factors were as follows: Indian bravery and fighting prowess, Reno&#8217;s cowardice, Benteen&#8217;s hatred, lack of tactical cohesion on the part of the troopers due in large part to poor training and too many<br />
&#8220;feriners&#8221;! Custers ego, and lastly destiny! Weaponry was not an issue. The 7th was armed to the teeth</p>
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		<title>By: Muhamad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muhamad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of this makes no sense. Of course there was a &quot;Last Stand&quot; no matter who named it that as described in your own article. We you flee so far, turn to fight because you can&#039;t go any further THAT is your last stand.
Lt. Rose got to the battle ground 5 years after the fact; how do you with any good sense take the number he gave as being in the revine as the acurate body count? That&#039;s just stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of this makes no sense. Of course there was a &#8220;Last Stand&#8221; no matter who named it that as described in your own article. We you flee so far, turn to fight because you can&#8217;t go any further THAT is your last stand.<br />
Lt. Rose got to the battle ground 5 years after the fact; how do you with any good sense take the number he gave as being in the revine as the acurate body count? That&#8217;s just stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: David Welch</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 02:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Custer&#039;s biggest mistake was not accepting the offer of taking four companies of the 4th Cavalry with him. It would have augmented his force by about 200 troopers. In addition, the 4th would have been eager for a fight and formed an aggressive battalion, perhaps even being sent on &quot;the scout&quot; that Benteen took his lazy time on. You can bet that if Benteen and Reno where BOTH attacking the village with six companies instead of three while Custer circled behind the initial attack wouldn&#039;t have cut and run so fast. Plus, the 4th would have had employed much more haste in getting to the field of combat.

That said, let&#039;s give the Native Americans credit. They were fighting to protect the lives of their old people, women and children. They fought hard and well in terrain perfectly suited to their style of fightinng. But Custer did surpirse the camp not once but twice. A larger attacking force with reinforcements arriving 30 minutes sooner might have just tipped the balance in Custer&#039;s favor and allowed him to capture a large group of fleeing non-combatants, thus ending the battle with a lot fewer troppers being killed and a lot fewer Native Americans getting killed and harassed until the following spring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Custer&#8217;s biggest mistake was not accepting the offer of taking four companies of the 4th Cavalry with him. It would have augmented his force by about 200 troopers. In addition, the 4th would have been eager for a fight and formed an aggressive battalion, perhaps even being sent on &#8220;the scout&#8221; that Benteen took his lazy time on. You can bet that if Benteen and Reno where BOTH attacking the village with six companies instead of three while Custer circled behind the initial attack wouldn&#8217;t have cut and run so fast. Plus, the 4th would have had employed much more haste in getting to the field of combat.</p>
<p>That said, let&#8217;s give the Native Americans credit. They were fighting to protect the lives of their old people, women and children. They fought hard and well in terrain perfectly suited to their style of fightinng. But Custer did surpirse the camp not once but twice. A larger attacking force with reinforcements arriving 30 minutes sooner might have just tipped the balance in Custer&#8217;s favor and allowed him to capture a large group of fleeing non-combatants, thus ending the battle with a lot fewer troppers being killed and a lot fewer Native Americans getting killed and harassed until the following spring.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Helmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Helmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 02:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having been employed as an interpretive ranger at the site for 10years, I had the opportunity to both meet Mr. Michno and discuss the myths  that he advances.

While many of you may not like his rather brusque approach, no two people (including all Sioux and Cheyenne participants) saw the total action, and could not be on all parts of the field at one time. Mr. Michno offers the most plausible analysis circumstances of the pertinent event.

Actions were occurring simulatenously on Calhoun Ridge, Calhoun Hill, and the Keogh sector (among many), and with black powder smoke, screaming, and loose animals running amok, I defy anyone (this includes Custer and Crazy Horse) to give me exact information on what specifically was happening with any of the subordinate commands or bodies of warriors.

Mr. Michno illustrates, if you read it, that a commander makes decisions based upon the information known to him at the time, or in a very fluid action like the Little Bighorn, what some of his scouts thought the village was doing, where it was going, etc. In retrospect, some of it looks foolish, but at the time the decision was rendered, it was made on sound  reasoning. 

Custer was playing a dangerous hand on 25 June 1876, and there was little latitude for failure. I assume that at least one of has  made a decision in your own life (based upon the best information and research available), that later bit you in the ass. Or are you all smothered in millions from your winnings on the stock market?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been employed as an interpretive ranger at the site for 10years, I had the opportunity to both meet Mr. Michno and discuss the myths  that he advances.</p>
<p>While many of you may not like his rather brusque approach, no two people (including all Sioux and Cheyenne participants) saw the total action, and could not be on all parts of the field at one time. Mr. Michno offers the most plausible analysis circumstances of the pertinent event.</p>
<p>Actions were occurring simulatenously on Calhoun Ridge, Calhoun Hill, and the Keogh sector (among many), and with black powder smoke, screaming, and loose animals running amok, I defy anyone (this includes Custer and Crazy Horse) to give me exact information on what specifically was happening with any of the subordinate commands or bodies of warriors.</p>
<p>Mr. Michno illustrates, if you read it, that a commander makes decisions based upon the information known to him at the time, or in a very fluid action like the Little Bighorn, what some of his scouts thought the village was doing, where it was going, etc. In retrospect, some of it looks foolish, but at the time the decision was rendered, it was made on sound  reasoning. </p>
<p>Custer was playing a dangerous hand on 25 June 1876, and there was little latitude for failure. I assume that at least one of has  made a decision in your own life (based upon the best information and research available), that later bit you in the ass. Or are you all smothered in millions from your winnings on the stock market?</p>
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		<title>By: PETER</title>
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		<dc:creator>PETER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 22:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been studying the general since I was an impassioned boy.  I am 51 now and have written several academic papers on the man since.  One particular question continues to plague me : why has so little been made of Renos intoxication in the feild, as was testified to in the militarys  investigation of the days events?  In what appears to be one of the most critical moments of the day, Reno lost the battlefeild initiative and subsequently ignorred repeated commands from Custers order for packs/support and Capt. Thompsons plea to heed them with his own column.  As with any calamity, the buck stops at the bosses feet. And Custer was in charge.  But the military swept a great deal under the rug at the time to not tarnish the images of many still in the regiment.  We all tend to focus so much on Custer on that day because of his aura. But he was, even with the civil war record he had,  ultimately human, and was colosally failed that day by the two men he required his own zeal and tenacity from--Reno &amp; Benteen.  I&#039;ve always wondered why Custer kept Benteen in his command as well.  The man loathed his leader and that is a cancer in an army unit. All their fault? Of course not. Could they have made a major difference?  Obviously.  The reconstruction of june 25th 1876 on the Little Bighorn River begins with motives, just like any current investigation. Find  the truth by following the particapents motives and witnesses records.  The rest is forensics.  The complete picture is probably one that lines up everything that possibly could go wrong in the chain of command, and ultimately did.  Churchill said that all the best laid plans of battle dissolve in seconds once the fray has begun.  The only thing that keeps it from falling apart is unit cohesion.  But then, if that had happened Custer may have become president, as many know.  THAT is where any sane man would have drawn the line....LOL....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been studying the general since I was an impassioned boy.  I am 51 now and have written several academic papers on the man since.  One particular question continues to plague me : why has so little been made of Renos intoxication in the feild, as was testified to in the militarys  investigation of the days events?  In what appears to be one of the most critical moments of the day, Reno lost the battlefeild initiative and subsequently ignorred repeated commands from Custers order for packs/support and Capt. Thompsons plea to heed them with his own column.  As with any calamity, the buck stops at the bosses feet. And Custer was in charge.  But the military swept a great deal under the rug at the time to not tarnish the images of many still in the regiment.  We all tend to focus so much on Custer on that day because of his aura. But he was, even with the civil war record he had,  ultimately human, and was colosally failed that day by the two men he required his own zeal and tenacity from&#8211;Reno &amp; Benteen.  I&#8217;ve always wondered why Custer kept Benteen in his command as well.  The man loathed his leader and that is a cancer in an army unit. All their fault? Of course not. Could they have made a major difference?  Obviously.  The reconstruction of june 25th 1876 on the Little Bighorn River begins with motives, just like any current investigation. Find  the truth by following the particapents motives and witnesses records.  The rest is forensics.  The complete picture is probably one that lines up everything that possibly could go wrong in the chain of command, and ultimately did.  Churchill said that all the best laid plans of battle dissolve in seconds once the fray has begun.  The only thing that keeps it from falling apart is unit cohesion.  But then, if that had happened Custer may have become president, as many know.  THAT is where any sane man would have drawn the line&#8230;.LOL&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Decker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale Decker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 04:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I found the article to be too the point.  That said, it would have reflected better on the author and this magazine had the sarcasm and rather juvenile comments (ie: Deal with it, etc) been deleted before the article went to press.

What I also find interesting is that there appears to be 2 main schools of thought: Those who love Custer and those who despise him.  Even after all this time, anything written about Custer or the Little Big Horn is sure to get some response.

While not a bad thing by itself, it also can be as detrimental to those who are merely seeking the truth as totally discounting the Indian accounts on one hand, and totally discounting the whites accounts on the other.  My guess is the truth lies somewhere in the middle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I found the article to be too the point.  That said, it would have reflected better on the author and this magazine had the sarcasm and rather juvenile comments (ie: Deal with it, etc) been deleted before the article went to press.</p>
<p>What I also find interesting is that there appears to be 2 main schools of thought: Those who love Custer and those who despise him.  Even after all this time, anything written about Custer or the Little Big Horn is sure to get some response.</p>
<p>While not a bad thing by itself, it also can be as detrimental to those who are merely seeking the truth as totally discounting the Indian accounts on one hand, and totally discounting the whites accounts on the other.  My guess is the truth lies somewhere in the middle.</p>
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		<title>By: John Koster</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Koster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NB -- &quot;Thousands&quot; of American Indian languages is mild hyperbole -- there were probably about 300 in the days of Eurpean contact. Only three -- Lakota, Cheyenne, Crow and Arikara -- would have been a factor at the Little Bighorn.Also, worth noting is that Little Bighorn accounts were generally told to officers or reporters within the participant&#039;s lifetime -- many errors came not from the Indians but with reporters trying for a bigger headline. One problem that does exist is the each Indian tended to describe his own part in the fighting rather than trying for a comprehensive picture. The archeology of Richard Fox and Doug Scott broadly confirms the accuracy of what the Indians had to say. The shady stories about a &quot;Siouz ambush&quot;, grass braided together and visual descriptions of Custer&#039;s Last Moments came mostly from white pe0ple who weren&#039;t there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NB &#8212; &#8220;Thousands&#8221; of American Indian languages is mild hyperbole &#8212; there were probably about 300 in the days of Eurpean contact. Only three &#8212; Lakota, Cheyenne, Crow and Arikara &#8212; would have been a factor at the Little Bighorn.Also, worth noting is that Little Bighorn accounts were generally told to officers or reporters within the participant&#8217;s lifetime &#8212; many errors came not from the Indians but with reporters trying for a bigger headline. One problem that does exist is the each Indian tended to describe his own part in the fighting rather than trying for a comprehensive picture. The archeology of Richard Fox and Doug Scott broadly confirms the accuracy of what the Indians had to say. The shady stories about a &#8220;Siouz ambush&#8221;, grass braided together and visual descriptions of Custer&#8217;s Last Moments came mostly from white pe0ple who weren&#8217;t there.</p>
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		<title>By: Aja Barnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aja Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 00:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a high school senior and I guess you would say a history geek. I have read historical books throughout my lifetime and I would have to agree with other commentors. The article&#039;s narrative voice is TO strong. 

In historical articles, one has to watch what he says and presents BOTH sides of the agrument. One also has to take in account that Native Americans never wrote their history down; they would tell their children or their children&#039;s children. AND there are over thousands of Native Americans languages alone, so translation could&#039;ve been lost and other things. 

This article is good, but there should be both sides of the argument and it&#039;s very opinionated which is a bad thing in an artcile.

Please excuse my spelling mistakes ^_^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a high school senior and I guess you would say a history geek. I have read historical books throughout my lifetime and I would have to agree with other commentors. The article&#8217;s narrative voice is TO strong. </p>
<p>In historical articles, one has to watch what he says and presents BOTH sides of the agrument. One also has to take in account that Native Americans never wrote their history down; they would tell their children or their children&#8217;s children. AND there are over thousands of Native Americans languages alone, so translation could&#8217;ve been lost and other things. </p>
<p>This article is good, but there should be both sides of the argument and it&#8217;s very opinionated which is a bad thing in an artcile.</p>
<p>Please excuse my spelling mistakes ^_^</p>
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