Comments on: Polish-Soviet War: Battle of Warsaw http://www.historynet.com/polish-soviet-war-battle-of-warsaw.htm?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=polish-soviet-war-battle-of-warsaw From the World's Largest History Magazine Publisher Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:45:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Dave Thomas http://www.historynet.com/polish-soviet-war-battle-of-warsaw.htm#comment-788901 Dave Thomas Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:38:32 +0000 #comment-788901 Great article. I just read another in my current copy of Strategy & Tactics. Great article. I just read another in my current copy of Strategy & Tactics.

]]> By: Kurt http://www.historynet.com/polish-soviet-war-battle-of-warsaw.htm#comment-787074 Kurt Wed, 18 Jan 2012 12:01:09 +0000 #comment-787074 "The Belorussians, for centuries caught in the crossroads of Roman Catholic Poland and Orthodox Russia, had no outstanding national consciousness yet and were frankly interested in neither in independence nor in Pilsudski's proposals of union. The Polish argument that none of those three nations could stand next to Russia alone fell on deaf ears." Frankly speaking it's a lie. Most Belarusian nationalists agreed to form a federal state with Poland. They fought against Bolsheviks even in ranks of Polish military formations, in independent units or as partisans in Soviet rearguard. But all promises of federal state, equal rights of equal peoples turned out to be false. Poland betted on full assimilation of Belarusians and Ukrainians. After the war some prominent Poles born in Belarus (Edward Wajnilowicz, founder of "Red" Catholic Church in Minsk) said that they felt ashamed and had nothing to say when Belarusians asked them about war-time Warsaw's promises. "The Belorussians, for centuries caught in the crossroads of Roman Catholic Poland and Orthodox Russia, had no outstanding national consciousness yet and were frankly interested in neither in independence nor in Pilsudski's proposals of union. The Polish argument that none of those three nations could stand next to Russia alone fell on deaf ears."

Frankly speaking it's a lie. Most Belarusian nationalists agreed to form a federal state with Poland. They fought against Bolsheviks even in ranks of Polish military formations, in independent units or as partisans in Soviet rearguard.
But all promises of federal state, equal rights of equal peoples turned out to be false. Poland betted on full assimilation of Belarusians and Ukrainians.

After the war some prominent Poles born in Belarus (Edward Wajnilowicz, founder of "Red" Catholic Church in Minsk) said that they felt ashamed and had nothing to say when Belarusians asked them about war-time Warsaw's promises.

]]> By: Pavel Rennenkampf Xocoyoztin http://www.historynet.com/polish-soviet-war-battle-of-warsaw.htm#comment-780627 Pavel Rennenkampf Xocoyoztin Sun, 06 Nov 2011 20:35:42 +0000 #comment-780627 This is the same Poland that made two attempts to gain territory at the expense of the Czechs and whose leaders' inability to master foreign politics in a rational sense rivaled that of Fascist Italy. They won what they did because the Reds were used to having 10:1 advantages, and that's all they had. One can say any Soviet regime would demand territory at Poland's expense but without 1920 they'dve needed a lot to justify it. Invasion of Russia and forcible annexation of Russian lands just made it easy for the Soviets, and even Winnie the Silver-Tongued understood that much. Poland won in 1921, yes, and set up 1939 and thus the Warsaw Pact. Brilliant job on the part of military dictators who think five minutes ahead. This is the same Poland that made two attempts to gain territory at the expense of the Czechs and whose leaders' inability to master foreign politics in a rational sense rivaled that of Fascist Italy. They won what they did because the Reds were used to having 10:1 advantages, and that's all they had. One can say any Soviet regime would demand territory at Poland's expense but without 1920 they'dve needed a lot to justify it. Invasion of Russia and forcible annexation of Russian lands just made it easy for the Soviets, and even Winnie the Silver-Tongued understood that much. Poland won in 1921, yes, and set up 1939 and thus the Warsaw Pact. Brilliant job on the part of military dictators who think five minutes ahead.

]]> By: Pavel Rennenkampf Xocoyoztin http://www.historynet.com/polish-soviet-war-battle-of-warsaw.htm#comment-780625 Pavel Rennenkampf Xocoyoztin Sun, 06 Nov 2011 20:32:52 +0000 #comment-780625 Eh, Poland did well because the Reds were used to fighting armies at most 30,000 strong, so fighting a much bigger army than that was not what they were good at. When the Poles did that, they buggered themselves with the Czechs, Germans, and Russians to completely isolate themselves and would gain at Czechoslovakia's expense and demanded they keep land won at gunpoint in 1944, when the Red Army was occupying Poland. The Polish dictators are the only ones to rival Mussolini in the setting themselves up for catch-22 department. The Reds win the Battle of Warsaw, they still need to beat Wrangel, and they still need to get guys like Baron Ungern-Sternberg, who rivaled Lavrenti Beria and Nikolai Yezhov for sheer murderous insanity. They won't win Warsaw and overrun Europe, they'd take too many casualties to win Warsaw. Eh, Poland did well because the Reds were used to fighting armies at most 30,000 strong, so fighting a much bigger army than that was not what they were good at. When the Poles did that, they buggered themselves with the Czechs, Germans, and Russians to completely isolate themselves and would gain at Czechoslovakia's expense and demanded they keep land won at gunpoint in 1944, when the Red Army was occupying Poland. The Polish dictators are the only ones to rival Mussolini in the setting themselves up for catch-22 department. The Reds win the Battle of Warsaw, they still need to beat Wrangel, and they still need to get guys like Baron Ungern-Sternberg, who rivaled Lavrenti Beria and Nikolai Yezhov for sheer murderous insanity. They won't win Warsaw and overrun Europe, they'd take too many casualties to win Warsaw.

]]> By: WWII buffs - Page 7 - VolNation http://www.historynet.com/polish-soviet-war-battle-of-warsaw.htm#comment-41200 WWII buffs - Page 7 - VolNation Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:51:10 +0000 #comment-41200 [...] of territories inhabited by about 12 million Lithuanians, White Russians and Ukrainians. Something you won't ever read about in history books presented to American school children. Little remembered in the West, the Battle [...] [...] of territories inhabited by about 12 million Lithuanians, White Russians and Ukrainians. Something you won't ever read about in history books presented to American school children. Little remembered in the West, the Battle [...]

]]> By: Bartosz http://www.historynet.com/polish-soviet-war-battle-of-warsaw.htm#comment-10354 Bartosz Sun, 07 Sep 2008 08:17:14 +0000 #comment-10354 Poland stopped on itself the full brunt of the Red Army and defeated an idea of the "export of the revolution." Communist time table was slowed 24 years and countries of the Central Europe were spared from communist rule for a quarter of a century. Western Europe, where revolutionary fever was boiling over on the streets, was spared a bloody fight for survival. Unfortunately, political and military significance of this victory was never fully appreciated by Europeans. Poland stopped on itself the full brunt of the Red Army and defeated an idea of the "export of the revolution." Communist time table was slowed 24 years and countries of the Central Europe were spared from communist rule for a quarter of a century. Western Europe, where revolutionary fever was boiling over on the streets, was spared a bloody fight for survival. Unfortunately, political and military significance of this victory was never fully appreciated by Europeans.

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