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		<title>By: Hussar</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/polish-cavalry-charges-tanks.htm#comment-783540</link>
		<dc:creator>Hussar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 16:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...&quot;During the Bzura counterattack, their infantry swarmed un waves in the open,&quot;..

hmmm... that is not exactly correct... and to be fair, when terrain is open and you must cross it (as it was at the time), there is no option but to move across the open terrain. Germans also did the same in Poland except that they had more fire support. During Bzura counter attack, the Poles knew what they were facing but had no choice but to push on.
Bzura counter attack in the initial stages was quiet successful and forced the German commanders to respond to it quiet quickly and with additional forces. Having said all that, other allied forces did not fare much better with their tactics (then the smaller and more poorly equipped Polish forces) later when faced with the invading Germans despite all that was already demonstrated in the 1939 invasion of Poland and despite having more time to prepare (for German attack) and having better armed forces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#034;During the Bzura counterattack, their infantry swarmed un waves in the open,&#034;..</p>
<p>hmmm&#8230; that is not exactly correct&#8230; and to be fair, when terrain is open and you must cross it (as it was at the time), there is no option but to move across the open terrain. Germans also did the same in Poland except that they had more fire support. During Bzura counter attack, the Poles knew what they were facing but had no choice but to push on.<br />
Bzura counter attack in the initial stages was quiet successful and forced the German commanders to respond to it quiet quickly and with additional forces. Having said all that, other allied forces did not fare much better with their tactics (then the smaller and more poorly equipped Polish forces) later when faced with the invading Germans despite all that was already demonstrated in the 1939 invasion of Poland and despite having more time to prepare (for German attack) and having better armed forces.</p>
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		<title>By: Hussar</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/polish-cavalry-charges-tanks.htm#comment-783539</link>
		<dc:creator>Hussar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 16:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would charge on your horse at full speed to try and break out (from encirclement) but not to charge AT the German tanks rather to get away from them/in between them whilst hoping that you and your horse will make it out alive.... This indeed did take place but not deliberate attacking cavalry charge designed to attack the German tanks on horseback!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would charge on your horse at full speed to try and break out (from encirclement) but not to charge AT the German tanks rather to get away from them/in between them whilst hoping that you and your horse will make it out alive&#8230;. This indeed did take place but not deliberate attacking cavalry charge designed to attack the German tanks on horseback!</p>
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		<title>By: Hussar</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/polish-cavalry-charges-tanks.htm#comment-783538</link>
		<dc:creator>Hussar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 16:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polish TKS with 20mm gun were deadly to the German tanks when employed correctly and with brains even though Polish TKS were smaller and had thiner armour. A German tank officer captured during first days of September 1939 was praising speed and nimbleness of a Polish tankette, claiming that: &quot;...it is very hard to hit such a small cockroach from a gun&quot;.&quot; Polish Plutonowy podchorazy rez. Roman Edmund Orlik (71 armoured dyon of Wielkopolska Cavalry Brigade) was most likely one of the first allied tank aces of WW II and he commanded Polish TKS armed with a 20mm gun (his driver was Kapral - Corporal  Bronislaw Zakrzewski). On 14th of September during the battle of Brochów he eliminated 3 tanks from Panzer-Regiment 36 from 4. Panzer-Division. On 18th of September during the combat of Pociecha he eliminated 3 tanks from Panzer-Regiment 11 from 1 Leichte-Division. He also destroyed several motorized vehicles during that combat and took 2 prisoners of war (tank crew). He also tried to rescue the crew of one of those eliminated by him German tanks - which started to burn but unfortunately, he didn&#039;t manage to rescue them and all of them died.

Among tanks eliminated by Orlik from his small tankette on the 18th of September there was German PzKpfw IV Ausf. B tank of Leutnant (or Oberleutnant ?) Victor IV Albrecht von Ratibor - commander of a platoon. The whole of his tank platoon was eliminated during that combat and Prinz Victor IV Albrecht von Ratibor was heavily WIA and severely burned - and after a few minutes he died. 
On 19th of September Orlik eliminated 7 German tanks (from Panzer-Abteilung 65 or from I battalion of Panzer-Regiment 11) during the battle of Sieraków. Most of those 7 tanks eliminated (most probably 6 of them) were Pz-35(t) tanks.

Plutonowy Orlik&#039;s tankette was one of 2 tankettes from 71 armoured dyon of Wielkopolska Cavalry Brigade (both of them were TKS tankettes with 20mm guns) which broke through to Warsaw (during the night from 20th to 21st of September 1939). He was later fighting in Warsaw until 28th of September 1939. 

As can be seen in the example above, this type of the Polish tankette (with 20 mm gun)  was quiet useful at 1939 standard - this usefulness was experienced by a number of German tank crews to their own detriment as illustrated above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polish TKS with 20mm gun were deadly to the German tanks when employed correctly and with brains even though Polish TKS were smaller and had thiner armour. A German tank officer captured during first days of September 1939 was praising speed and nimbleness of a Polish tankette, claiming that: &#034;&#8230;it is very hard to hit such a small cockroach from a gun&#034;.&#034; Polish Plutonowy podchorazy rez. Roman Edmund Orlik (71 armoured dyon of Wielkopolska Cavalry Brigade) was most likely one of the first allied tank aces of WW II and he commanded Polish TKS armed with a 20mm gun (his driver was Kapral &#8211; Corporal  Bronislaw Zakrzewski). On 14th of September during the battle of Brochów he eliminated 3 tanks from Panzer-Regiment 36 from 4. Panzer-Division. On 18th of September during the combat of Pociecha he eliminated 3 tanks from Panzer-Regiment 11 from 1 Leichte-Division. He also destroyed several motorized vehicles during that combat and took 2 prisoners of war (tank crew). He also tried to rescue the crew of one of those eliminated by him German tanks &#8211; which started to burn but unfortunately, he didn&#039;t manage to rescue them and all of them died.</p>
<p>Among tanks eliminated by Orlik from his small tankette on the 18th of September there was German PzKpfw IV Ausf. B tank of Leutnant (or Oberleutnant ?) Victor IV Albrecht von Ratibor &#8211; commander of a platoon. The whole of his tank platoon was eliminated during that combat and Prinz Victor IV Albrecht von Ratibor was heavily WIA and severely burned &#8211; and after a few minutes he died.<br />
On 19th of September Orlik eliminated 7 German tanks (from Panzer-Abteilung 65 or from I battalion of Panzer-Regiment 11) during the battle of Sieraków. Most of those 7 tanks eliminated (most probably 6 of them) were Pz-35(t) tanks.</p>
<p>Plutonowy Orlik&#039;s tankette was one of 2 tankettes from 71 armoured dyon of Wielkopolska Cavalry Brigade (both of them were TKS tankettes with 20mm guns) which broke through to Warsaw (during the night from 20th to 21st of September 1939). He was later fighting in Warsaw until 28th of September 1939. </p>
<p>As can be seen in the example above, this type of the Polish tankette (with 20 mm gun)  was quiet useful at 1939 standard &#8211; this usefulness was experienced by a number of German tank crews to their own detriment as illustrated above.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Big</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Big</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 23:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You sounded intelligent, right up to typing &quot;Italien.&quot;

Twice, no less!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sounded intelligent, right up to typing &#034;Italien.&#034;</p>
<p>Twice, no less!</p>
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		<title>By: Tanks &#8216;n&#8217; Turkey 2011 &#187; Armchair General</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tanks &#8216;n&#8217; Turkey 2011 &#187; Armchair General</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Andrzej S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrzej S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 19:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank You for posting this information, for myself, It answers alot of questions. You see, my mother is from Zarkie, Malopolska, and was taken away for germanization, her brother was an officer cadet in the Polish Cavalry, and was taken prisoner, and subsequently murdered in Katyn Forest, along with roughly 20,000 other Polish officers of various rank&#039;s. I myself was in the Cdn Army for almost 16 yrs, and during my posting in Germany, I had tried to find out any info regarding this, w/ very little luck, I had even requested  to be allowed leave for this purpose(being allowed to travel to Poland), but was denied several times as Poland was still W/Pact. Thank&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank You for posting this information, for myself, It answers alot of questions. You see, my mother is from Zarkie, Malopolska, and was taken away for germanization, her brother was an officer cadet in the Polish Cavalry, and was taken prisoner, and subsequently murdered in Katyn Forest, along with roughly 20,000 other Polish officers of various rank&#039;s. I myself was in the Cdn Army for almost 16 yrs, and during my posting in Germany, I had tried to find out any info regarding this, w/ very little luck, I had even requested  to be allowed leave for this purpose(being allowed to travel to Poland), but was denied several times as Poland was still W/Pact. Thank&#039;s.</p>
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		<title>By: porhus</title>
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		<dc:creator>porhus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 12:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course Sven Hassel wrote that. It&#039;s natural and logical that he wrote that, cause his beloved Nazi Germany made a propaganda about it, so he couldn&#039;t say something different, don&#039;t you think? They were soldiers, they were trained, they were brave but not stupid. Poland was using cavalry in war but that&#039;s another story, so if you&#039;re interested browse the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course Sven Hassel wrote that. It&#039;s natural and logical that he wrote that, cause his beloved Nazi Germany made a propaganda about it, so he couldn&#039;t say something different, don&#039;t you think? They were soldiers, they were trained, they were brave but not stupid. Poland was using cavalry in war but that&#039;s another story, so if you&#039;re interested browse the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Light brigadier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Light brigadier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 05:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was a child I read a book by Sven Hassel, a German tank soldier, who described in this and other books he wrote his experiences during WW2. I clearly remember his description of the incident when during a fight a number of polish soldiers charged against them riding horses. I doubt very much he made this up so I would say it actually happened. Before one or other side jump over me, please have in mind that a) I only came here while looking for the result of yesterday&#039;s friendly match Spain-Poland, b) those who say Sven Hassel lies also say that gas chambers and Anna Frank did not exist (Erik Haast being his main leader) and c) if  i was going to die anyway would I stand put  waiting for the tanks to kill me, or  would I charge? What would you have done there and then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a child I read a book by Sven Hassel, a German tank soldier, who described in this and other books he wrote his experiences during WW2. I clearly remember his description of the incident when during a fight a number of polish soldiers charged against them riding horses. I doubt very much he made this up so I would say it actually happened. Before one or other side jump over me, please have in mind that a) I only came here while looking for the result of yesterday&#039;s friendly match Spain-Poland, b) those who say Sven Hassel lies also say that gas chambers and Anna Frank did not exist (Erik Haast being his main leader) and c) if  i was going to die anyway would I stand put  waiting for the tanks to kill me, or  would I charge? What would you have done there and then?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles W. Raymond III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles W. Raymond III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, this piece of Nazi propaganda of Polish lancers charging tanks thrives, long after the event.  Just as the invincibility of the German combined arms forces of bliztkrieg, overlooking the reality that most German units were foot infantry and the artillery was horse drawn at that time.  Another bit of Nazi propaganda was the &quot;elite SS&quot;.   However, SS Germania, a motorized infantry regiment, albeit with several subunits on detached missions, yet with an accompanying motorized artillery battalion, was severely mauled west of Lvov in the period 13-17 September 1939.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, this piece of Nazi propaganda of Polish lancers charging tanks thrives, long after the event.  Just as the invincibility of the German combined arms forces of bliztkrieg, overlooking the reality that most German units were foot infantry and the artillery was horse drawn at that time.  Another bit of Nazi propaganda was the &#034;elite SS&#034;.   However, SS Germania, a motorized infantry regiment, albeit with several subunits on detached missions, yet with an accompanying motorized artillery battalion, was severely mauled west of Lvov in the period 13-17 September 1939.</p>
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		<title>By: paul penrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul penrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Polish penchant for fighting an open-style warfare was rooted in their experiences from the Eastern Front of World War I and the 1919-1920 debacle with the Soviets. They were spared the bloody attrition of trench warfare and were not exposed to the horrors of massed artillery, multitudes of machine guns, poison gas and aerial attack. their style of combat resembled the Mexican reviolution of the early 1900&#039;s. The Polish army was the opposite of the French. The latter stressed the defensive above all and the former stressed the offensive. In a battle of equals the Poles could win with this philosophy, but against unexperienced technology they could not. During the Bzura counterattack, their infantry swarmed un waves in the open, and on countless occasions artillery battery horses were driven mad by the shreil of the Jericho trumpets of Stukas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Polish penchant for fighting an open-style warfare was rooted in their experiences from the Eastern Front of World War I and the 1919-1920 debacle with the Soviets. They were spared the bloody attrition of trench warfare and were not exposed to the horrors of massed artillery, multitudes of machine guns, poison gas and aerial attack. their style of combat resembled the Mexican reviolution of the early 1900&#039;s. The Polish army was the opposite of the French. The latter stressed the defensive above all and the former stressed the offensive. In a battle of equals the Poles could win with this philosophy, but against unexperienced technology they could not. During the Bzura counterattack, their infantry swarmed un waves in the open, and on countless occasions artillery battery horses were driven mad by the shreil of the Jericho trumpets of Stukas</p>
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