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		<title>By: N. Kingsley Ormsby</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/operation-market-garden-reconsidered.htm#comment-785268</link>
		<dc:creator>N. Kingsley Ormsby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 21:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Placing perhaps too fine a point on Mr. Gilliland&#039;s cogent commentary, above, the abject failure of Market-Garden rests on the shoulders of Eisenhower. It is one of the profound and tragic ironies of the War in Europe to understand it was Patton and many of his Third Army subordinates, having cut their teeth as old horse soldiers some two decades earlier, who best understood and exploited how tanks and an army-on-the-move could end the War in 1944, and with a minimum of casualities. Patton, denied the resources and command support enjoyed and squandered by Montgomery, had  already created and exploited opportunities the planners of Market-Garden sought to create out of whole cloth. It was Patton, as a result of Third Army&#039;s dash across Southern France,  who was poised in August 1944 to achieve what an ill-conceived Market-Garden did not and indeed, by any objective pre-operational measure, could not-- thrust into Germany and end the war in 1944.

The likes of Lloyd Clark may chose to dismiss such analysis as &quot;conventional thinking&quot;, but one is only left to conclude, &quot;conventional&quot; or not, the idea of giving resources to the commander in the field best poised to exploit opportunity at least a product of &quot;thinking&quot;, as opposed to idle revisionism unsupported by a contemporary assessment of the facts on-the-ground then-existing. At its best, Market-Garden a gamble, whereas Third Army, by dent of performance alone, the prudent instrument to achieve the stated Allied global objective-- unconditional German surrender, and sooner as opposed to even an hour later. Patton himself observed in August 1944 as Third Army began its final thrust before running out of fuel with the German army collapsing in front of it, &quot;it is such a sure thing that I fear someone will stop it&quot;. That &quot;someone&quot; would be Ike and the &quot;something&quot; helping to suck Third Army resource-dry would be Market-Garden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Placing perhaps too fine a point on Mr. Gilliland&#039;s cogent commentary, above, the abject failure of Market-Garden rests on the shoulders of Eisenhower. It is one of the profound and tragic ironies of the War in Europe to understand it was Patton and many of his Third Army subordinates, having cut their teeth as old horse soldiers some two decades earlier, who best understood and exploited how tanks and an army-on-the-move could end the War in 1944, and with a minimum of casualities. Patton, denied the resources and command support enjoyed and squandered by Montgomery, had  already created and exploited opportunities the planners of Market-Garden sought to create out of whole cloth. It was Patton, as a result of Third Army&#039;s dash across Southern France,  who was poised in August 1944 to achieve what an ill-conceived Market-Garden did not and indeed, by any objective pre-operational measure, could not&#8211; thrust into Germany and end the war in 1944.</p>
<p>The likes of Lloyd Clark may chose to dismiss such analysis as &#034;conventional thinking&#034;, but one is only left to conclude, &#034;conventional&#034; or not, the idea of giving resources to the commander in the field best poised to exploit opportunity at least a product of &#034;thinking&#034;, as opposed to idle revisionism unsupported by a contemporary assessment of the facts on-the-ground then-existing. At its best, Market-Garden a gamble, whereas Third Army, by dent of performance alone, the prudent instrument to achieve the stated Allied global objective&#8211; unconditional German surrender, and sooner as opposed to even an hour later. Patton himself observed in August 1944 as Third Army began its final thrust before running out of fuel with the German army collapsing in front of it, &#034;it is such a sure thing that I fear someone will stop it&#034;. That &#034;someone&#034; would be Ike and the &#034;something&#034; helping to suck Third Army resource-dry would be Market-Garden.</p>
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		<title>By: Operation Market Garden &#124; World War II Kiosk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Operation Market Garden &#124; World War II Kiosk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 01:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Geoff Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/operation-market-garden-reconsidered.htm#comment-313730</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the first time I have ever commented on a website like this one, so bear with me. I became interested in Market Garden after the release of the 1986 (or so) computer game on the subject, and had the opportunity  of visiting Arnhem as a tourist in 2000. It is a sobering experience - especially having served as an infantryman myself - to stand where the British recce squadron jeeps were ambushed on the first day, to walk through the railway tunnel that 10Para got all their jeeps and anti tank guns through - all I did was hit my head on the roof and swear. It is also sobering to stand in the middle of the park where four British batallions were virtually annihlated  on tuesday 19th September, 1944 and see just how close the last attempts to break through to the Bridge too far held by 2Para, or to stand at Oosterbeck
and look over the Rhine to Driel, and see just how close XXX Corps came to breaking through.  

Having said that there were other reasons for the failure of the operation besides General Montgomery. These are summed up in three books i would regard as essential reading for anyone interested in Market garden.

&#039;The failure of Browning togive the 82nd U.S. Airborne division a greater priority in capturing the bridge at Nijmegen. This comes only just behing the weakness of the airplan in importance. (Martin Middlebrook, &quot;Arnhem 1944 The Airborne battle, P444)

.. The same voice that had so firmly said to Roy Urquhart &#039; Arnhem Bridge. And hold it&#039; said toJames gavin G.O.C. of the U.S. 82nd Airborne division,&#039; The Groesbeek Heights. Nijmegen Bridge later.&quot;
(&#039;A drop too many&quot;,Major General John Frost, P242)

The whole of Chapter 3 of  &quot;The battle for the Rhine&quot;, by Robin Neillands (may he rest in peace).  The difficulty I have always had is that the delay in taking the Nijmegen bridge was the last straw in the operation - remember that 2Para was tasked to hold the bridge at Arnhem for two days and actually held it for four. Even allowing for any so called delays &quot;to drink tea&quot; XXX Corps arrived in Nijmegen almost on schedule, and had they passed straight over the bridge, they would have been advancing up the Arnhem road which was only lightly held at the time.

 I would like to ask whether the German Army, which unleashed the &#039;Battle of the Bulge&quot; in December 1944 would have just stood by, while the British and Americans developed the salient.. I don&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the first time I have ever commented on a website like this one, so bear with me. I became interested in Market Garden after the release of the 1986 (or so) computer game on the subject, and had the opportunity  of visiting Arnhem as a tourist in 2000. It is a sobering experience &#8211; especially having served as an infantryman myself &#8211; to stand where the British recce squadron jeeps were ambushed on the first day, to walk through the railway tunnel that 10Para got all their jeeps and anti tank guns through &#8211; all I did was hit my head on the roof and swear. It is also sobering to stand in the middle of the park where four British batallions were virtually annihlated  on tuesday 19th September, 1944 and see just how close the last attempts to break through to the Bridge too far held by 2Para, or to stand at Oosterbeck<br />
and look over the Rhine to Driel, and see just how close XXX Corps came to breaking through.  </p>
<p>Having said that there were other reasons for the failure of the operation besides General Montgomery. These are summed up in three books i would regard as essential reading for anyone interested in Market garden.</p>
<p>&#039;The failure of Browning togive the 82nd U.S. Airborne division a greater priority in capturing the bridge at Nijmegen. This comes only just behing the weakness of the airplan in importance. (Martin Middlebrook, &#034;Arnhem 1944 The Airborne battle, P444)</p>
<p>.. The same voice that had so firmly said to Roy Urquhart &#039; Arnhem Bridge. And hold it&#039; said toJames gavin G.O.C. of the U.S. 82nd Airborne division,&#039; The Groesbeek Heights. Nijmegen Bridge later.&#034;<br />
(&#039;A drop too many&#034;,Major General John Frost, P242)</p>
<p>The whole of Chapter 3 of  &#034;The battle for the Rhine&#034;, by Robin Neillands (may he rest in peace).  The difficulty I have always had is that the delay in taking the Nijmegen bridge was the last straw in the operation &#8211; remember that 2Para was tasked to hold the bridge at Arnhem for two days and actually held it for four. Even allowing for any so called delays &#034;to drink tea&#034; XXX Corps arrived in Nijmegen almost on schedule, and had they passed straight over the bridge, they would have been advancing up the Arnhem road which was only lightly held at the time.</p>
<p> I would like to ask whether the German Army, which unleashed the &#039;Battle of the Bulge&#034; in December 1944 would have just stood by, while the British and Americans developed the salient.. I don&#039;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: What went wrong with Operation Market Garden? - Page 3 - World War II Forums</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/operation-market-garden-reconsidered.htm#comment-312243</link>
		<dc:creator>What went wrong with Operation Market Garden? - Page 3 - World War II Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Zack Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/operation-market-garden-reconsidered.htm#comment-58707</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 17:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The many colors are distracting, so hintedy hint hint...</description>
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		<title>By: Gerald Upton</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/operation-market-garden-reconsidered.htm#comment-48147</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald Upton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course the British XXX Corps tankers stopped for tea.  The attitude of any large organization is always set by the leaders at the top, and when did Monty every do anything in a hurry.

Personally I think the resources squandered here would have been better used to secure the approaches to Antwerp.  They were almost completely unguarded at the time, and Antwerp - the second largest port in Europe - had been captured almost intact at the time.  It wasn&#039;t until Monty decided to give his troops a 7-week rest after Market-Garden that the Wehrmacht managed to filter troops back into the approaches to the port, on Hitler&#039;s orders.  Obviously in a strategic sense, Hitler had more sense than Montgomery or Eisenhower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the British XXX Corps tankers stopped for tea.  The attitude of any large organization is always set by the leaders at the top, and when did Monty every do anything in a hurry.</p>
<p>Personally I think the resources squandered here would have been better used to secure the approaches to Antwerp.  They were almost completely unguarded at the time, and Antwerp &#8211; the second largest port in Europe &#8211; had been captured almost intact at the time.  It wasn&#039;t until Monty decided to give his troops a 7-week rest after Market-Garden that the Wehrmacht managed to filter troops back into the approaches to the port, on Hitler&#039;s orders.  Obviously in a strategic sense, Hitler had more sense than Montgomery or Eisenhower.</p>
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		<title>By: J Kenneday</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/operation-market-garden-reconsidered.htm#comment-40063</link>
		<dc:creator>J Kenneday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 06:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Market Garden , if succesful, could have been a serious blow to the Germans. But to be succesful it needed so much to go right that taken overall it was bound that something would go wrong and make a mess of it.

Viewing things in retrospect is always easy, its much harder to be on the spot and make these live and death decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Market Garden , if succesful, could have been a serious blow to the Germans. But to be succesful it needed so much to go right that taken overall it was bound that something would go wrong and make a mess of it.</p>
<p>Viewing things in retrospect is always easy, its much harder to be on the spot and make these live and death decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Cole Stone</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/operation-market-garden-reconsidered.htm#comment-40021</link>
		<dc:creator>Cole Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 02:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what veterans of the operation have to say about the performance of their superior officers.  I worked with a man from the 82nd and he refused to talk about it.  He would only say that they used us as canon fodder for someone&#039;s pipe dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what veterans of the operation have to say about the performance of their superior officers.  I worked with a man from the 82nd and he refused to talk about it.  He would only say that they used us as canon fodder for someone&#039;s pipe dream.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Williamson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Williamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion Market Garden failed for a multitude of reasons,  The operation seemed to be based upon the assumption that the Germans were incapable of fighting back.   Critics in the book a Bridge Too Far pointed out several flaws with the plan, including Paratroops were dropped too far from the bridges to have the element of surprise.   At Arnhem one British officer had volunteered to land a glider force on the south bank of the Rhine (similar to Pegusus Bridge in Normandy).   At Arnhem the British failed to make use of the ferry that crossed the Rhine at Osterbrook and refused to accept the help of the Dutch underground.

Before Market Garden the allies had allowed several thousand German troops trapped West of Antwerp to escape and reinforce the troops available to oppose initial British drive to Eindhoven.   The Dutch also discussed how they had war gamed attacking along the highway between Nimagen and Arnhem with the British and how difficult this was.    The British had made up their minds already, the Dutch underground also warned the British that the German Tank Units were in the Arnhem area, all of this crucial information was ignored and dismissed.   

The performance of the Allied Airborne Forces was beyond heroic, they were unable to overcome  the fatal flaws and assumptions made by the military leaders who proposed Market Garden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion Market Garden failed for a multitude of reasons,  The operation seemed to be based upon the assumption that the Germans were incapable of fighting back.   Critics in the book a Bridge Too Far pointed out several flaws with the plan, including Paratroops were dropped too far from the bridges to have the element of surprise.   At Arnhem one British officer had volunteered to land a glider force on the south bank of the Rhine (similar to Pegusus Bridge in Normandy).   At Arnhem the British failed to make use of the ferry that crossed the Rhine at Osterbrook and refused to accept the help of the Dutch underground.</p>
<p>Before Market Garden the allies had allowed several thousand German troops trapped West of Antwerp to escape and reinforce the troops available to oppose initial British drive to Eindhoven.   The Dutch also discussed how they had war gamed attacking along the highway between Nimagen and Arnhem with the British and how difficult this was.    The British had made up their minds already, the Dutch underground also warned the British that the German Tank Units were in the Arnhem area, all of this crucial information was ignored and dismissed.   </p>
<p>The performance of the Allied Airborne Forces was beyond heroic, they were unable to overcome  the fatal flaws and assumptions made by the military leaders who proposed Market Garden.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Dishno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Dishno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for you, Terry &amp; Jim!
I never thought Montgomery was worth much except to brew tea. It is good for history to point out what a dud he reallly was.</description>
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I never thought Montgomery was worth much except to brew tea. It is good for history to point out what a dud he reallly was.</p>
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