Comments on: Operation Bagration: Soviet Offensive of 1944 http://www.historynet.com/operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944.htm From the World's Largest History Magazine Publisher Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:53:54 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Dédé73 http://www.historynet.com/operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944.htm/comment-page-1#comment-143953 Dédé73 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:53:30 +0000 #comment-143953 BAGRATION offensive May be one of the reasons which can explain the defeat of German Army (Center Group) is the very low number of fighters. At the 22nd of June 1944, The 6th Luftflöte (général Von Greim) was equipped with only 40 (forty) fighter . Those fighters were reinforced few later but they were missing during the beginning of Soviet Offensive) . It was due mainly to the campaign of strategic bombing over Germany by 8th Air force, which forced German fighters to struggle in Germany against Flying Fortresses and more difficult ,(since May 1944) long range fighters Mustang P 51. By this way, Soviet assault planes as IL-2 could strike german troops and véhicles more easily. BAGRATION offensive

May be one of the reasons which can explain the defeat of German Army (Center Group) is the very low number of fighters.
At the 22nd of June 1944, The 6th Luftflöte (général Von Greim) was equipped with only 40 (forty) fighter . Those fighters were reinforced few later but they were missing during the beginning of Soviet Offensive) .
It was due mainly to the campaign of strategic bombing over Germany by 8th Air force, which forced German fighters to struggle in Germany against Flying Fortresses and more difficult ,(since May 1944) long range fighters Mustang P 51. By this way, Soviet assault planes as IL-2 could strike german troops and véhicles more easily.

]]> By: Remember the Russians on D-Day « Asian Security Blog http://www.historynet.com/operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944.htm/comment-page-1#comment-122775 Remember the Russians on D-Day « Asian Security Blog Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:21:12 +0000 #comment-122775 [...] in late 1942). The last major German offensive around Kursk in the summer of 1943 was halted. The enormous Soviet offensive of 1944 dwarfed anything the Western allies could put on the continent that same year. This event would [...] [...] in late 1942). The last major German offensive around Kursk in the summer of 1943 was halted. The enormous Soviet offensive of 1944 dwarfed anything the Western allies could put on the continent that same year. This event would [...]

]]> By: Wasabi http://www.historynet.com/operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944.htm/comment-page-1#comment-59838 Wasabi Sat, 09 May 2009 18:42:42 +0000 #comment-59838 Hitler was Stalin's best feild commander. Since the Soviet winter offensive his dedication to "hold at all costs" robbed the German feild commanders of their most potent weapon,...maneuver. Manstein illustrated this brilliantly in the winter of 43 in his withdrawal/counterattack to retake Karkov, even after the debacle of Stalingrad and the retreat of the 1st Panzer Army from the Caucuses. But I suspect that that even without the military prowess of Adolph Hitler, the Red Army would have eventually over powered the Wermacht, but with much heavier casulaties and a year later. The post-war map may also have been much different. Hitler was Stalin’s best feild commander. Since the Soviet winter offensive his dedication to “hold at all costs” robbed the German feild commanders of their most potent weapon,…maneuver. Manstein illustrated this brilliantly in the winter of 43 in his withdrawal/counterattack to retake Karkov, even after the debacle of Stalingrad and the retreat of the 1st Panzer Army from the Caucuses.
But I suspect that that even without the military prowess of Adolph Hitler, the Red Army would have eventually over powered the Wermacht, but with much heavier casulaties and a year later. The post-war map may also have been much different.

]]> By: Corrector http://www.historynet.com/operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944.htm/comment-page-1#comment-57095 Corrector Fri, 01 May 2009 00:37:37 +0000 #comment-57095 Re: Diego Please note that the term casualties does not mean the number killed. It means the total number of people killed, wounded, taken prisoner, gone missing, and caught some debilitating disease. The Germans suffered 290,000 killed/missing and 150,000 captured, in addition to another 120,000 wounded/sickened. The Soviets, on the other hand, suffered ~178,000 men killed/missing and a insignificant number captured. The vast majority of their casualties were the 590,000 men who were wounded/sickened. For both sides, the vast majority of men were able to recover from their injuries. So, in truth, the permanent losses for the Germans were 440,000 men while the Soviets permanently lost only 178,000 men. That's nearly a 3:1 kill ratio in the Red Armies favor. Re: Diego

Please note that the term casualties does not mean the number killed. It means the total number of people killed, wounded, taken prisoner, gone missing, and caught some debilitating disease.

The Germans suffered 290,000 killed/missing and 150,000 captured, in addition to another 120,000 wounded/sickened.

The Soviets, on the other hand, suffered ~178,000 men killed/missing and a insignificant number captured. The vast majority of their casualties were the 590,000 men who were wounded/sickened.

For both sides, the vast majority of men were able to recover from their injuries. So, in truth, the permanent losses for the Germans were 440,000 men while the Soviets permanently lost only 178,000 men. That’s nearly a 3:1 kill ratio in the Red Armies favor.

]]> By: Paul Jackson http://www.historynet.com/operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944.htm/comment-page-1#comment-29248 Paul Jackson Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:24:18 +0000 #comment-29248 Let's see Operation Bagration 765 000 Russian casualties v 350 000 German casualties This equals brilliant victory of manouvre by dynamic peoples army. The Somme 610 000 French/British casualties v 450 000 German casualties This of course is a hideous blunder by a bunch of donkeys. There has to be a whole bunch of German casualties that are not being mentioned, either that or I'm that little kid saying the Emperors got no clothes on. Let’s see

Operation Bagration
765 000 Russian casualties v
350 000 German casualties
This equals brilliant victory of manouvre by dynamic peoples army.

The Somme
610 000 French/British casualties v
450 000 German casualties
This of course is a hideous blunder by a bunch of donkeys.

There has to be a whole bunch of German casualties that are not being mentioned, either that or I’m that little kid saying the Emperors got no clothes on.

]]> By: diego http://www.historynet.com/operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944.htm/comment-page-1#comment-11531 diego Fri, 19 Sep 2008 03:21:09 +0000 #comment-11531 Stalin was Georgian too Stalin was Georgian too

]]> By: Nari http://www.historynet.com/operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944.htm/comment-page-1#comment-4724 Nari Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:05:48 +0000 #comment-4724 Petre Bagrationi was not a Russian prince. He was from Georgia, from Georgian royal dinasty. Petre Bagrationi was not a Russian prince. He was from Georgia, from Georgian royal dinasty.

]]> By: different points of view - Page 2 - World War II Forums http://www.historynet.com/operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944.htm/comment-page-1#comment-3737 different points of view - Page 2 - World War II Forums Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:50:40 +0000 #comment-3737 [...] long to launch your 2nd. Front and we are already winning by ourselves, why bother now, eh?" http://www.historynet.com/operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944.htm http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=5719 [...] [...] long to launch your 2nd. Front and we are already winning by ourselves, why bother now, eh?" http://www.historynet.com/operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944.htm http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=5719 [...]

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