Comments on: Operation Bagration: Soviet Offensive of 1944 http://www.historynet.com/operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944.htm?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944 From the World's Largest History Magazine Publisher Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:45:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Bingre http://www.historynet.com/operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944.htm#comment-780186 Bingre Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:28:13 +0000 #comment-780186 I think, leaving behind all lyrism and poetry, the war beacame at one simple conclusion- the strongest take the upper hand, When the Red Army, wich was bigger than the German since the beggining, rallyes from the firsts losses, upgrade the equipment to be better than the German the victory became at sight. Someone can tell there is the famous Tigers and Panthers panzers but they were always vastly outnumbered, besides the panzer 4 was the german warhorse but markedly inferior to the t 34, their main tank . And there is the logistics- when the German Army still use horses to pull wagons the Red Army got 220000(!) new American trucks. This fact always was minimized\encovered by the Soviets but was crucial as an advancing huge armored force needs constant suplies. In 44 the industrial war production from the German was nealy equal to the Soviets but they got to deployed it in 3 fronts... Greetings to all. I think, leaving behind all lyrism and poetry, the war beacame at one simple conclusion- the strongest take the upper hand, When the Red Army, wich was bigger than the German since the beggining, rallyes from the firsts losses, upgrade the equipment to be better than the German the victory became at sight. Someone can tell there is the famous Tigers and Panthers panzers but they were always vastly outnumbered, besides the panzer 4 was the german warhorse but markedly inferior to the t 34, their main tank . And there is the logistics- when the German Army still use horses to pull wagons the Red Army got 220000(!) new American trucks. This fact always was minimized\encovered by the Soviets but was crucial as an advancing huge armored force needs constant suplies.
In 44 the industrial war production from the German was nealy equal to the Soviets but they got to deployed it in 3 fronts…
Greetings to all.

]]> By: rlthtzhz http://www.historynet.com/operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944.htm#comment-778649 rlthtzhz Tue, 27 Sep 2011 10:35:52 +0000 #comment-778649 Your numbers are not good pal;) Your numbers are not good pal;)

]]> By: Sophia Stalzer Wyant http://www.historynet.com/operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944.htm#comment-621611 Sophia Stalzer Wyant Tue, 28 Jun 2011 02:42:30 +0000 #comment-621611 Frank, THANK YOU for your comments. What I remember hearing from that time long ago was that part of the German Army was correlled into a swamp area and that most of them died in that quick sand area. Have you ever read or heard anything about that? Any comments will be appreciated. Do you know of any other sites where survivors may have posted messages? THANK YOU from Minnesota Frank, THANK YOU for your comments. What I remember hearing from that time long ago was that part of the German Army was correlled into a swamp area and that most of them died in that quick sand area. Have you ever read or heard anything about that?

Any comments will be appreciated.

Do you know of any other sites where survivors may have posted messages?

THANK YOU from Minnesota

]]> By: Frank http://www.historynet.com/operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944.htm#comment-621479 Frank Mon, 27 Jun 2011 22:34:16 +0000 #comment-621479 While the Germans were severely handicapped by that military genius Adolf Hitler, one must give credit to the improved Soviet battle doctrine. Their leadership and combined arms coordination evolved through hard-fough bloody warfare with a skilful and highly disciplined enemy. The Soviets learned their lessons well. Two ideas for thought: 1. The previous defeats that led the Germans to occupy such a precarious position in the first place, and 2. Bagration was a brilliant success, but we in the west do not give credit where it is due. Germany had lost he war before Normandy (as big as an event as it was in the West). While the Germans were severely handicapped by that military genius Adolf Hitler, one must give credit to the improved Soviet battle doctrine. Their leadership and combined arms coordination evolved through hard-fough bloody warfare with a skilful and highly disciplined enemy. The Soviets learned their lessons well. Two ideas for thought:
1. The previous defeats that led the Germans to occupy such a precarious position in the first place, and
2. Bagration was a brilliant success, but we in the west do not give credit where it is due. Germany had lost he war before Normandy (as big as an event as it was in the West).

]]> By: Travis http://www.historynet.com/operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944.htm#comment-602402 Travis Tue, 14 Jun 2011 17:11:35 +0000 #comment-602402 It is Adolf not Adolph Hitler. Yes the stand fast mentality hurt both the USSR and Germany on the Eastern Front - see Stalin;s orders to stand fast in front of Kiev in the Autumn of 1941. It is Adolf not Adolph Hitler. Yes the stand fast mentality hurt both the USSR and Germany on the Eastern Front – see Stalin;s orders to stand fast in front of Kiev in the Autumn of 1941.

]]> By: Sophia Stalzer Wyant http://www.historynet.com/operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944.htm#comment-511328 Sophia Stalzer Wyant Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:17:29 +0000 #comment-511328 I understand that my brother Wilhelm Spreitzer born in 1921 in Wildbach, Gottschee may have been in this area during the war. Any information regarding him would be greatly appreciated. Sophia Stalzer Wyant I understand that my brother Wilhelm Spreitzer born in 1921 in Wildbach, Gottschee may have been in this area during the war.

Any information regarding him would be greatly appreciated.

Sophia Stalzer Wyant

]]> By: Bruce http://www.historynet.com/operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944.htm#comment-232493 Bruce Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:05:30 +0000 #comment-232493 When considering the short-distance punches of previous Soviet offensive and counter-offensive operations (less likely to produce major encirclement), limits not of leadership (men like Rokossovsky were among the best), but of logistical ability (Red Army simply did not have enough trucks to support long drives prior to 1944 Lend Lease levels), it seems some credit for the level of success in Bagration should also be given to the Studebaker Co. When considering the short-distance punches of previous Soviet offensive and counter-offensive operations (less likely to produce major encirclement), limits not of leadership (men like Rokossovsky were among the best), but of logistical ability (Red Army simply did not have enough trucks to support long drives prior to 1944 Lend Lease levels), it seems some credit for the level of success in Bagration should also be given to the Studebaker Co.

]]> By: Operation Bagration - World War II Zone Forums http://www.historynet.com/operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944.htm#comment-156235 Operation Bagration - World War II Zone Forums Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:28:17 +0000 #comment-156235 [...] Re: Operation Bagration New Link Is: Operation Bagration: Soviet Offensive of 1944 [...] [...] Re: Operation Bagration New Link Is: Operation Bagration: Soviet Offensive of 1944 [...]

]]> By: Dédé73 http://www.historynet.com/operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944.htm#comment-143953 Dédé73 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:53:30 +0000 #comment-143953 BAGRATION offensive May be one of the reasons which can explain the defeat of German Army (Center Group) is the very low number of fighters. At the 22nd of June 1944, The 6th Luftflöte (général Von Greim) was equipped with only 40 (forty) fighter . Those fighters were reinforced few later but they were missing during the beginning of Soviet Offensive) . It was due mainly to the campaign of strategic bombing over Germany by 8th Air force, which forced German fighters to struggle in Germany against Flying Fortresses and more difficult ,(since May 1944) long range fighters Mustang P 51. By this way, Soviet assault planes as IL-2 could strike german troops and véhicles more easily. BAGRATION offensive

May be one of the reasons which can explain the defeat of German Army (Center Group) is the very low number of fighters.
At the 22nd of June 1944, The 6th Luftflöte (général Von Greim) was equipped with only 40 (forty) fighter . Those fighters were reinforced few later but they were missing during the beginning of Soviet Offensive) .
It was due mainly to the campaign of strategic bombing over Germany by 8th Air force, which forced German fighters to struggle in Germany against Flying Fortresses and more difficult ,(since May 1944) long range fighters Mustang P 51. By this way, Soviet assault planes as IL-2 could strike german troops and véhicles more easily.

]]> By: Remember the Russians on D-Day « Asian Security Blog http://www.historynet.com/operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944.htm#comment-122775 Remember the Russians on D-Day « Asian Security Blog Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:21:12 +0000 #comment-122775 [...] in late 1942). The last major German offensive around Kursk in the summer of 1943 was halted. The enormous Soviet offensive of 1944 dwarfed anything the Western allies could put on the continent that same year. This event would [...] [...] in late 1942). The last major German offensive around Kursk in the summer of 1943 was halted. The enormous Soviet offensive of 1944 dwarfed anything the Western allies could put on the continent that same year. This event would [...]

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