Comments on: Napoleonic Wars: Battle of Quatre Bras http://www.historynet.com/napoleonic-wars-battle-of-quatre-bras.htm From the World's Largest History Magazine Publisher Sat, 25 May 2013 15:12:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: General Research | jamiejones99 http://www.historynet.com/napoleonic-wars-battle-of-quatre-bras.htm#comment-1133239 General Research | jamiejones99 Wed, 22 May 2013 12:23:05 +0000 #comment-1133239 [...] http://www.historynet.com/napoleonic-wars-battle-of-quatre-bras.htm Share this:TwitterFacebookLike this:Like Loading... This entry was posted in Lauder-Carnegie Heritage, Production. Bookmark the permalink. ← Venue Exhibition Research – Edinburgh National Museum Style Investigations → [...] [...] http://www.historynet.com/napoleonic-wars-battle-of-quatre-bras.htm Share this:TwitterFacebookLike this:Like Loading… This entry was posted in Lauder-Carnegie Heritage, Production. Bookmark the permalink. ← Venue Exhibition Research – Edinburgh National Museum Style Investigations → [...]

]]> By: Chris http://www.historynet.com/napoleonic-wars-battle-of-quatre-bras.htm#comment-319950 Chris Wed, 18 Aug 2010 06:30:06 +0000 #comment-319950 "Wellington had'never been defeated in Spain". What was the siege of Burgos then? "Wellington had'never been defeated in Spain". What was the siege of Burgos then?

]]> By: Chris http://www.historynet.com/napoleonic-wars-battle-of-quatre-bras.htm#comment-319692 Chris Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:28:19 +0000 #comment-319692 Oh, and thirdly the battle was not a tactical allied victory. Both sides retained their original positions, both sides failed to beat the other. The allies retreated, having failed to join Blucher. Oh, and thirdly the battle was not a tactical allied victory. Both sides retained their original positions, both sides failed to beat the other. The allies retreated, having failed to join Blucher.

]]> By: Chris http://www.historynet.com/napoleonic-wars-battle-of-quatre-bras.htm#comment-319691 Chris Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:25:18 +0000 #comment-319691 A few points: Firstly, the 69th lost their King's Colour. Secondly, Wellington was not nearly always outnumbered in the Peninsular. At Rolica, Vimiero, Talavera, Salamanca, Vitoria, Oporto, Orthez and Toulouse he outnumbered the French. Nor was he quite the 'brilliant general' typified here. He was outmanoeuvered by Napoleon from beginning to end, and along with Blucher enjoyed a two-to-one superiority in numbers at Waterloo. A few points: Firstly, the 69th lost their King's Colour. Secondly, Wellington was not nearly always outnumbered in the Peninsular. At Rolica, Vimiero, Talavera, Salamanca, Vitoria, Oporto, Orthez and Toulouse he outnumbered the French. Nor was he quite the 'brilliant general' typified here. He was outmanoeuvered by Napoleon from beginning to end, and along with Blucher enjoyed a two-to-one superiority in numbers at Waterloo.

]]> By: Geoffrey May http://www.historynet.com/napoleonic-wars-battle-of-quatre-bras.htm#comment-189752 Geoffrey May Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:41:50 +0000 #comment-189752 Actually , having another look , it doesn't appear that Jerome Arrived until the arrival of Picton, which would have left Ney with 2 French Divisions against 2 Dutch Divisions for the first hour. Which means that Ney NEVER had a numerical advantage. It should also be remembered that , Girards Division, of Reille's Corp, had followed Prussians from Gosslies toward Ligny , so Ney would have known that he had several Prussians corps behind his right flank. Actually , having another look , it doesn't appear that Jerome Arrived until the arrival of Picton, which would have left Ney with 2 French Divisions against 2 Dutch Divisions for the first hour. Which means that Ney NEVER had a numerical advantage.
It should also be remembered that , Girards Division, of Reille's Corp, had followed Prussians from Gosslies toward Ligny , so Ney would have known that he had several Prussians corps behind his right flank.

]]> By: Geoffrey May http://www.historynet.com/napoleonic-wars-battle-of-quatre-bras.htm#comment-189639 Geoffrey May Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:29:14 +0000 #comment-189639 Ney never had more than 3 French divisions infantry , 16,000 men at most. Although he had the Guard Lancers, Napoleon had ordered him not to use them .Reille was a veteran commander, yet in the above account, he doesn't play any role . Is that true ? Historians criticize Ney for being too cautious, and then for being too reckless.Given his record as a professional soldier,neither of these charges seems likely,but Bonapartists , were anxious to lay the blame for defeat at his feet , to save Napoleons reputation. Napoleon never tried to mend fences with Ney, ( over both the Fountainbleu confrontation, when Ney informed Napoleon that the troop would follow their officers, and not Napoleon, and Ney's unfortunate " Iron cage" comment and called on him only as a last resort , on the eve of the campaign. Full credit to Chase for deploying his troops to look like the visible elements of Wellington's deployments in Spain, Ney never had more than 3 French divisions infantry , 16,000 men at most. Although he had the Guard Lancers, Napoleon had ordered him not to use them .Reille was a veteran commander, yet in the above account, he doesn't play any role . Is that true ?
Historians criticize Ney for being too cautious, and then for being too reckless.Given his record as a professional soldier,neither of these charges seems likely,but Bonapartists , were anxious to lay the blame for defeat at his feet , to save Napoleons reputation.
Napoleon never tried to mend fences with Ney, ( over both the Fountainbleu confrontation, when Ney informed Napoleon that the troop would follow their officers, and not Napoleon, and Ney's unfortunate " Iron cage" comment and called on him only as a last resort , on the eve of the campaign.
Full credit to Chase for deploying his troops to look like the visible elements of Wellington's deployments in Spain,

]]> By: Paul Lawson http://www.historynet.com/napoleonic-wars-battle-of-quatre-bras.htm#comment-53410 Paul Lawson Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:46:05 +0000 #comment-53410 A rather lot of gushing and anecdotes about Wellington and the British and very few details of the Dutch-Belgians during the battle other than that they broke; traditional English-biased storytelling. If the Dutch had concentrated at Nivelles per Wellington's orders, Ney would have taken Quatre Bras without D'Erlon's assistance, leaving the latter to help deliver a more shattering blow to the Prussians at Ligny. With the French in control of Quatre Bras, the Anglo-Allied Army would have had a harder time concentrating before Napoleon reached Brussels. Without the glory of Waterloo, Americans would lump Wellington into the group of generals defeated by Napoleon (the Spanish Campaign isn't very well known outside of Napoleonic buffs on this side of the pond). On a side Dutch anecdote, I recently read that the commanding officer of the 5th National Militia, which fought so well at Quatre Bras, was the former commander of the Dutch battalion of Napoleon's Imperial Guard. A rather lot of gushing and anecdotes about Wellington and the British and very few details of the Dutch-Belgians during the battle other than that they broke; traditional English-biased storytelling.

If the Dutch had concentrated at Nivelles per Wellington's orders, Ney would have taken Quatre Bras without D'Erlon's assistance, leaving the latter to help deliver a more shattering blow to the Prussians at Ligny. With the French in control of Quatre Bras, the Anglo-Allied Army would have had a harder time concentrating before Napoleon reached Brussels. Without the glory of Waterloo, Americans would lump Wellington into the group of generals defeated by Napoleon (the Spanish Campaign isn't very well known outside of Napoleonic buffs on this side of the pond).

On a side Dutch anecdote, I recently read that the commanding officer of the 5th National Militia, which fought so well at Quatre Bras, was the former commander of the Dutch battalion of Napoleon's Imperial Guard.

]]> By: Robert Nichols http://www.historynet.com/napoleonic-wars-battle-of-quatre-bras.htm#comment-34059 Robert Nichols Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:03:56 +0000 #comment-34059 This is the most biased, one sided account of the Waterloo Campainge I recall ever having read. But then you do not provide any sources for your article either. Perhaps Napoleon was a tyrant, however his 'dangerous revolutionary ideas' continue today in the form of the Code de Napoleon, the Republic, and the ideal of egalitarianism. R This is the most biased, one sided account of the Waterloo Campainge I recall ever having read. But then you do not provide any sources for your article either. Perhaps Napoleon was a tyrant, however his 'dangerous revolutionary ideas' continue today in the form of the Code de Napoleon, the Republic, and the ideal of egalitarianism.

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