Comments on: Mongol Invasions: Battle of Liegnitz http://www.historynet.com/mongol-invasions-battle-of-liegnitz.htm From the World's Largest History Magazine Publisher Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:31:52 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: jam http://www.historynet.com/mongol-invasions-battle-of-liegnitz.htm/comment-page-1#comment-93862 jam Thu, 30 Jul 2009 05:03:21 +0000 #comment-93862 One thing Mongol history has demonstrated is that the more astute general will take the victory. Weapons mean little if your generals don't know how to use them effectively. The Mongols have only lost a couple times in history, and never has it been because of technological advancement over their own, because they were smart enough to overcome most of that. The only reason why they lost were because: (1) the enemy was smarter than them (such as Vietnam, who were themselves actually outnumbered by the Mongols, so despite an advantage the Mongols lost 3 times to the Vietnamese back then), and (2) the enemy was damn lucky (Japan, the Mongols actually landed on Japan and were giving Japan a hard time, and so the Mongols, based on the assessment, decided to take it seriously and send a real force to take over Japan; however, a storm destroyed the boat the Mongols were sent in, and the Mongols simply had to withdraw). One thing Mongol history has demonstrated is that the more astute general will take the victory. Weapons mean little if your generals don’t know how to use them effectively. The Mongols have only lost a couple times in history, and never has it been because of technological advancement over their own, because they were smart enough to overcome most of that. The only reason why they lost were because: (1) the enemy was smarter than them (such as Vietnam, who were themselves actually outnumbered by the Mongols, so despite an advantage the Mongols lost 3 times to the Vietnamese back then), and (2) the enemy was damn lucky (Japan, the Mongols actually landed on Japan and were giving Japan a hard time, and so the Mongols, based on the assessment, decided to take it seriously and send a real force to take over Japan; however, a storm destroyed the boat the Mongols were sent in, and the Mongols simply had to withdraw).

]]> By: froto http://www.historynet.com/mongol-invasions-battle-of-liegnitz.htm/comment-page-1#comment-34893 froto Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:29:41 +0000 #comment-34893 this is such a kewl site!!!!!!!!!! this is such a kewl site!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: Rune Voldsbekk http://www.historynet.com/mongol-invasions-battle-of-liegnitz.htm/comment-page-1#comment-26739 Rune Voldsbekk Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:20:40 +0000 #comment-26739 As one of the 'Westeners' of European descent and present alliance of superiority: I am fundamentally changed by reading this history. I used to base my grasp of the world on the history of the development of technology and democracy via the states formed since 1500 DC leading to trade, science and money as we know it. I believed in the continuous development story since year zero with Jesus and all that even though I am not religious. After evaluating the Mongol conquest, this is changed forever as I think it ought to do for us all. By 1210, the world had in my mind, two superpowers; the Muslim and the Chinese. Both of them were incredibly conquered by the Mongols and one man. I think they would have had no problem with overtaking Europe as well. England was invaded with 10000 soldiers 150 years before and the Spanish armada 250 years later, was not more than a few times bigger. The Mongols had already taken on armies of up to 400 000 several times and killed all without significant losses to themselves. They brought down almost ~80000 Russians and ~80000 Poles/Hungarians outnumbered one to 4 and with losses perhaps less than one to 40. A few years later, they had 150 000 soldiers in the area. Western Europe had no idea what was going on and no relevant ability to stand up to it. The Catholic Church had over 1000 year of rule not only made Western Europe a ridicule of moral and wrongdoing wrt. investments and bad medicine. Its military capability was a joke compared to what was almost next door. The western worlds conquest following this (after 1500 AC and until today) is not a result of its own ability, but a result of the power vacuum following Mongol conquest and decline (which the Mongols caused themselves). We have to view our self more as the mammal in the shape of a sort of rat, that crept out from hiding when the comet had killed all the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. Just as the present world power, USA, has its power mainly as a result of not being seriously hit by WW2 and WW1, a large portion of the world powers of the last 500 years are the ones on the outside borders of Mongol conquest. (Turkey/Ottoman, Egypt, Russia, Western Europe, India, Japan, Siam, Vietnam). A number of states more powerful than these, 'went out' of the history books forever. I wish this history would be taken much more seriously. If we do not, we are just adding more lies regarding the basis of our power as the winner of the war can do. In this case, Western Europe is actually not even the winner, but the small, corner of little interest that was not overtaken due to other circumstances. As one of the ‘Westeners’ of European descent and present alliance of superiority:

I am fundamentally changed by reading this history. I used to base my grasp of the world on the history of the development of technology and democracy via the states formed since 1500 DC leading to trade, science and money as we know it. I believed in the continuous development story since year zero with Jesus and all that even though I am not religious.

After evaluating the Mongol conquest, this is changed forever as I think it ought to do for us all. By 1210, the world had in my mind, two superpowers; the Muslim and the Chinese. Both of them were incredibly conquered by the Mongols and one man.

I think they would have had no problem with overtaking Europe as well. England was invaded with 10000 soldiers 150 years before and the Spanish armada 250 years later, was not more than a few times bigger. The Mongols had already taken on armies of up to 400 000 several times and killed all without significant losses to themselves. They brought down almost ~80000 Russians and ~80000 Poles/Hungarians outnumbered one to 4 and with losses perhaps less than one to 40. A few years later, they had 150 000 soldiers in the area.

Western Europe had no idea what was going on and no relevant ability to stand up to it. The Catholic Church had over 1000 year of rule not only made Western Europe a ridicule of moral and wrongdoing wrt. investments and bad medicine. Its military capability was a joke compared to what was almost next door.

The western worlds conquest following this (after 1500 AC and until today) is not a result of its own ability, but a result of the power vacuum following Mongol conquest and decline (which the Mongols caused themselves). We have to view our self more as the mammal in the shape of a sort of rat, that crept out from hiding when the comet had killed all the dinosaurs 65 million years ago.

Just as the present world power, USA, has its power mainly as a result of not being seriously hit by WW2 and WW1, a large portion of the world powers of the last 500 years are the ones on the outside borders of Mongol conquest. (Turkey/Ottoman, Egypt, Russia, Western Europe, India, Japan, Siam, Vietnam).
A number of states more powerful than these, ‘went out’ of the history books forever.

I wish this history would be taken much more seriously. If we do not, we are just adding more lies regarding the basis of our power as the winner of the war can do. In this case, Western Europe is actually not even the winner, but the small, corner of little interest that was not overtaken due to other circumstances.

]]> By: GUILLERMO GONZALEZ http://www.historynet.com/mongol-invasions-battle-of-liegnitz.htm/comment-page-1#comment-18721 GUILLERMO GONZALEZ Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:42:34 +0000 #comment-18721 THIS MEDIEVAL "MISADVENTURE" SHOULD WAKE-UP ALL "WESTERNERS" OF EUROPEAN DESCENT FROM THE ILLUSION, THAT THE WEST WAS AND CONTINUES TO BE A SUPERIOR BASTION OF CULTURE AND MILITARY MIGHT THAT WAS NEVER IN DANGER FROM THE "DARK FORCES" OF WHAT WE CALL TODAY THE "THIRD-WORLD" . THE TRUTH IS THAT EUROPE WAS ACTUALLY A SMALL PART OF THE WORLD THEN AND CONTINUES TO BE TODAY . EVEN AFTER INDUSTRIALIZATION AND MODERNIZATION THE MAJORITY OF HUMANITY AND RESOURCES CONTINUES TO BE IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD OF "DARKNESS" . EUROPEANS OF ALL KINDS SHOULD BE SEEKING UNITY AND BROTHERHOOD AND ADOPT "CLEAR THINKNG" OF WHERE THE DANGER IS ACTUALLY COMNG FROM. THIS MEDIEVAL “MISADVENTURE” SHOULD WAKE-UP ALL “WESTERNERS” OF EUROPEAN DESCENT FROM THE ILLUSION, THAT THE WEST WAS AND CONTINUES TO BE A SUPERIOR BASTION OF CULTURE AND MILITARY MIGHT THAT WAS NEVER IN DANGER FROM THE “DARK FORCES” OF WHAT WE CALL TODAY THE “THIRD-WORLD” .

THE TRUTH IS THAT EUROPE WAS ACTUALLY A SMALL PART OF THE WORLD THEN AND CONTINUES TO BE TODAY .

EVEN AFTER INDUSTRIALIZATION AND MODERNIZATION THE MAJORITY OF HUMANITY AND RESOURCES CONTINUES TO BE IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD OF “DARKNESS” .

EUROPEANS OF ALL KINDS SHOULD BE SEEKING UNITY AND BROTHERHOOD AND ADOPT “CLEAR THINKNG” OF WHERE THE DANGER IS ACTUALLY COMNG FROM.

]]> By: Ken http://www.historynet.com/mongol-invasions-battle-of-liegnitz.htm/comment-page-1#comment-10527 Ken Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:33:49 +0000 #comment-10527 The Mongols ultimately withdrew from Eastern Europe not because they loss any battle or because they were fearful, but because the great Khan Ogotai had died and a new Khan had to be elected The Mongols ultimately withdrew from Eastern Europe not because they loss any battle or because they were fearful, but because the great Khan Ogotai had died and a new Khan had to be elected

]]> By: John http://www.historynet.com/mongol-invasions-battle-of-liegnitz.htm/comment-page-1#comment-7786 John Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:38:03 +0000 #comment-7786 There are a lot of mistakes in the text. The true is: king Henry hte Pious lost the battle and Mongolians moved towards the Czech kingdom. King Wenceslau stopped them with his big army near Olomouc so that they didn`t go on to the central Europe and to the western Europe. They ran away to Hungaria. There are a lot of mistakes in the text. The true is: king Henry hte Pious lost the battle and Mongolians moved towards the Czech kingdom. King Wenceslau stopped them with his big army near Olomouc so that they didn`t go on to the central Europe and to the western Europe. They ran away to Hungaria.

]]> By: Phil http://www.historynet.com/mongol-invasions-battle-of-liegnitz.htm/comment-page-1#comment-3005 Phil Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:31:31 +0000 #comment-3005 "On the very day that Henry and so many of his men had fallen, King Béla IV left Pest with an army of some 60,000­70,000 fighting men to confront the larger Mongol force." I believe your number is off here. “On the very day that Henry and so many of his men had fallen, King Béla IV left Pest with an army of some 60,000­70,000 fighting men to confront the larger Mongol force.”

I believe your number is off here.

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