Comments on: Mexico's Aviation Enthusiasm http://www.historynet.com/mexicos-aviation-enthusiasm.htm?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=mexicos-aviation-enthusiasm From the World's Largest History Magazine Publisher Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:24:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Ronald R. Gilliam http://www.historynet.com/mexicos-aviation-enthusiasm.htm#comment-383798 Ronald R. Gilliam Sat, 04 Dec 2010 21:49:23 +0000 #comment-383798 Carlo, Buena suerte con tu "Record Attempt"! Ron Gilliam Carlo,
Buena suerte con tu "Record Attempt"!
Ron Gilliam

]]> By: Ronald R. Gilliam http://www.historynet.com/mexicos-aviation-enthusiasm.htm#comment-383797 Ronald R. Gilliam Sat, 04 Dec 2010 21:47:47 +0000 #comment-383797 Victor, Badly damaged in a forced landing shortly after being delivered (very late) to the customer, Mexico's secretary of war and navy, BC-3 was shipped back to Tijuana for restoration by the original builder (who had to form a new company, as the original Tijuana Airplane Factory had gone out of business for lack of follow-on work from the government). When the plane was ready to fly back to Mexico City (which also took longer than anticipated), the builder, Jose Flavio Rivera, obtained permission to deliver it to the capital by way of a long-distance non-stop demonstration flight from Tijuana to San Salvador, then to Mexico City. Trying to take off from Rosarito Beach at low tide (existing airfields were too short for the plane with its extra-large load of fuel) on November 1, 1929, BC-3 crashed when the pilot lost control when a tire burst at high speed on the softening sand surface. The plane completely broke up, but did not catch fire. Fred Ayars,an American aircraft builder (and briefly president of a Ryan Aircraft offshoot company), without whose tireless help Rivera could never had finished the restoration, was killed by a shifting load. The American pilot was injured but recovered; the third crew member, a Mexican mechanic, came through without injury. The BC-2, by the way, crashed in the Sierra Madre Occidental on January 19, 1929, on an attempted flight from Mexicali to Merida (Yucatan), Mexico's two state capitals farthest apart. This was several months after Fierro's return from his Cuban and Central American goodwill tours. The pilot who crashed BC-2 (Miguel Colorado y Cupido) survived his injuries. BC-1, which was crashed by Capt. Luis Farell Cubillas, in close to the same location, was shipped to a technical institute in Mexico City for "research into designs for airmail planes;" there is no record I've seen that it ever flew again. Best regards, Ron Gilliam Victor,
Badly damaged in a forced landing shortly after being delivered (very late) to the customer, Mexico's secretary of war and navy, BC-3 was shipped back to Tijuana for restoration by the original builder (who had to form a new company, as the original Tijuana Airplane Factory had gone out of business for lack of follow-on work from the government). When the plane was ready to fly back to Mexico City (which also took longer than anticipated), the builder, Jose Flavio Rivera, obtained permission to deliver it to the capital by way of a long-distance non-stop demonstration flight from Tijuana to San Salvador, then to Mexico City. Trying to take off from Rosarito Beach at low tide (existing airfields were too short for the plane with its extra-large load of fuel) on November 1, 1929, BC-3 crashed when the pilot lost control when a tire burst at high speed on the softening sand surface. The plane completely broke up, but did not catch fire. Fred Ayars,an American aircraft builder (and briefly president of a Ryan Aircraft offshoot company), without whose tireless help Rivera could never had finished the restoration, was killed by a shifting load. The American pilot was injured but recovered; the third crew member, a Mexican mechanic, came through without injury.
The BC-2, by the way, crashed in the Sierra Madre Occidental on January 19, 1929, on an attempted flight from Mexicali to Merida (Yucatan), Mexico's two state capitals farthest apart. This was several months after Fierro's return from his Cuban and Central American goodwill tours. The pilot who crashed BC-2 (Miguel Colorado y Cupido) survived his injuries.
BC-1, which was crashed by Capt. Luis Farell Cubillas, in close to the same location, was shipped to a technical institute in Mexico City for "research into designs for airmail planes;" there is no record I've seen that it ever flew again.
Best regards,
Ron Gilliam

]]> By: Ronald R. Gilliam http://www.historynet.com/mexicos-aviation-enthusiasm.htm#comment-383770 Ronald R. Gilliam Sat, 04 Dec 2010 21:09:50 +0000 #comment-383770 Oscar, Gracias por el kudos -- y por tanta informacion mas interesante sobre Carrillo ("Pinocho"), Najera, el museo del ejercito y FAM en Guadalajara, y el website www.mexicanaviationhistory.com ... no lo sabia antes. Veo por el website que eres historiador de aviacion -- que bien! Creo que los primeros aviones, como el de Najera en 1918, eran "home-built," como Pinocho con la ayuda de la revista "Popular Mechanics". (Para mi perspectiva en la historia temprana de la aviacion mexicana, ve mi articulo "Revolutionary Beginnings of Military Aviation," en la revista "Aviation History," May 2000. En cuanto a mi biliografia, la fuente principal era "Esta es mi vida" (1964) por Roberto Fierro Villalobos mismo. La biblioteca del Museo de Aviacion/FAM tiene una copia (segun el website. Yo regale mi copia a la biblioteca del Air and Space Museum of San Diego (California, EUA), donde vivia cuando escribia el articulo. Ademas de eso, utilize varios informes y memorias accesibles en los archivos del museo, y busque en libros escritos por Ruiz Romero, etc. Mi socio en el Seminaio de Historia de Baja California cuando vivia yo en Ensenada, el Dr. Fermin Barajas Marquez (de Tijuana, donde es/era cirujano-dentista y aficionado de historia), escribio al mismo tiempo una conferencia para el Seminario (y la Sociedad de Historia de Tijuana) sobre "La Fabrica de Aviones en Tijuana de Zaragoza" usando las mismas fuentes, mayormente. Se puede accesarla en "Memoria 2001" del Seminario de Historia de Baja California, A.C., Reyerson 99, Zona Centro C.P. 22800, Ensenada, B.C. Buena suerte con su busqueda! Ron Gilliam Oscar,
Gracias por el kudos — y por tanta informacion mas interesante sobre Carrillo ("Pinocho"), Najera, el museo del ejercito y FAM en Guadalajara, y el website http://www.mexicanaviationhistory.com … no lo sabia antes.
Veo por el website que eres historiador de aviacion — que bien!
Creo que los primeros aviones, como el de Najera en 1918, eran "home-built," como Pinocho con la ayuda de la revista "Popular Mechanics". (Para mi perspectiva en la historia temprana de la aviacion mexicana, ve mi articulo "Revolutionary Beginnings of Military Aviation," en la revista "Aviation History," May 2000.
En cuanto a mi biliografia, la fuente principal era "Esta es mi vida" (1964) por Roberto Fierro Villalobos mismo. La biblioteca del Museo de Aviacion/FAM tiene una copia (segun el website. Yo regale mi copia a la biblioteca del Air and Space Museum of San Diego (California, EUA), donde vivia cuando escribia el articulo. Ademas de eso, utilize varios informes y memorias accesibles en los archivos del museo, y busque en libros escritos por Ruiz Romero, etc. Mi socio en el Seminaio de Historia de Baja California cuando vivia yo en Ensenada, el Dr. Fermin Barajas Marquez (de Tijuana, donde es/era cirujano-dentista y aficionado de historia), escribio al mismo tiempo una conferencia para el Seminario (y la Sociedad de Historia de Tijuana) sobre "La Fabrica de Aviones en Tijuana de Zaragoza" usando las mismas fuentes, mayormente. Se puede accesarla en "Memoria 2001" del Seminario de Historia de Baja California, A.C., Reyerson 99, Zona Centro C.P. 22800, Ensenada, B.C.
Buena suerte con su busqueda!
Ron Gilliam

]]> By: Carlos R. Guido http://www.historynet.com/mexicos-aviation-enthusiasm.htm#comment-339073 Carlos R. Guido Sat, 18 Sep 2010 05:16:26 +0000 #comment-339073 Hello aeronautical fanatics...my name is Carlos R. Guido and I intend to probably break a world record for a mexican citizen...and that is to fly around the world on a cessna 350......and all of the profits collected will be entirely donated to the tijuana dog rescue foundation and the animal humane society........Thank you. Hello aeronautical fanatics…my name is Carlos R. Guido and I

intend to probably break a world record for a mexican citizen…and

that is to fly around the world on a cessna 350……and all of the

profits collected will be entirely donated to the tijuana dog

rescue foundation and the animal humane society……..Thank you.

]]> By: Victor http://www.historynet.com/mexicos-aviation-enthusiasm.htm#comment-189310 Victor Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:43:04 +0000 #comment-189310 I wonder if you have more information about BC-3 airplane. I know BC-1 crash landed in Sonora and BC-2 was flown by Fierro but I have not found any reference to BC-3 whereabouts. Best regards! I wonder if you have more information about BC-3 airplane.
I know BC-1 crash landed in Sonora and BC-2 was flown by Fierro but I have not found any reference to BC-3 whereabouts.
Best regards!

]]> By: Oscar Ramirez Alvarado http://www.historynet.com/mexicos-aviation-enthusiasm.htm#comment-110758 Oscar Ramirez Alvarado Wed, 02 Sep 2009 06:42:38 +0000 #comment-110758 Excelent article Ron. In regard to Dalia Lara cuestion, I would like to add that the plane that Carrillo built, was a Pietempol Air Camper. And the planes were taken from Popular Mecanic Journal I think 1927. That plane was not the first ever so built in México, (a particular or private one) in fact Alberto Nájera Mercado made one for himself in 1918. The previous planes were "pioneers" and later made by military authorities. The real success that Mario Carrillo obtained was in fact the success against odds, advertaising of the time made him a legend. In addition to this you can see the plane in "Cuartel Colorado" Museum in Guadalajara. México. There is an article about in mexicanaviationhistory.com Dear Ron, can you please tell me your bibliographie. I would like to search about books. Best regards. Excelent article Ron.

In regard to Dalia Lara cuestion, I would like to add that the plane that Carrillo built, was a Pietempol Air Camper. And the planes were taken from Popular Mecanic Journal I think 1927.

That plane was not the first ever so built in México, (a particular or private one) in fact Alberto Nájera Mercado made one for himself in 1918. The previous planes were "pioneers" and later made by military authorities.

The real success that Mario Carrillo obtained was in fact the success against odds, advertaising of the time made him a legend.

In addition to this you can see the plane in "Cuartel Colorado" Museum in Guadalajara. México.

There is an article about in mexicanaviationhistory.com

Dear Ron, can you please tell me your bibliographie. I would like to search about books.

Best regards.

]]> By: Ron Gilliam http://www.historynet.com/mexicos-aviation-enthusiasm.htm#comment-101278 Ron Gilliam Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:17:53 +0000 #comment-101278 Delia Lara, You're welcome! I'm glad you enjoyed reading it; I enjoyed writing it. A bit late, but I just happened to come across (in pages 200-204 of Fernando Jordan's Mar Roxo de Cortes: Biografia de un golfo; Universidad Autonoma de Baja California, SEP, 1995; ISBN 968-7326-25-5) the Mexican aviation pioneer you asked about. On 14 May 1936, Miguel Carrillo Aguilar flew a home-built airplane (named "Pinocho") from Zitacuaro to Morelia, and from Morelia to Mexico City. The astonishing thing was that, according to Jordan, he had built the entire plane himself, "from the propellor to the tail, including the engine," the first time anything like this had ever been done in Mexico. It took three years, but he designed the plane, supervised the cutting of the wooden parts, assembled the airframe, covered it with fabric, and doped it himself. Zitacuaro had no airfield, so he had to build one to test-fly his plane; he had flown some before, but these were his first solo flights. Actually, he adapted and extensively modified a Ford automobile engine, which took two years of the three on the project. (The three planes of the Baja California series built in Tijuana, you may recall, used American aircraft engines.) " The historic flight took two hours, with a refueling stop at Morela and a brief stop-over of 30 minutes (at Villa del Carbon) while the wind died down." Carrillo afterwards entered the Fuerza Aerea de Mexico, largely on the strength of this amazing achievement and the precocity and solid interest in everything aeronautical it represented. He rose to the rank of Capitan, before becoming restless and disenchanted with the bureaucracy, and left the service around 1942 to move to Cabo San Lucas, BCS, having fallen in love with the desert on an earlier trip. In Baja California Sur, where he was always known by the nickname "Pinocho," he was regarded as something of an eccentric, but had no difficulty turning his mechanical genius to repairing or rebuilding automobile, truck, boat and aircraft engines, buying and rebuilding scrapped airplanes, etc. He reportedly turned down offers of employment from Douglas Aircraft Company in Los Angeles, California, so far had his fame spread by 1950. I hope this information helps you; you can probably find out more now that you have the name of the individual. Best regards, Ron Gilliam Delia Lara,
You're welcome! I'm glad you enjoyed reading it; I enjoyed writing it.
A bit late, but I just happened to come across (in pages 200-204 of Fernando Jordan's Mar Roxo de Cortes: Biografia de un golfo; Universidad Autonoma de Baja California, SEP, 1995; ISBN 968-7326-25-5) the Mexican aviation pioneer you asked about.
On 14 May 1936, Miguel Carrillo Aguilar flew a home-built airplane (named "Pinocho") from Zitacuaro to Morelia, and from Morelia to Mexico City. The astonishing thing was that, according to Jordan, he had built the entire plane himself, "from the propellor to the tail, including the engine," the first time anything like this had ever been done in Mexico. It took three years, but he designed the plane, supervised the cutting of the wooden parts, assembled the airframe, covered it with fabric, and doped it himself. Zitacuaro had no airfield, so he had to build one to test-fly his plane; he had flown some before, but these were his first solo flights. Actually, he adapted and extensively modified a Ford automobile engine, which took two years of the three on the project. (The three planes of the Baja California series built in Tijuana, you may recall, used American aircraft engines.) " The historic flight took two hours, with a refueling stop at Morela and a brief stop-over of 30 minutes (at Villa del Carbon) while the wind died down."
Carrillo afterwards entered the Fuerza Aerea de Mexico, largely on the strength of this amazing achievement and the precocity and solid interest in everything aeronautical it represented. He rose to the rank of Capitan, before becoming restless and disenchanted with the bureaucracy, and left the service around 1942 to move to Cabo San Lucas, BCS, having fallen in love with the desert on an earlier trip. In Baja California Sur, where he was always known by the nickname "Pinocho," he was regarded as something of an eccentric, but had no difficulty turning his mechanical genius to repairing or rebuilding automobile, truck, boat and aircraft engines, buying and rebuilding scrapped airplanes, etc. He reportedly turned down offers of employment from Douglas Aircraft Company in Los Angeles, California, so far had his fame spread by 1950.
I hope this information helps you; you can probably find out more now that you have the name of the individual.
Best regards,
Ron Gilliam

]]> By: Delia Lara http://www.historynet.com/mexicos-aviation-enthusiasm.htm#comment-940 Delia Lara Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:10:21 +0000 #comment-940 Than you for this wonderful story! I would also like to know more about another aviator who was also a pioneer in Mexico's aviation, who built an airplane on his own and flew from Morelia to mexico City in 1937. Than you for this wonderful story! I would also like to know more about another aviator who was also a pioneer in Mexico's aviation, who built an airplane on his own and flew from Morelia to mexico City in 1937.

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