Comments on: Marie Dorion and The Astoria Expedition http://www.historynet.com/marie-dorion-and-the-astoria-expedition.htm From the World's Largest History Magazine Publisher Fri, 24 May 2013 15:55:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Jennifer Pepper http://www.historynet.com/marie-dorion-and-the-astoria-expedition.htm#comment-950240 Jennifer Pepper Fri, 15 Mar 2013 08:21:57 +0000 #comment-950240 I find a couple different stories about Pierre. I have read more than once that there was a Pierre Sr married to Holy Rainbow and Pierre Jr married to Marie. If I remember right, Jane K in her book has Holy Rainbow as Pierre mother. Here it says there was one Pierre married to both??? I always thought it strange that Pierre Sr and Jr had similar list of children's names. Sr having the longer list. Jean Baptiste being the most unusual. It is put as Pierre Sr child with Holy Rainbow. As child of Pierre with Marie. And the she married a Jean Baptiste. Confusing. I find a couple different stories about Pierre. I have read more than once that there was a Pierre Sr married to Holy Rainbow and Pierre Jr married to Marie. If I remember right, Jane K in her book has Holy Rainbow as Pierre mother. Here it says there was one Pierre married to both??? I always thought it strange that Pierre Sr and Jr had similar list of children's names. Sr having the longer list. Jean Baptiste being the most unusual. It is put as Pierre Sr child with Holy Rainbow. As child of Pierre with Marie. And the she married a Jean Baptiste. Confusing.

]]> By: britneedshelp http://www.historynet.com/marie-dorion-and-the-astoria-expedition.htm#comment-819514 britneedshelp Tue, 02 Oct 2012 01:07:56 +0000 #comment-819514 I need a website for Pierre Corking for s.s and they give u no good detailed answer they don't even say what day he was born or when he died I need help and FAST? MY PROJECT IS DUE THE 11 AND ITS THE 1 OF OCT. AWWW UFFA? IM ITALIAN DONT WORRY! HELP I BET PEOPLE WONT EVEN ANSWER MY QUESTION A YEAR FROM NOW THANK ANYWAY I need a website for Pierre Corking for s.s and they give u no good detailed answer they don't even say what day he was born or when he died I need help and FAST? MY PROJECT IS DUE THE 11 AND ITS THE 1 OF OCT. AWWW UFFA? IM ITALIAN DONT WORRY! HELP I BET PEOPLE WONT EVEN ANSWER MY QUESTION A YEAR FROM NOW THANK ANYWAY

]]> By: Virginia http://www.historynet.com/marie-dorion-and-the-astoria-expedition.htm#comment-799582 Virginia Fri, 04 May 2012 20:37:15 +0000 #comment-799582 The author states ..... "Since then, her name has been largely forgotten". However, a women's dormitory at Eastern Oregon University in LaGrande is Dorion Hall, a street in Pendleton is named after her, a park in Milton-Freewater is named after her, There is a large sign by the church (St Louis) near Gervais which tells about Marie Dorion. Yes, Pearl, in some instances historical fiction may be mostly fiction. J. Kirkpatrick is careful in her research to learn actual facts, but, as you read above, the "embellishments" are to create interest in history, especially of women. The author states ….. "Since then, her name has been largely forgotten".
However, a women's dormitory at Eastern Oregon University in LaGrande is Dorion Hall, a street in Pendleton is named after her, a park in Milton-Freewater is named after her, There is a large sign by the church (St Louis) near Gervais which tells about Marie Dorion.
Yes, Pearl, in some instances historical fiction may be mostly fiction. J. Kirkpatrick is careful in her research to learn actual facts, but, as you read above, the "embellishments" are to create interest in history, especially of women.

]]> By: Holly Shea http://www.historynet.com/marie-dorion-and-the-astoria-expedition.htm#comment-794865 Holly Shea Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:14:36 +0000 #comment-794865 I echo what Dar said above: St. Charles is in eastern Missouri, not too far from St. Louis. I echo what Dar said above: St. Charles is in eastern Missouri, not too far from St. Louis.

]]> By: Stacey http://www.historynet.com/marie-dorion-and-the-astoria-expedition.htm#comment-783317 Stacey Thu, 01 Dec 2011 23:17:41 +0000 #comment-783317 I am searching for the book Only the Earth: The Story of Marie Dorion by Ruth Schmerber. I can not find it anywhere. Maybe someone out there could help me locate a copy? My mom wants it for Christmas, she has ready everything else on Marie Dorion that she can get her hands on. Thank you in advance for any help. I am searching for the book Only the Earth: The Story of Marie Dorion by Ruth Schmerber.
I can not find it anywhere. Maybe someone out there could help me locate a copy?
My mom wants it for Christmas, she has ready everything else on Marie Dorion that she can get her hands on.
Thank you in advance for any help.

]]> By: Dar http://www.historynet.com/marie-dorion-and-the-astoria-expedition.htm#comment-721384 Dar Mon, 29 Aug 2011 22:05:55 +0000 #comment-721384 Good historical fiction that accurately portrays past events is enormously important as a portal. I used it often when teaching middle school history. One nit-pick on the article: St. Charles is in eastern Missouri on the Missouri River just above its confluence with the Mississippi. It was often used as a jumping off point for expeditions originating in St. Louis. Good historical fiction that accurately portrays past events is enormously important as a portal. I used it often when teaching middle school history.

One nit-pick on the article: St. Charles is in eastern Missouri on the Missouri River just above its confluence with the Mississippi. It was often used as a jumping off point for expeditions originating in St. Louis.

]]> By: Linda http://www.historynet.com/marie-dorion-and-the-astoria-expedition.htm#comment-634722 Linda Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:42:56 +0000 #comment-634722 I totally agree with Kathleen. I never would have learned about Marie, if it hadn't been for Jane's books. Awesome research, Jane! Would love to hear more from Sue, as being an ancestor of Pierre Dorian. I totally agree with Kathleen. I never would have learned about Marie, if it hadn't been for Jane's books. Awesome research, Jane!

Would love to hear more from Sue, as being an ancestor of Pierre Dorian.

]]> By: Kathleen http://www.historynet.com/marie-dorion-and-the-astoria-expedition.htm#comment-622620 Kathleen Wed, 29 Jun 2011 00:09:15 +0000 #comment-622620 Pearl, I for one know more history, I guess you would say "facts", because of Jane's fiction and believe without her fiction I would never have learned what a remarkable woman Marie was. I will not try and out fact you but I have spent the past year researching Marie and have found Jane's stories covers those facts and also fills in with her speculation to help bring Marie's story more to life. Jane is the first to say her books are fiction based on historical fact so I do not understand your need to post the same information Pearl, I for one know more history, I guess you would say "facts", because of Jane's fiction and believe without her fiction I would never have learned what a remarkable woman Marie was. I will not try and out fact you but I have spent the past year researching Marie and have found Jane's stories covers those facts and also fills in with her speculation to help bring Marie's story more to life. Jane is the first to say her books are fiction based on historical fact so I do not understand your need to post the same information

]]> By: sue http://www.historynet.com/marie-dorion-and-the-astoria-expedition.htm#comment-577282 sue Sun, 29 May 2011 04:18:35 +0000 #comment-577282 I am the ancester of pierre dorien I am the ancester of pierre dorien

]]> By: Jane Kirkpatrick http://www.historynet.com/marie-dorion-and-the-astoria-expedition.htm#comment-501824 Jane Kirkpatrick Wed, 23 Mar 2011 03:48:35 +0000 #comment-501824 You're right, Pearl. My books are fiction. Sadly, much of women's history has to use fiction to fill in the blanks as much of what was written down about historical women -- Indian women especially -- was written down by men. that's not bad but male reporters might not be commenting on things of interest to women. I wrote the series because I was intrigued about the fact of discovering that Marie and Sacagawea were contemporaries. Both were Indian women married to French Canadian and were involved with white male fur expeditions AND they were both pregnant. I felt sure they must have had something to say to each other. Then I had to research whether their languages would enable them to communicate. Virginia Woolf once wrote that "women's history must be invented, both uncovered and made up." And writer Frederick Buechner noted that fiction is not true the way a photograph is true, capturing a moment in time; but it is true the way a portrait is true, capturing the essence of a time and people over time. I tried to do that. And while I know it is not fact, I also believe the story to be "true." Best of all, the story has moved people to discover more, explore what is fact and fiction, and even make a trip to walk where she walked. I couldn't ask for more. thanks for your comments! jane You're right, Pearl. My books are fiction. Sadly, much of women's history has to use fiction to fill in the blanks as much of what was written down about historical women — Indian women especially — was written down by men. that's not bad but male reporters might not be commenting on things of interest to women. I wrote the series because I was intrigued about the fact of discovering that Marie and Sacagawea were contemporaries. Both were Indian women married to French Canadian and were involved with white male fur expeditions AND they were both pregnant. I felt sure they must have had something to say to each other. Then I had to research whether their languages would enable them to communicate. Virginia Woolf once wrote that "women's history must be invented, both uncovered and made up." And writer Frederick Buechner noted that fiction is not true the way a photograph is true, capturing a moment in time; but it is true the way a portrait is true, capturing the essence of a time and people over time. I tried to do that. And while I know it is not fact, I also believe the story to be "true." Best of all, the story has moved people to discover more, explore what is fact and fiction, and even make a trip to walk where she walked. I couldn't ask for more. thanks for your comments! jane

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