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	<title>Comments on: Lashing Back &#8211; Israel’s 1947-1948 Civil War</title>
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		<title>By: Dov Coder</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/lashing-back-israel-1947-1948-civil-war.htm/comment-page-2#comment-87743</link>
		<dc:creator>Dov Coder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Israel is accused of conducting a Nazi policy - without any factual basis for such a serious statement, and contrary to reality in which the state of Israel operates according to democratic laws and under the watchful eye of the Supreme Court (which is world renowned) - this is a case of anti-semitism. When there is one-sided criticism of the security fence and roadblocks to check Palestinian traffic, without presenting anti-Israel terrorism and Israels need for defensive measures, this is a discriminatory attitude. 

When human rights organizations devote a great part of their time to criticizing the state of Israel but do not refer equally to blatant human rights violations elsewhere, such as the premeditated murder by Palestinian terrorist organizations for decades of thousands of innocent Israeli citizens including infants, children and old people, and even more since the intifada, to the mass murders and expulsions in other places for example, in Sudan, or to ignoring the denial of citizen rights to women and homosexuals as is common in many Arab and Muslim countries - this is a one-sided discriminatory attitude whose motives we should question. In quite a few cases the motives are anti-semitic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Israel is accused of conducting a Nazi policy &#8211; without any factual basis for such a serious statement, and contrary to reality in which the state of Israel operates according to democratic laws and under the watchful eye of the Supreme Court (which is world renowned) &#8211; this is a case of anti-semitism. When there is one-sided criticism of the security fence and roadblocks to check Palestinian traffic, without presenting anti-Israel terrorism and Israels need for defensive measures, this is a discriminatory attitude. </p>
<p>When human rights organizations devote a great part of their time to criticizing the state of Israel but do not refer equally to blatant human rights violations elsewhere, such as the premeditated murder by Palestinian terrorist organizations for decades of thousands of innocent Israeli citizens including infants, children and old people, and even more since the intifada, to the mass murders and expulsions in other places for example, in Sudan, or to ignoring the denial of citizen rights to women and homosexuals as is common in many Arab and Muslim countries &#8211; this is a one-sided discriminatory attitude whose motives we should question. In quite a few cases the motives are anti-semitic.</p>
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		<title>By: sampieses</title>
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		<dc:creator>sampieses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Little is said of, as how the Jewish settlers, on ground purchased from the Palestinians, succeeded in what the Palestinian Arabs had failed to (and could never) accomplish, i.e., make the land productive, the merciless attacks by the Arabs upon defenseless settlers. Until the Irgun were properly established - and that was one hell of a long time after 1868 - and a tit for tat rule was established - then, and only then, did the Arabs really  start to become concerned. The Jewish people wanted only what they had purchased, and they needed to consolidate their aquisitions, which they did, eventually,i.a.. So many refuse to take an in-depth look at the past before commiting their ignorance to word. Such are the Colin Smiths of this world</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little is said of, as how the Jewish settlers, on ground purchased from the Palestinians, succeeded in what the Palestinian Arabs had failed to (and could never) accomplish, i.e., make the land productive, the merciless attacks by the Arabs upon defenseless settlers. Until the Irgun were properly established &#8211; and that was one hell of a long time after 1868 &#8211; and a tit for tat rule was established &#8211; then, and only then, did the Arabs really  start to become concerned. The Jewish people wanted only what they had purchased, and they needed to consolidate their aquisitions, which they did, eventually,i.a.. So many refuse to take an in-depth look at the past before commiting their ignorance to word. Such are the Colin Smiths of this world</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is laughable in it&#039;s bias and revision of history. I thought to subscribe to this magazine, but am now glad i didn&#039;t. The State of Palestine was ethnically cleansed of 800,000 Palestinian Arabs, 531 villages were bulldozed flat and kibbutz built on top of them, there were 58 massacres, there was rape, torture, and atrocities committed by all the Zionist gangs and militias.  The Palestinians are being methodically but relentlessly being pushed off their land. This policy continues today.Illegal settlements have broken up the Occupied Territories, The system of control has been compared to apartheid, the politics of the Zionist State called Nazism by prominent Jews.Palestinians are arbitrarily harassed by over 600 internal checkpoints, a meandering wall, and strutting, arrogant IDF troops who believe that God gave them the land. The brutality of the occupation has brutalized Israeli society and traumatized it&#039;s youth. Israel has become a pariah in the international community, kept afloat by billions of US dollars.The only state that has disappeared is Palestine, not Israel. Added to this, world opinion has concluded that Israel, with it&#039;s nuclear weapons, is the most dangerous state in the world. So much for historical truth!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is laughable in it&#8217;s bias and revision of history. I thought to subscribe to this magazine, but am now glad i didn&#8217;t. The State of Palestine was ethnically cleansed of 800,000 Palestinian Arabs, 531 villages were bulldozed flat and kibbutz built on top of them, there were 58 massacres, there was rape, torture, and atrocities committed by all the Zionist gangs and militias.  The Palestinians are being methodically but relentlessly being pushed off their land. This policy continues today.Illegal settlements have broken up the Occupied Territories, The system of control has been compared to apartheid, the politics of the Zionist State called Nazism by prominent Jews.Palestinians are arbitrarily harassed by over 600 internal checkpoints, a meandering wall, and strutting, arrogant IDF troops who believe that God gave them the land. The brutality of the occupation has brutalized Israeli society and traumatized it&#8217;s youth. Israel has become a pariah in the international community, kept afloat by billions of US dollars.The only state that has disappeared is Palestine, not Israel. Added to this, world opinion has concluded that Israel, with it&#8217;s nuclear weapons, is the most dangerous state in the world. So much for historical truth!</p>
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		<title>By: Arabicus Books &#38; Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arabicus Books &#38; Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benny Morris’s almost exclusive reliance on Israeli documentation results in a one-sided narrative of the civil war. Many of his conclusions are not supported by the documentary record or eyewitness accounts.

The Arab-Zionist conflict was predicted after World War I. The 1919 U.S. King-Crane Commission confirmed that founding a Jewish state in Palestine could not be accomplished without violating “the civil and religious rights” of the indigenous Arabs. The British military warned that transforming Arab Palestine into a Jewish state could only be carried out “by force of arms.” 

War provides governments with strategic justification and cover to carry out ethnic cleansing. David Ben Gurion, head of the Jewish Agency, viewed war as an opportunity to deal with the “Arab problem.” Under his leadership, Jewish settlers began preparing militarily in the 1930s for a decisive war to seize control of Palestine.

The U.N. partition resolution of November 29, 1947 sparked the civil war. U.S., British, U.N., Zionist and Arab military analysts concur that Zionist militias were far superior in manpower and armament than the Palestinian Arabs during the civil war. The Haganah, IZL, and LHI went on the offensive in December 1947, according to experienced on-site U.S. and British military officers. 

Zionist forces depopulated twenty-six known Palestinian villages before April 1948, while Britain remained responsible for law and order in Palestine. The Haganah launched Plan D in early April when British troops were too few to counter Zionist offensives. The British hands-off policy during the civil war enabled the Arabs’ expulsions. During the civil war, the Palestinian Arabs were forced out of the major cities including: Acre, Baysan, Haifa, Jaffa, Safad, and Tiberias. Zionist militias seized control of most of the British-built state and military apparatus before May 15, 1948.

The Zionists used the cover of war to deliberately and systematically expel over 400,000 Palestinian Arabs from 225 villages, towns, and cities before May 15. The majority of the Palestinians (55%) were forcibly displaced during the civil war before the British left Palestine on May 15. Even those cities and villages that concluded nonaggression pacts with the Zionists were attacked and their people expelled, including al-Maliha, al-Shaykh Muwannis, Abu Kishk, Miska, Haifa, Jaffa, Dayr Yasin, and many others. About 6,000 Jews were killed during the 1948 war, and an estimated 20,000 Palestinian Arabs.

This was not a war against combatants; the Red Cross estimated that 84% of the Palestinians expelled were children under 15, pregnant and nursing mothers, the elderly, and the infirm. As the Arabs were being driven out, Jewish settlers robbed, harassed, humiliated, and killed them. Palestinians survivors reported that in numerous villages, those who remained after a Zionist attack—the handicapped, sick, wounded, and the elderly—were killed. Churches, mosques, and cemeteries were desecrated and destroyed to eliminate the Palestinian presence from the land.
	
Even the last British High Commissioner of Palestine, General Sir Alan Cunningham viewed the Zionists’ actions as deliberate ethnic cleansing: “In the end, it was clear that it was the Jews who were trying to frighten the Arabs and to drive them into the sea…They were being pretty ruthless in their attacks and it was clear it was being done by conscious design.”

The recent book, Under the Cover of War: The Zionist Expulsion of the Palestinians by Rosemarie M. Esber (Arabicus, 2008), is a study of the civil war period of the 1948 Palestine war. The book is based on British, U.S. and U.N. military and diplomatic records, Israeli sources, and interviews with Palestinians who witnessed the civil war. Her research supports these findings and challenges Morris’s presumptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benny Morris’s almost exclusive reliance on Israeli documentation results in a one-sided narrative of the civil war. Many of his conclusions are not supported by the documentary record or eyewitness accounts.</p>
<p>The Arab-Zionist conflict was predicted after World War I. The 1919 U.S. King-Crane Commission confirmed that founding a Jewish state in Palestine could not be accomplished without violating “the civil and religious rights” of the indigenous Arabs. The British military warned that transforming Arab Palestine into a Jewish state could only be carried out “by force of arms.” </p>
<p>War provides governments with strategic justification and cover to carry out ethnic cleansing. David Ben Gurion, head of the Jewish Agency, viewed war as an opportunity to deal with the “Arab problem.” Under his leadership, Jewish settlers began preparing militarily in the 1930s for a decisive war to seize control of Palestine.</p>
<p>The U.N. partition resolution of November 29, 1947 sparked the civil war. U.S., British, U.N., Zionist and Arab military analysts concur that Zionist militias were far superior in manpower and armament than the Palestinian Arabs during the civil war. The Haganah, IZL, and LHI went on the offensive in December 1947, according to experienced on-site U.S. and British military officers. </p>
<p>Zionist forces depopulated twenty-six known Palestinian villages before April 1948, while Britain remained responsible for law and order in Palestine. The Haganah launched Plan D in early April when British troops were too few to counter Zionist offensives. The British hands-off policy during the civil war enabled the Arabs’ expulsions. During the civil war, the Palestinian Arabs were forced out of the major cities including: Acre, Baysan, Haifa, Jaffa, Safad, and Tiberias. Zionist militias seized control of most of the British-built state and military apparatus before May 15, 1948.</p>
<p>The Zionists used the cover of war to deliberately and systematically expel over 400,000 Palestinian Arabs from 225 villages, towns, and cities before May 15. The majority of the Palestinians (55%) were forcibly displaced during the civil war before the British left Palestine on May 15. Even those cities and villages that concluded nonaggression pacts with the Zionists were attacked and their people expelled, including al-Maliha, al-Shaykh Muwannis, Abu Kishk, Miska, Haifa, Jaffa, Dayr Yasin, and many others. About 6,000 Jews were killed during the 1948 war, and an estimated 20,000 Palestinian Arabs.</p>
<p>This was not a war against combatants; the Red Cross estimated that 84% of the Palestinians expelled were children under 15, pregnant and nursing mothers, the elderly, and the infirm. As the Arabs were being driven out, Jewish settlers robbed, harassed, humiliated, and killed them. Palestinians survivors reported that in numerous villages, those who remained after a Zionist attack—the handicapped, sick, wounded, and the elderly—were killed. Churches, mosques, and cemeteries were desecrated and destroyed to eliminate the Palestinian presence from the land.</p>
<p>Even the last British High Commissioner of Palestine, General Sir Alan Cunningham viewed the Zionists’ actions as deliberate ethnic cleansing: “In the end, it was clear that it was the Jews who were trying to frighten the Arabs and to drive them into the sea…They were being pretty ruthless in their attacks and it was clear it was being done by conscious design.”</p>
<p>The recent book, Under the Cover of War: The Zionist Expulsion of the Palestinians by Rosemarie M. Esber (Arabicus, 2008), is a study of the civil war period of the 1948 Palestine war. The book is based on British, U.S. and U.N. military and diplomatic records, Israeli sources, and interviews with Palestinians who witnessed the civil war. Her research supports these findings and challenges Morris’s presumptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Arvind Leo Pereira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arvind Leo Pereira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pain Palestine is going through is the land which was taken apart from the treaty that was signed initially. 

Peace can prevail if their territory can be returned to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pain Palestine is going through is the land which was taken apart from the treaty that was signed initially. </p>
<p>Peace can prevail if their territory can be returned to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Mchl;
Look in the mirror to see a real racist;
 You are correct. It is the future that counts

Israel possesses 400 nukes.  Who is going to make the Jews leave?

Iran?? 

Give me a break.  Iran won&#039;t be able to have one ballistic missile avoid being shot down over it&#039;s own country or neighboring Arabs countries.

Israel has the most effective , comprehensive missile defense system in the world. They are constantly improving it. 

The Jews will remain in their homeland they have lived in for 4,000 years. 




&quot;Morris believes the fate of Palestinians is simply not as important as that of Jews, most of whom are recent immigrants or first generation. If this is not racism, I don’t know what is.&quot; 

No denying Jews a sanctuary after  thousands of years of persecution is as racist as Adolf Hitler. 

&quot;Morris lacks the imagination and goodwill necessary to arrive at the inevitable end result of this failed Zionist project - the return of Palestinians and the birth of a new nation. &quot; 

400 nukes and increasing as we speak  says you are an idiot if you think the return of the fictitious  group you call Palestinians is inevitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Mchl;<br />
Look in the mirror to see a real racist;<br />
 You are correct. It is the future that counts</p>
<p>Israel possesses 400 nukes.  Who is going to make the Jews leave?</p>
<p>Iran?? </p>
<p>Give me a break.  Iran won&#8217;t be able to have one ballistic missile avoid being shot down over it&#8217;s own country or neighboring Arabs countries.</p>
<p>Israel has the most effective , comprehensive missile defense system in the world. They are constantly improving it. </p>
<p>The Jews will remain in their homeland they have lived in for 4,000 years. </p>
<p>&#8220;Morris believes the fate of Palestinians is simply not as important as that of Jews, most of whom are recent immigrants or first generation. If this is not racism, I don’t know what is.&#8221; </p>
<p>No denying Jews a sanctuary after  thousands of years of persecution is as racist as Adolf Hitler. </p>
<p>&#8220;Morris lacks the imagination and goodwill necessary to arrive at the inevitable end result of this failed Zionist project &#8211; the return of Palestinians and the birth of a new nation. &#8221; </p>
<p>400 nukes and increasing as we speak  says you are an idiot if you think the return of the fictitious  group you call Palestinians is inevitable.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cowboy Curtis;
You sound like the biggest idiot. Why didn&#039;t the Jews ask the Germans for land? Are you that stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cowboy Curtis;<br />
You sound like the biggest idiot. Why didn&#8217;t the Jews ask the Germans for land? Are you that stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just too bad the Jews desire not to totally wiped out, inconvenienced some Moslems. They have 50 plus countries where they are the majority . The Jews don&#039;t need to apologize for saying , &quot;OK, even though the Arabs have 30 countries including Jordan which is a Palestinian (sic) country, we will not  just let ourselves be murdered ,in order not to inconvenience the Arabs of Jaffa&quot;.  Anyone who says Zionism is racism is using projection. This when someone accuses someone else of having a negative characteristic in order to relieve their own inner guilt. So all you anti-Zionism are the most racist, bigoted people as you want to deny Jews any sanctuary after 2000 years of continuous persecution.  I especially want to call out Luc Hansen who probably feels unconscious guilt for all the murder and pillage his Viking ancestors carried out. So to relieve his terrible feelings of guilt he picks on the Jews. Why don&#039;t you make amends for all mayhem your ancestors committed? Furthermore, all those residing in the US and Canada, who criticize Israel are the biggest hypocrits. You are residing on land you had absolutely no claim to and committed genocide against the native North Americans. If you want to see colonialists, bigots, and genocidists, LOOK IN THE MIRROR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just too bad the Jews desire not to totally wiped out, inconvenienced some Moslems. They have 50 plus countries where they are the majority . The Jews don&#8217;t need to apologize for saying , &#8220;OK, even though the Arabs have 30 countries including Jordan which is a Palestinian (sic) country, we will not  just let ourselves be murdered ,in order not to inconvenience the Arabs of Jaffa&#8221;.  Anyone who says Zionism is racism is using projection. This when someone accuses someone else of having a negative characteristic in order to relieve their own inner guilt. So all you anti-Zionism are the most racist, bigoted people as you want to deny Jews any sanctuary after 2000 years of continuous persecution.  I especially want to call out Luc Hansen who probably feels unconscious guilt for all the murder and pillage his Viking ancestors carried out. So to relieve his terrible feelings of guilt he picks on the Jews. Why don&#8217;t you make amends for all mayhem your ancestors committed? Furthermore, all those residing in the US and Canada, who criticize Israel are the biggest hypocrits. You are residing on land you had absolutely no claim to and committed genocide against the native North Americans. If you want to see colonialists, bigots, and genocidists, LOOK IN THE MIRROR.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Krauser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Krauser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 13:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ramesh, I&#039;ll tell you the same thing the Texicans told the Mexican government when they demanded their weaons: &quot;Come take it!&quot;
Long live Texas and long live Israel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ramesh, I&#8217;ll tell you the same thing the Texicans told the Mexican government when they demanded their weaons: &#8220;Come take it!&#8221;<br />
Long live Texas and long live Israel</p>
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		<title>By: Gerard Hart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerard Hart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 19:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this discussion interesting as it coming from a lot of preconceptions. Wrong has being done to the Palestines. A lot of wrong has been done to the Israelis as well. Don&#039;t forget that after the ww2 most jews weren&#039;t welcome in their homelands - remember pogroms happened in poland and rumenia and many countries had immigration restrictions. During the war of independance most (about 97%) of the jews living in arab countries were kicked out. The land they posessed was twice the size of of current Israel. A lot of wrong has been done, it is time for Israel to accept the Palestines and for the Arabs to accept the Israelis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this discussion interesting as it coming from a lot of preconceptions. Wrong has being done to the Palestines. A lot of wrong has been done to the Israelis as well. Don&#8217;t forget that after the ww2 most jews weren&#8217;t welcome in their homelands &#8211; remember pogroms happened in poland and rumenia and many countries had immigration restrictions. During the war of independance most (about 97%) of the jews living in arab countries were kicked out. The land they posessed was twice the size of of current Israel. A lot of wrong has been done, it is time for Israel to accept the Palestines and for the Arabs to accept the Israelis.</p>
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