Comments on: How Marine POWs Hung Tough http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=how-marine-pows-hung-tough From the World's Largest History Magazine Publisher Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:24:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Glenn Stewart III http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-698633 Glenn Stewart III Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:05:14 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-698633 Your words are amazing. May I ask who you are? I am the grandson of Glenn Stewart. I met Roy Weaver several times when I was younger, is he still alive? I am in the Army now serving as a Warrant Officer flying helicopters. One of the schools I had to attend for flight school was S.E.R.E (Survive, Evade, Resist, Escape) While in solitary confinement, and during the physical abuse portions I would constantly think about what my "Papaw" went through. He did it for almost 4 years, I can definitely get through the next 4 days...... The men who fought in that war were in every sense of the word "Men". I miss my Papaw very much and think of him daily. I hope that if I'm ever faced with the things he was faced with, I can perform half as well as he and the others like him did. CW2 Glenn E. Stewart III Your words are amazing. May I ask who you are?
I am the grandson of Glenn Stewart. I met Roy Weaver several times when I was younger, is he still alive?
I am in the Army now serving as a Warrant Officer flying helicopters. One of the schools I had to attend for flight school was S.E.R.E (Survive, Evade, Resist, Escape)
While in solitary confinement, and during the physical abuse portions I would constantly think about what my "Papaw" went through. He did it for almost 4 years, I can definitely get through the next 4 days……
The men who fought in that war were in every sense of the word "Men". I miss my Papaw very much and think of him daily. I hope that if I'm ever faced with the things he was faced with, I can perform half as well as he and the others like him did.

CW2 Glenn E. Stewart III

]]> By: Mike http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-553491 Mike Sun, 08 May 2011 18:35:24 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-553491 I say again, the ratio to soldiers to marines on the Death March was 200 to 300 to 1. At the outset of the Death March, just from numbers, if a prisoner were to die, the odds were 200 to 300 to 1 it would be a soldier. Japanese guards executed prisoners. If a guard picked a prisoner for execution, odds were 200 to 300 to 1 it would be a soldier, not a marine. It is not at all remarkable that not 1 marine died on the Death March. It was mostly a function of, not many Marines made the Death March. Mr. Urwin never mentions that in his article. I say again, the ratio to soldiers to marines on the Death March was 200 to 300 to 1. At the outset of the Death March, just from numbers, if a prisoner were to die, the odds were 200 to 300 to 1 it would be a soldier.

Japanese guards executed prisoners. If a guard picked a prisoner for execution, odds were 200 to 300 to 1 it would be a soldier, not a marine.

It is not at all remarkable that not 1 marine died on the Death March. It was mostly a function of, not many Marines made the Death March.

Mr. Urwin never mentions that in his article.

]]> By: Mike http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-553487 Mike Sun, 08 May 2011 18:31:30 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-553487 See my comments on the ratio of soldiers to marines on the Bataan death march. The ratio of soldiers to marines was 200 to 300 to 1. From the outset, the odds of a death being a soldier rather than a marine was 200-300 to 1. One cause of death was Japanese guards killing a prisoner. The odds were 200 to 300 to 1 that if a guard decided to kill a prisoner, it would be a soldier. It is not at all remarkable that not one marine died on the Bataan Death March. Most of the Marines in the Philippines were in the 4th Marine Regiment. Contrary to some claims, the 4th Marines did not fight on Bataan. They remained on Corregidor during the defense of Bataan. When Corregidor surrendered, the Death March was over. See my comments on the ratio of soldiers to marines on the Bataan death march.

The ratio of soldiers to marines was 200 to 300 to 1. From the outset, the odds of a death being a soldier rather than a marine was 200-300 to 1.

One cause of death was Japanese guards killing a prisoner. The odds were 200 to 300 to 1 that if a guard decided to kill a prisoner, it would be a soldier.

It is not at all remarkable that not one marine died on the Bataan Death March.

Most of the Marines in the Philippines were in the 4th Marine Regiment. Contrary to some claims, the 4th Marines did not fight on Bataan. They remained on Corregidor during the defense of Bataan. When Corregidor surrendered, the Death March was over.

]]> By: Mike http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-548482 Mike Wed, 04 May 2011 17:41:05 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-548482 It is not at all remarkable that not one of the 650 American servicemen who died on the Bataan Death March was a Marine. There were fewer than 50 Marines who made the Death March, compared to 10,000 to 12,000 Soldiers. Statistically, at the outset, the chance that an American Death would be a Marine were less than 1 in 200 to to 1 in maybe 250. All things being equal(and they were not - the Marines were in a support unit, not a front line combat unit) statistically one would expect that 3 Marines would have died. That might have been significant. It also might have been just random chance. Or it might have been that the Soldiers might have been in poorer condition because they were fighting a desperate battle lacking the logistical support to do so. It is not at all remarkable that not one of the 650 American servicemen who died on the Bataan Death March was a Marine. There were fewer than 50 Marines who made the Death March, compared to 10,000 to 12,000 Soldiers. Statistically, at the outset, the chance that an American Death would be a Marine were less than 1 in 200 to to 1 in maybe 250.

All things being equal(and they were not – the Marines were in a support unit, not a front line combat unit) statistically one would expect that 3 Marines would have died. That might have been significant. It also might have been just random chance. Or it might have been that the Soldiers might have been in poorer condition because they were fighting a desperate battle lacking the logistical support to do so.

]]> By: Grover Smith http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-524421 Grover Smith Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:03:18 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-524421 Note that all the Marines were infantry younger heather to begin with many of the Army were specialist , technical , medical , Army Nurses Surgeons Logistics Army Airman mechanics , often older men with specialized skill other than ground combat . . The only way to do a real comparison would be to break it down and compare Army infantry with Marine Infantry . There is a difference it the training and the mentality of Men trained to fight and those trained to serve in technical positions .. This is not to take away from Marines but you would have to examine by age and job description . The Army had a much higher average age due to the need for skilled technicians and mechanics than the Marines which relied on the Navy and the Army for most of their logistics , air cover , Medical care etc ... Note that all the Marines were infantry younger heather to begin with many of the Army were specialist , technical , medical , Army Nurses Surgeons Logistics Army Airman mechanics , often older men with specialized skill other than ground combat . . The only way to do a real comparison would be to break it down and compare Army infantry with Marine Infantry . There is a difference it the training and the mentality of Men trained to fight and those trained to serve in technical positions .. This is not to take away from Marines but you would have to examine by age and job description . The Army had a much higher average age due to the need for skilled technicians and mechanics than the Marines which relied on the Navy and the Army for most of their logistics , air cover , Medical care etc …

]]> By: Maurice A Christie http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-127357 Maurice A Christie Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:11:58 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-127357 All the best from the son of Captive 1210 All the best from the son of Captive 1210

]]> By: Matthew Harper http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-55233 Matthew Harper Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:52:04 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-55233 "Not one of the 650 Americans who died on the Death March was a member of the U.S. Marine Corps." Need I say more? "Not one of the 650 Americans who died on the Death March was a member of the U.S. Marine Corps." Need I say more?

]]> By: mike cox http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-52018 mike cox Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:28:20 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-52018 thank you allyou brave men. thanks to you i live in freedom today. thank you allyou brave men. thanks to you i live in freedom today.

]]> By: Shelly Zimbler http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-30881 Shelly Zimbler Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:52:29 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-30881 Read about the Marines who were sent to Mukden Manchuria. Arriving on Nov 11, 1942, these great American Heroes- Marines, AirCorps and Sailors stood in freezing weather in this infamous POW slave labor camp. A recently published story entitle Undaunted Valor details the horrendous activities of these abandoned and forgotten National Treasures. They survived the Death March, the slopes of Corregidor and Cabanatuan and O'Donnell. They survivied the Tottori Maru. Arrivivng in tattered threads from their worn uniforms, they were provided with Japanese summer uniforms where the thermometer seldom moved above minus 22 until March. They had to walk 6 miles in this tundra like weather. Performing slave labor tasks, they fought back the only way possible. Sabotague. In the summer of 43, they were relocated to the new camp in Mukden, (now the city of Shenyang. Two hundred of these heroes died during the first 90 days. In June of 43, three men, two Marines and one Sailor escaped and evaded capture for a couple of weeks. Betrayed by the Chinese, they were brought back to camp and executed in July 43. The men continued their frugal existence. Most weighed below 100 - but didnt realize how bad they looked - why- they all appeared the same. On Dec 7, 1944, American B29's bombed the camp and killed 19 men and wounding 54. Bob Brown an Air Corp PFC and medic helped save the lives of those wounded in this tragic error. ByJan 45, the war in Europe was coming to a conclusion, and FDR allowed the3 Russians to sing treaties that would enable them to declare war against the Japanese. By May of 45,with the war over, our focus was back in the Pacific. This area abandoned initially by Marshall and FDR was now the last bastion againt fascism. In May, Gen wainright and other senior officers were in the Mukden area camps. Early that month, most of the seniors were sent to the main amp in Mukden and in August, the OSS team Cardinal was assigned to parachute into the camp area and liberate these men. Hours from execution, their lives were saved on the 16th of Aug and on Aug 20, 1945, the men were freed by the Russian Army. Over the next few weeks, the camp survivors were on their way home. Marines like Roy Weaver, Glenn Stewart had survived. tragically on the way home, SGt Wm Frisier 4th Marines was killed when his ship hit a Japanese mine. These men have never told their story until the narrative Undaunted Valor was published this past Sept 08. These men although surrendered and captured were never defeated,. Many returned to serve in Korea and a few in Viet Nam. Today, they meet annually as the Mukden Survivors and Edescendants Group. They along with their fellow service men and woman changed the course of the war. They had given our nation the time to keep the enemy from invading Austraila and allowed MacArthur and our country to reinforce Australia. Most importantly halted the Japanese advance. Yes, they had been surrendered by their officers, but had stopped the Japanese in the Philippines. They were invaded hours after Pearl Harbor- but no one celebrates nor commemorates their great courage and sacrifice. God Bless these great American Heroes- Read about the Marines who were sent to Mukden Manchuria. Arriving on Nov 11, 1942, these great American Heroes- Marines, AirCorps and Sailors stood in freezing weather in this infamous POW slave labor camp. A recently published story entitle Undaunted Valor details the horrendous activities of these abandoned and forgotten National Treasures. They survived the Death March, the slopes of Corregidor and Cabanatuan and O'Donnell. They survivied the Tottori Maru. Arrivivng in tattered threads from their worn uniforms, they were provided with Japanese summer uniforms where the thermometer seldom moved above minus 22 until March. They had to walk 6 miles in this tundra like weather. Performing slave labor tasks, they fought back the only way possible. Sabotague. In the summer of 43, they were relocated to the new camp in Mukden, (now the city of Shenyang. Two hundred of these heroes died during the first 90 days. In June of 43, three men, two Marines and one Sailor escaped and evaded capture for a couple of weeks. Betrayed by the Chinese, they were brought back to camp and executed in July 43. The men continued their frugal existence. Most weighed below 100 – but didnt realize how bad they looked – why- they all appeared the same.
On Dec 7, 1944, American B29's bombed the camp and killed 19 men and wounding 54. Bob Brown an Air Corp PFC and medic helped save the lives of those wounded in this tragic error. ByJan 45, the war in Europe was coming to a conclusion, and FDR allowed the3 Russians to sing treaties that would enable them to declare war against the Japanese. By May of 45,with the war over, our focus was back in the Pacific. This area abandoned initially by Marshall and FDR was now the last bastion againt fascism. In May, Gen wainright and other senior officers were in the Mukden area camps. Early that month, most of the seniors were sent to the main amp in Mukden and in August, the OSS team Cardinal was assigned to parachute into the camp area and liberate these men. Hours from execution, their lives were saved on the 16th of Aug and on Aug 20, 1945, the men were freed by the Russian Army. Over the next few weeks, the camp survivors were on their way home. Marines like Roy Weaver, Glenn Stewart had survived. tragically on the way home, SGt Wm Frisier 4th Marines was killed when his ship hit a Japanese mine.
These men have never told their story until the narrative Undaunted Valor was published this past Sept 08.
These men although surrendered and captured were never defeated,. Many returned to serve in Korea and a few in Viet Nam. Today, they meet annually as the Mukden Survivors and Edescendants Group. They along with their fellow service men and woman changed the course of the war. They had given our nation the time to keep the enemy from invading Austraila and allowed MacArthur and our country to reinforce Australia. Most importantly halted the Japanese advance. Yes, they had been surrendered by their officers, but had stopped the Japanese in the Philippines. They were invaded hours after Pearl Harbor- but no one celebrates nor commemorates their great courage and sacrifice.
God Bless these great American Heroes-

]]> By: domonique bazemore http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-30375 domonique bazemore Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:30:36 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-30375 how didnt they survuve were they in the way how didnt they survuve were they in the way

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