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		<title>By: John Koster</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Koster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 15:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woody Guthrie was a member of the Communist Party and did what he was told. Before the Hitler-Stalin Pact fragmented  when Hitler attacked Russia, Woodie and other American Communists like Dalton Trumbo blamed the whole mess on Britain and France.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woody Guthrie was a member of the Communist Party and did what he was told. Before the Hitler-Stalin Pact fragmented  when Hitler attacked Russia, Woodie and other American Communists like Dalton Trumbo blamed the whole mess on Britain and France.</p>
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		<title>By: John Koster</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/hitlers-dark-december-1941.htm#comment-814520</link>
		<dc:creator>John Koster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 15:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everybody seems to have missed this but Japan actually declared war on the United States on December 7 and FDR knew it. 

FDR&#039;s whole &quot;day of infamy&quot; speech was hot air. The day before the attack on Pearl Harbpr, FDR read the decoded Japanese diplomatic telegrams telling the consulates to break up their code machines.

He told his alter ego Harry Hopkins: &quot;This means war!&quot;

FDR then cleverly sent the Pacific Fleet a Western Union telegram instead of making a phone call that would have given the fleet 24 hours warning. 

Meanwhile, the Japanese diplomats, who knew they could not vaguely hope to win a war with the United States, tried to write a formal declaration after they sent their typists home. but got so drunk that they didn&#039;t have the declaration typed and delivered until the Pearl Harbor attack was already in progress. The Japanese blamed the attack on a century of Anglo-Saxon bullying -- the British Opium Wars, U.S. massacres in the Philippines, TR&#039;s betrayal of Korea -- they did a lot of the same stuff themselves, but generally cleared it with us first.
Judge Rabinaho Pal of India flatly declared that the United States had forced the war on them in his dissent from the Tokyo Trials.

An American diplomat with a German-Jewish refugee interpreter asked Hermann Goering after the war why Hitler had declared war on the United States.

&quot;We felt we had to honor our treaty with Japan,&quot; Goering said.

&quot;Why that treaty in particular?&quot; the Jewish kid asked wryly. (That&#039;s a funny line...)

Goering then explained that Hitler felt that FDR&#039;s war in the Atlantic and aid to Britain constituted a virtual war in any case. 

Ironically, after the bloody nose they got in Mongolia in 1939, the Japanese had no intention of fighting anybody who had good tanks and trucks. Matsuo Kinoaku bluntly said that no invasion of North America was possible. He also said that American soldiers were extremely brave, though somewhat inept in stealthy fighting. He though Japanhad a better navy.

Final irony -- while the Japanese were desperately trying to get their oil and credit from the U.S. restored in the autumn of 1941 they offered to back out  of the alliance with Hitler: the Japanese had
saved about 40,000 Jewish refugees whom they sheltered in Shanghai, and Hitler had been a key supplier to 
Japan&#039;s short-time enemy, Chiang Kai-shek. Check out the photos of Chiang&#039;s soldiers with M-35 Nazi-issue steel helmets and Mauser rifles and pistols.

The Japanese (like all Asians) tend to like Germans in general (see the new South Korean war movie, &quot;My Way&quot; but they thought Hitler was a dangerous and vulgar buffoon. I quite agree.

John Koster
author of OPERATION SNOW: HOW A SOVIET MOLE IN FDR&#039;S WHITE HIOUSE TRIGGERED PEARL HARBOR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody seems to have missed this but Japan actually declared war on the United States on December 7 and FDR knew it. </p>
<p>FDR&#039;s whole &#034;day of infamy&#034; speech was hot air. The day before the attack on Pearl Harbpr, FDR read the decoded Japanese diplomatic telegrams telling the consulates to break up their code machines.</p>
<p>He told his alter ego Harry Hopkins: &#034;This means war!&#034;</p>
<p>FDR then cleverly sent the Pacific Fleet a Western Union telegram instead of making a phone call that would have given the fleet 24 hours warning. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, the Japanese diplomats, who knew they could not vaguely hope to win a war with the United States, tried to write a formal declaration after they sent their typists home. but got so drunk that they didn&#039;t have the declaration typed and delivered until the Pearl Harbor attack was already in progress. The Japanese blamed the attack on a century of Anglo-Saxon bullying &#8212; the British Opium Wars, U.S. massacres in the Philippines, TR&#039;s betrayal of Korea &#8212; they did a lot of the same stuff themselves, but generally cleared it with us first.<br />
Judge Rabinaho Pal of India flatly declared that the United States had forced the war on them in his dissent from the Tokyo Trials.</p>
<p>An American diplomat with a German-Jewish refugee interpreter asked Hermann Goering after the war why Hitler had declared war on the United States.</p>
<p>&#034;We felt we had to honor our treaty with Japan,&#034; Goering said.</p>
<p>&#034;Why that treaty in particular?&#034; the Jewish kid asked wryly. (That&#039;s a funny line&#8230;)</p>
<p>Goering then explained that Hitler felt that FDR&#039;s war in the Atlantic and aid to Britain constituted a virtual war in any case. </p>
<p>Ironically, after the bloody nose they got in Mongolia in 1939, the Japanese had no intention of fighting anybody who had good tanks and trucks. Matsuo Kinoaku bluntly said that no invasion of North America was possible. He also said that American soldiers were extremely brave, though somewhat inept in stealthy fighting. He though Japanhad a better navy.</p>
<p>Final irony &#8212; while the Japanese were desperately trying to get their oil and credit from the U.S. restored in the autumn of 1941 they offered to back out  of the alliance with Hitler: the Japanese had<br />
saved about 40,000 Jewish refugees whom they sheltered in Shanghai, and Hitler had been a key supplier to<br />
Japan&#039;s short-time enemy, Chiang Kai-shek. Check out the photos of Chiang&#039;s soldiers with M-35 Nazi-issue steel helmets and Mauser rifles and pistols.</p>
<p>The Japanese (like all Asians) tend to like Germans in general (see the new South Korean war movie, &#034;My Way&#034; but they thought Hitler was a dangerous and vulgar buffoon. I quite agree.</p>
<p>John Koster<br />
author of OPERATION SNOW: HOW A SOVIET MOLE IN FDR&#039;S WHITE HIOUSE TRIGGERED PEARL HARBOR</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Fitzpatrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Fitzpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 03:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  Soviet armor completely crushed the Japanese in Mongolia.  Japan&#039;s forces fled the field and weren&#039;t about to take on the Soviets again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  Soviet armor completely crushed the Japanese in Mongolia.  Japan&#039;s forces fled the field and weren&#039;t about to take on the Soviets again.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Oster, Capt. USNR, Ret.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Oster, Capt. USNR, Ret.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2011 02:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: #10: German intelligence was better than often portrayed, as  exampled by Guderian&#039;s assertion that the Red Army fielded at least &quot;10,000 tanks&quot; prior to Operation Barbossa. However, Hitler&#039;s governance permitted a culture wherein logical evaluation of such facts was suppressed or ignored. My analysis, done as part of a project on historical research during my years in ROTC and as an Active Reservist, leads me to conclude that the German General Staff failed early on to effectively deal with the developing crisis of leadership in their ranks. Fritsch, for example, an early critic of Nazi policy, was scandalously discredited and effectively eliminated. At that time the rest of the General Staff, missed an opportunity to stand up to Hitler at a point when he was still in the process of usurping their responsibilities.

By the beginning of the war, the General Staff had been largely emasculated, and could no longer obstruct or delay Hitler based upon considerations such as logistics, supply and manpower, which were known by many experts to be inadequate to carry out lengthy and extensive operations in the USSR. A &quot;preliminary study&quot; for Barbarossa in July 1940 nonetheless elicited a positive response from the remaining Army leadership in the context of a limited war for territorial gains.

I recognize that it is controversial to tackle the issue of dissent on the part of military leadership against political leadership; however, I can think of instances in recent US history where this has been both necessary and expedient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #10: German intelligence was better than often portrayed, as  exampled by Guderian&#039;s assertion that the Red Army fielded at least &#034;10,000 tanks&#034; prior to Operation Barbossa. However, Hitler&#039;s governance permitted a culture wherein logical evaluation of such facts was suppressed or ignored. My analysis, done as part of a project on historical research during my years in ROTC and as an Active Reservist, leads me to conclude that the German General Staff failed early on to effectively deal with the developing crisis of leadership in their ranks. Fritsch, for example, an early critic of Nazi policy, was scandalously discredited and effectively eliminated. At that time the rest of the General Staff, missed an opportunity to stand up to Hitler at a point when he was still in the process of usurping their responsibilities.</p>
<p>By the beginning of the war, the General Staff had been largely emasculated, and could no longer obstruct or delay Hitler based upon considerations such as logistics, supply and manpower, which were known by many experts to be inadequate to carry out lengthy and extensive operations in the USSR. A &#034;preliminary study&#034; for Barbarossa in July 1940 nonetheless elicited a positive response from the remaining Army leadership in the context of a limited war for territorial gains.</p>
<p>I recognize that it is controversial to tackle the issue of dissent on the part of military leadership against political leadership; however, I can think of instances in recent US history where this has been both necessary and expedient.</p>
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		<title>By: pepe villarán</title>
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		<dc:creator>pepe villarán</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 00:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On December 7th, the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. Hitler declared war on the United States.

Why??

Very Simple: to save face and cover up the retreat and defeat from Moscow; and he achived it to a certaint extent.

He did it again with Kursk; he called it off to &quot;help&quot; the italians against the sicily invasion. Actually Germany was defeated.

pepe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On December 7th, the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. Hitler declared war on the United States.</p>
<p>Why??</p>
<p>Very Simple: to save face and cover up the retreat and defeat from Moscow; and he achived it to a certaint extent.</p>
<p>He did it again with Kursk; he called it off to &#034;help&#034; the italians against the sicily invasion. Actually Germany was defeated.</p>
<p>pepe</p>
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		<title>By: Matt-The-Sixteen-Year-Old-Pretentious-Bigot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt-The-Sixteen-Year-Old-Pretentious-Bigot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My, now. That is open for debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My, now. That is open for debate.</p>
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		<title>By: WWII Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>WWII Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with matt but also think his mother didn&#039;t love him</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with matt but also think his mother didn&#039;t love him</p>
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		<title>By: Matt-The-Sixteen-Year-Old-Pretentious-Bigot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt-The-Sixteen-Year-Old-Pretentious-Bigot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you know? Just some food for thought. If Adolf Hitler was never rejected -twice- by the Vienna school for Architecture, he probably would have never done everything he&#039;s done. (Not to say that I&#039;m not aware of everything he&#039;s done, but rather, I don&#039;t want to spend a lot of time getting into it, because I&#039;m in the library.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you know? Just some food for thought. If Adolf Hitler was never rejected -twice- by the Vienna school for Architecture, he probably would have never done everything he&#039;s done. (Not to say that I&#039;m not aware of everything he&#039;s done, but rather, I don&#039;t want to spend a lot of time getting into it, because I&#039;m in the library.)</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a reader of this scholarly blog, I have been tempted to respond over the past week from comment #1, because I have been reading Adam Tooze and I have some serious concerns regarding some of the data presented.  For the past week I have witnessed what was obviously intended to be a thought provoking catalyst for discussion by one of Military History’s highly respected and preeminent scholars quickly de-evolve into this offensive comment by John Karr. My question is why would any serious scholar of WWII history squander such a rare opportunity to engage in scholarly debate with the vanguard in the field?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a reader of this scholarly blog, I have been tempted to respond over the past week from comment #1, because I have been reading Adam Tooze and I have some serious concerns regarding some of the data presented.  For the past week I have witnessed what was obviously intended to be a thought provoking catalyst for discussion by one of Military History’s highly respected and preeminent scholars quickly de-evolve into this offensive comment by John Karr. My question is why would any serious scholar of WWII history squander such a rare opportunity to engage in scholarly debate with the vanguard in the field?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Citino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Citino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Steve.  Good reminders about the &quot;pre-war&quot; war in the Atlantic. Woody Guthrie wrote a great song about the sinking of DD-245:

&quot;Tell me what were their names, 
tell me what were their names?
Did you have a friend 
on the good Ruben James?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Steve.  Good reminders about the &#034;pre-war&#034; war in the Atlantic. Woody Guthrie wrote a great song about the sinking of DD-245:</p>
<p>&#034;Tell me what were their names,<br />
tell me what were their names?<br />
Did you have a friend<br />
on the good Ruben James?</p>
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