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		<title>By: Van Gott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Van Gott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 17:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely agree with Bill. Adittedly everyone on theAmerican side was green and essentially untested. However for a corps commander who was more concerned about his headquarters  safety long distances from the front than to understand the terrain that his parcelled out troups occupied and over which they were expected to perform offensive and later defensive efforts defies imagination. Which incidentally,he seemed to have been short of as well.
Unfortunately Eisenhower was not about to incur any problems with Marshall and instead of retiring him , sent him to a training command in the States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely agree with Bill. Adittedly everyone on theAmerican side was green and essentially untested. However for a corps commander who was more concerned about his headquarters  safety long distances from the front than to understand the terrain that his parcelled out troups occupied and over which they were expected to perform offensive and later defensive efforts defies imagination. Which incidentally,he seemed to have been short of as well.<br />
Unfortunately Eisenhower was not about to incur any problems with Marshall and instead of retiring him , sent him to a training command in the States.</p>
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		<title>By: russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Winning isn&#039;t everything. It&#039;s the ONLY thing.&quot; Those who defend Friedenhall need to look at the W/L column.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;Winning isn&#039;t everything. It&#039;s the ONLY thing.&#034; Those who defend Friedenhall need to look at the W/L column.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 06:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just some of the facts from the wikipedia article on him are pretty damning:

- Dropped out of West Point a second time after having failed at math his 1st quarter the first time around. (Would like to know if it was math or something else that leads to his leaving the second time)

- Described as &quot;swaggering&quot;

- &quot;Fredendall was once described by American General Lucian K. Truscott as,

Small in stature, loud and rough in speech, he was outspoken in his opinions and critical of superiors and subordinates alike. He was inclined to jump to conclusions which were not always well founded. Fredendall rarely left his command post for personal visits and reconnaissance, yet he was impatient with the recommendations of subordinates more familiar with the terrain and other conditions than he.&quot;

- &quot;Fredendall stayed on his command ship, HMS Largs until after fighting was over (during the Torch landings)

- &quot; Orders from his headquarters in the Grand Hotel of Oran were headed with “II Corps – In the Field” which prompted laughter from his troops living in tents and slit trenches.&quot;

And I think perhaps most damning:

- &quot;Fredendall was given to speaking and issuing orders using his own slang, such as calling infantry units &quot;walking boys&quot; or artillery &quot;popguns.&quot; Instead of using the standard military map grid-based location designators, he would make up confusing codes such as &quot;the place that begins with C.&quot; This practice was unheard-of for a general and distinguished graduate of the Command and General Staff School, who had been taught to always use standardized order procedures to ensure clarity when transmitting orders to subordinate commanders under the stress of combat. Fredendall&#039;s informality often led to confusion amongst his subordinates, and precious time was lost attempting to figure out his meaning.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just some of the facts from the wikipedia article on him are pretty damning:</p>
<p>- Dropped out of West Point a second time after having failed at math his 1st quarter the first time around. (Would like to know if it was math or something else that leads to his leaving the second time)</p>
<p>- Described as &#034;swaggering&#034;</p>
<p>- &#034;Fredendall was once described by American General Lucian K. Truscott as,</p>
<p>Small in stature, loud and rough in speech, he was outspoken in his opinions and critical of superiors and subordinates alike. He was inclined to jump to conclusions which were not always well founded. Fredendall rarely left his command post for personal visits and reconnaissance, yet he was impatient with the recommendations of subordinates more familiar with the terrain and other conditions than he.&#034;</p>
<p>- &#034;Fredendall stayed on his command ship, HMS Largs until after fighting was over (during the Torch landings)</p>
<p>- &#034; Orders from his headquarters in the Grand Hotel of Oran were headed with “II Corps – In the Field” which prompted laughter from his troops living in tents and slit trenches.&#034;</p>
<p>And I think perhaps most damning:</p>
<p>- &#034;Fredendall was given to speaking and issuing orders using his own slang, such as calling infantry units &#034;walking boys&#034; or artillery &#034;popguns.&#034; Instead of using the standard military map grid-based location designators, he would make up confusing codes such as &#034;the place that begins with C.&#034; This practice was unheard-of for a general and distinguished graduate of the Command and General Staff School, who had been taught to always use standardized order procedures to ensure clarity when transmitting orders to subordinate commanders under the stress of combat. Fredendall&#039;s informality often led to confusion amongst his subordinates, and precious time was lost attempting to figure out his meaning.&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: Dwight Schrute</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dwight Schrute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 03:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I accept your challenge Dr. Citino and I&#039;ll prove to you Fredendall wasn&#039;t wrong for sitting in his bunker. While leading from the front like Patton does sound popular isn&#039;t a corps commander supposed to be at his HQ? True his HQ was at the far rear of his corps but with the constant swings in momentum in North Africa isn&#039;t that where he should be. Wasn&#039;t the original commander of British forces in North Africa captured after one such offensive lead by Rommel? Also, being at the front disrupts the flow of communication to and from the corps commander.  Everybody knew where Fredendall was but if he was directing the battle from the front line it is more than likely that he couldn&#039;t be reached easily. This is the U.S. Army in World War II not the U.S. Army in Iraq.  I am sure the captains may back me up when I say that if a commander is not where his is supposed to be, his HQ, then it is a pain in the butt to go around trying to contact him and find him with even our modern technology. Being at the battlefront is not the best place for receiving reports and issuing orders. Although, Fredendall would have had a greater sense of how dire his situation was much earlier than he originally did.

Could we blame Fredendall for the poor performance of his troops in the field. Who really knows that answer because his troops were untested in combat and the United States army had no previous high intensity engagements with the Germans.  Well World War I but that was 1918 and we are in 1943. Sidi Bou Zid and Kasserine Pass were the bar after the first encounters with the Germans.  Eventually the bar for combat performance against the Germans gets raised by future victories but how can anybody expect American commanders to do better with such raw troops and more importantly untested field commanders.  Fredendall deployed his troops in excellent positions and his offensives earlier in the campaign look very similar to Patton&#039;s later on.  Is their anyway that Fredendall could have stopped his troops from routing once they were under aerial bombardment or under attack by panzers. I doubt it unless he decided to deploy his artillery closer to the lines but that would have taken the artillery out of a more effective defensive position where they were later used to stop Rommel from exploiting his victory at Kasserine.  Also, why does Fredendall get the blame for losing at Kasserine when in truth he won when it comes to the overall operation?  He won with a less experienced army and inferior equipment with the proper use and deployment of his artillery.  

Fredendall lost his job because of style points. He wasn&#039;t at the front but in his HQ which in public opinion doesn&#039;t look good. Second, even though Kasserine was a US victory it wasn&#039;t a pretty victory. Terry Allen may have very well kept his job by leading the defense of the 1st ID at the front.  Finally, two people were going to lose their jobs after Kasserine and the logical choice in 1943 was Eisenhower. So Eisenhower fires Fredendall and places the blame on his shoulders for Kasserine and he puts Patton in his place to whip the II Corps into shape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I accept your challenge Dr. Citino and I&#039;ll prove to you Fredendall wasn&#039;t wrong for sitting in his bunker. While leading from the front like Patton does sound popular isn&#039;t a corps commander supposed to be at his HQ? True his HQ was at the far rear of his corps but with the constant swings in momentum in North Africa isn&#039;t that where he should be. Wasn&#039;t the original commander of British forces in North Africa captured after one such offensive lead by Rommel? Also, being at the front disrupts the flow of communication to and from the corps commander.  Everybody knew where Fredendall was but if he was directing the battle from the front line it is more than likely that he couldn&#039;t be reached easily. This is the U.S. Army in World War II not the U.S. Army in Iraq.  I am sure the captains may back me up when I say that if a commander is not where his is supposed to be, his HQ, then it is a pain in the butt to go around trying to contact him and find him with even our modern technology. Being at the battlefront is not the best place for receiving reports and issuing orders. Although, Fredendall would have had a greater sense of how dire his situation was much earlier than he originally did.</p>
<p>Could we blame Fredendall for the poor performance of his troops in the field. Who really knows that answer because his troops were untested in combat and the United States army had no previous high intensity engagements with the Germans.  Well World War I but that was 1918 and we are in 1943. Sidi Bou Zid and Kasserine Pass were the bar after the first encounters with the Germans.  Eventually the bar for combat performance against the Germans gets raised by future victories but how can anybody expect American commanders to do better with such raw troops and more importantly untested field commanders.  Fredendall deployed his troops in excellent positions and his offensives earlier in the campaign look very similar to Patton&#039;s later on.  Is their anyway that Fredendall could have stopped his troops from routing once they were under aerial bombardment or under attack by panzers. I doubt it unless he decided to deploy his artillery closer to the lines but that would have taken the artillery out of a more effective defensive position where they were later used to stop Rommel from exploiting his victory at Kasserine.  Also, why does Fredendall get the blame for losing at Kasserine when in truth he won when it comes to the overall operation?  He won with a less experienced army and inferior equipment with the proper use and deployment of his artillery.  </p>
<p>Fredendall lost his job because of style points. He wasn&#039;t at the front but in his HQ which in public opinion doesn&#039;t look good. Second, even though Kasserine was a US victory it wasn&#039;t a pretty victory. Terry Allen may have very well kept his job by leading the defense of the 1st ID at the front.  Finally, two people were going to lose their jobs after Kasserine and the logical choice in 1943 was Eisenhower. So Eisenhower fires Fredendall and places the blame on his shoulders for Kasserine and he puts Patton in his place to whip the II Corps into shape.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Rinkleff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Rinkleff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its unfair to criticze a general for a near disaster which ultimately turned out to be a success, and which was basically unavaoidable anyways. 

According to Nance, Fredendall had a couple hundred engineers spend a couple weeks turning a mining shaft into a bunker. Was this such an unreasonable decision? Weren&#039;t the Allies suffering from incessant air attack? Wasn&#039;t it true that II Corps lacked sufficient housing, and that headquarters staff were killed by German air attacks? Isn&#039;t it true that Fredendall also used engineers, many more engineers, to construct a minefield across Kasserine Pass? Why then do we turn this mythological bunker into such a decisive damning piece of evidence. Clearly, the bunker represented a mere fraction of Fredendall&#039;s efforts, and it certainly had some justification. 

I don&#039;t think anyone is going to realistically argue that it was possible for the 2nd Corps to hold the eastern Dorsal against a determined German attack. Instead of building a headquarters bunker, Fredendall could have instead constructed a couple of pillboxes in Sidi bou zid, and we all know it wouldn&#039;t have made one iota of difference. Yes, he could have done better, but everyone can do better. Meanwhile, the fact remains that the Germans were stopped. 

Thus, I think that criticisms of Fredendall tell us more about American culture as naively perfectionist, than they actually tell us about Fredendall&#039;s performance. We hate Fredendall like we hate professional sports players who fumble a ball or miss a free throw. Nevermind that they are actually quite good, or that something might very well have been unavoidable, because people don&#039;t really care about the facts, they just care about the dramatic story in which Fredendall -must- be derided so that we can feel good about the subsequent progress. 

Ultimately, it is foolish to think that one battle can be used to indicate whether a general was competent or incompetent. The variables are far too complex for such simplistic analysis. Indeed, I seem to remember that the Germans were very happy with their bunkers in Italy, which served to protect their headquarters from endless Allied air attacks. How is it that the Germans become geniuses for building bunkers, but yet Fredendall remains a moron? How is it that the French were idiots to build their Maginot Line, but yet the Germans were brilliant in constructing their Seigfreid Line. It seems that most people are far too quick to confuse success with competence, and failure with incompetence. 

Meanwhile, to reiterate, the fact remains that the Germans were stopped at Kasserine! It was clearly a defeat for the Germans! Just what exactly are we blaming Fredendall for? Because he lost control of an outpost position at Sidi bou zid? Who is crazy enough to think that there was any way to adequately defend the southeastern Dorsals? In response to the German attack, Fredendall did just exactly what all of you wanted him to do. He ordered an immediate counterattack by Alger... and it failed miserably. It seems that Fredendall is damned if he does and damned if he doesn&#039;t. One might say that he has become a bit of a scapegoat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its unfair to criticze a general for a near disaster which ultimately turned out to be a success, and which was basically unavaoidable anyways. </p>
<p>According to Nance, Fredendall had a couple hundred engineers spend a couple weeks turning a mining shaft into a bunker. Was this such an unreasonable decision? Weren&#039;t the Allies suffering from incessant air attack? Wasn&#039;t it true that II Corps lacked sufficient housing, and that headquarters staff were killed by German air attacks? Isn&#039;t it true that Fredendall also used engineers, many more engineers, to construct a minefield across Kasserine Pass? Why then do we turn this mythological bunker into such a decisive damning piece of evidence. Clearly, the bunker represented a mere fraction of Fredendall&#039;s efforts, and it certainly had some justification. </p>
<p>I don&#039;t think anyone is going to realistically argue that it was possible for the 2nd Corps to hold the eastern Dorsal against a determined German attack. Instead of building a headquarters bunker, Fredendall could have instead constructed a couple of pillboxes in Sidi bou zid, and we all know it wouldn&#039;t have made one iota of difference. Yes, he could have done better, but everyone can do better. Meanwhile, the fact remains that the Germans were stopped. </p>
<p>Thus, I think that criticisms of Fredendall tell us more about American culture as naively perfectionist, than they actually tell us about Fredendall&#039;s performance. We hate Fredendall like we hate professional sports players who fumble a ball or miss a free throw. Nevermind that they are actually quite good, or that something might very well have been unavoidable, because people don&#039;t really care about the facts, they just care about the dramatic story in which Fredendall -must- be derided so that we can feel good about the subsequent progress. </p>
<p>Ultimately, it is foolish to think that one battle can be used to indicate whether a general was competent or incompetent. The variables are far too complex for such simplistic analysis. Indeed, I seem to remember that the Germans were very happy with their bunkers in Italy, which served to protect their headquarters from endless Allied air attacks. How is it that the Germans become geniuses for building bunkers, but yet Fredendall remains a moron? How is it that the French were idiots to build their Maginot Line, but yet the Germans were brilliant in constructing their Seigfreid Line. It seems that most people are far too quick to confuse success with competence, and failure with incompetence. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, to reiterate, the fact remains that the Germans were stopped at Kasserine! It was clearly a defeat for the Germans! Just what exactly are we blaming Fredendall for? Because he lost control of an outpost position at Sidi bou zid? Who is crazy enough to think that there was any way to adequately defend the southeastern Dorsals? In response to the German attack, Fredendall did just exactly what all of you wanted him to do. He ordered an immediate counterattack by Alger&#8230; and it failed miserably. It seems that Fredendall is damned if he does and damned if he doesn&#039;t. One might say that he has become a bit of a scapegoat.</p>
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		<title>By: Herkimer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herkimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting this; just found your blog searching around. Keep up the good work!</description>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“even I have to admit that it&#039;s tough to find much good to say about a general described by one of his own armor commanders, General Ernest Harmon, as a &quot;physical and moral coward.”  -- wow
    “…like to quote Clausewitz on chance and uncertainty and the &quot;fog of war&quot; and then turn around and claim that what General X should have done in a given historical situation was &quot;perfectly obvious.&quot;  It just doesn&#039;t compute to hold both of these points of view simultaneously.” –I respectfully disagree. It is possible, and even logical, to hold both views. Clausewitz offers a macroscopic assessment of the situation, some direction into the larger whys, as well as understanding some knee jerk reactions.  Yet there should be some assessment of General X&#039;s specific actions, otherwise all the suffering and loss was for nothing. 
    That Fredendall did not react to the situation the same way, or as effectively as Patton may have done does not equate to cowardice.  The question about being held in low esteem by his fellow officers--before Kasserine it seems there existed much goodwill for Fredendall. No one enjoys getting hit with the shrapnel of blame or responsibility for bad situations, particularly those that were not of their own making–sadly, it is easier to let General X take most, or all the blame- the fellow officers get the credit, history gets its villain- and everyone else gets to feel better about themselves.  Those are the cowards, the ones that were not in General X’s shoes, but stood by heaping on the blame lest someone pointed a finger at their actions. I believe every military leader would tweak or react differently in a majority of situations if they had the clarity of hindsight.  Imo, One needs to know as many of the facts as possible, assess the options, and even then, remember we are all just human, no one should be expected to be perfect in every instance, God knows I have made my share of mistakes, but you learn and forgive yourself.  I caveat with a personal life truth; people usually do what they honestly believe to be the wisest actions in a given circumstance.  As Cap Dave points out Fredendall’s command style was not the best fit for that instance, but he did what he knew to do, he commanded from his experience.
    FWIW, Assigning blame and labeling another a coward or weak is usually done when one is uniformed or reacting from fear- turns out fear real is the mind killer.  Blame is an easy thing to assign, but like situations I have encountered thus far, it is unproductive, serves to cause further injury, and only builds walls, not bridges, life is far too short for such banal behavior.  Sometimes it is easier to blame others when one has not walked in another&#039;s shoes, but usually a second, and sometimes a third look, will reveal that the person reacted the best he knew how- life can really suck sometimes, war being an intense, severe example, but it sure beats the alternative. If you honestly believe General X acted out of good faith, no matter the outcome, maybe it offers an opportunity to learn so we do not lose good soldiers unnecessarily, as well as offers the opportunity to lend some understanding and compassion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“even I have to admit that it&#039;s tough to find much good to say about a general described by one of his own armor commanders, General Ernest Harmon, as a &#034;physical and moral coward.”  &#8212; wow<br />
    “…like to quote Clausewitz on chance and uncertainty and the &#034;fog of war&#034; and then turn around and claim that what General X should have done in a given historical situation was &#034;perfectly obvious.&#034;  It just doesn&#039;t compute to hold both of these points of view simultaneously.” –I respectfully disagree. It is possible, and even logical, to hold both views. Clausewitz offers a macroscopic assessment of the situation, some direction into the larger whys, as well as understanding some knee jerk reactions.  Yet there should be some assessment of General X&#039;s specific actions, otherwise all the suffering and loss was for nothing.<br />
    That Fredendall did not react to the situation the same way, or as effectively as Patton may have done does not equate to cowardice.  The question about being held in low esteem by his fellow officers&#8211;before Kasserine it seems there existed much goodwill for Fredendall. No one enjoys getting hit with the shrapnel of blame or responsibility for bad situations, particularly those that were not of their own making–sadly, it is easier to let General X take most, or all the blame- the fellow officers get the credit, history gets its villain- and everyone else gets to feel better about themselves.  Those are the cowards, the ones that were not in General X’s shoes, but stood by heaping on the blame lest someone pointed a finger at their actions. I believe every military leader would tweak or react differently in a majority of situations if they had the clarity of hindsight.  Imo, One needs to know as many of the facts as possible, assess the options, and even then, remember we are all just human, no one should be expected to be perfect in every instance, God knows I have made my share of mistakes, but you learn and forgive yourself.  I caveat with a personal life truth; people usually do what they honestly believe to be the wisest actions in a given circumstance.  As Cap Dave points out Fredendall’s command style was not the best fit for that instance, but he did what he knew to do, he commanded from his experience.<br />
    FWIW, Assigning blame and labeling another a coward or weak is usually done when one is uniformed or reacting from fear- turns out fear real is the mind killer.  Blame is an easy thing to assign, but like situations I have encountered thus far, it is unproductive, serves to cause further injury, and only builds walls, not bridges, life is far too short for such banal behavior.  Sometimes it is easier to blame others when one has not walked in another&#039;s shoes, but usually a second, and sometimes a third look, will reveal that the person reacted the best he knew how- life can really suck sometimes, war being an intense, severe example, but it sure beats the alternative. If you honestly believe General X acted out of good faith, no matter the outcome, maybe it offers an opportunity to learn so we do not lose good soldiers unnecessarily, as well as offers the opportunity to lend some understanding and compassion?</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cap'n Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 14:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion, Fredendall&#039;s behavior is consistent for a military commander with a WWI concept of leadership from the rear. The commonly cited facts about Fredendall - he stayed on his troop ship during the landing until fighting was over, he lived in The Oran Hotel during the offensive to the east, he built the much discussed bunker - all point to a man who was a manager rather than a commander.  His actions are consistent with a resource manager who is more comfortable with logistics and eschews combat - preferring to allow his subordinate commanders handle the fight. Unfortunately for him, the fight around the Kassarine pass required tactical coordination and planning above the division level. While the armies of the world had learned hard lessons about trench warfare from WWI, I believe Fredendall looked to WWI for an example of how a Corps commander behaved in combat. This makes sense in a way, since there is no field manual on how a commander at that level behaves and Fredendall would have had to look to his own combat experiences in the Philippines and WWI for examples. It is easy to imagine Doug Haig behaving in a similar fashion at Kassarine.

That said, since no other US commander had any greater combat experience, let alone a combat command, there was no way to anticipate Fredendall&#039;s weak showing. Had his subordinate commanders held the eastern dorsal, or had any other of a number of variables gone his way, his weaknesses may have gone overlooked and we could now look fondly on President Fredendall while analyzing the failings of General Eisenhower who was too distracted by personal and foreign affairs to give a good account of himself as a commander in North Africa. Both Fredendall and Ike are the result of the fortunes of war.

As Pappy Boyington said &quot;Show me a hero, and I&#039;ll prove he&#039;s a bum.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, Fredendall&#039;s behavior is consistent for a military commander with a WWI concept of leadership from the rear. The commonly cited facts about Fredendall &#8211; he stayed on his troop ship during the landing until fighting was over, he lived in The Oran Hotel during the offensive to the east, he built the much discussed bunker &#8211; all point to a man who was a manager rather than a commander.  His actions are consistent with a resource manager who is more comfortable with logistics and eschews combat &#8211; preferring to allow his subordinate commanders handle the fight. Unfortunately for him, the fight around the Kassarine pass required tactical coordination and planning above the division level. While the armies of the world had learned hard lessons about trench warfare from WWI, I believe Fredendall looked to WWI for an example of how a Corps commander behaved in combat. This makes sense in a way, since there is no field manual on how a commander at that level behaves and Fredendall would have had to look to his own combat experiences in the Philippines and WWI for examples. It is easy to imagine Doug Haig behaving in a similar fashion at Kassarine.</p>
<p>That said, since no other US commander had any greater combat experience, let alone a combat command, there was no way to anticipate Fredendall&#039;s weak showing. Had his subordinate commanders held the eastern dorsal, or had any other of a number of variables gone his way, his weaknesses may have gone overlooked and we could now look fondly on President Fredendall while analyzing the failings of General Eisenhower who was too distracted by personal and foreign affairs to give a good account of himself as a commander in North Africa. Both Fredendall and Ike are the result of the fortunes of war.</p>
<p>As Pappy Boyington said &#034;Show me a hero, and I&#039;ll prove he&#039;s a bum.&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Hays</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Hays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 02:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fredenhall reputation was so low after Kasserine because he was one of the best and brightist in the prewar army.  His seemly cowardly behavior, HQ bunker 70 some odd miles behind the lines, lack of leadership during the battle was unpardonable amongst his peers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fredenhall reputation was so low after Kasserine because he was one of the best and brightist in the prewar army.  His seemly cowardly behavior, HQ bunker 70 some odd miles behind the lines, lack of leadership during the battle was unpardonable amongst his peers</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Hays</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/fredendalls-art-of-war.htm#comment-213065</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Hays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 02:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Fredenhall did not need that bunker.  If I remember correctly US Army doctrine at the time was to attack!  A bunker of that type is only needed when building maginot type defensive line That was not happening in Tunisa in 1943.  Bill was right on about a better use for the engineers.
Fredenhall was summed up the transtion from a peacetime army to a war fighting army.  As well trained as the army was in North Africa it was not ready for war.  It had to learn on the go and officers like Fredenhall who did not cut the mustard were discarded.  To quote George C Scott&#039;s Patton when he took II Corps, &quot;they don&#039;t look like soliders, they don&#039;t act like soliders, so why in the hell would anyone expect them to fight like soliders!&quot;  Unitl the end of the war every unit that shipped out to Europe was put through an even more intensive training program once they arrived.  In the end the US Army had some of the best, brightist officers and men on the planet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, Fredenhall did not need that bunker.  If I remember correctly US Army doctrine at the time was to attack!  A bunker of that type is only needed when building maginot type defensive line That was not happening in Tunisa in 1943.  Bill was right on about a better use for the engineers.<br />
Fredenhall was summed up the transtion from a peacetime army to a war fighting army.  As well trained as the army was in North Africa it was not ready for war.  It had to learn on the go and officers like Fredenhall who did not cut the mustard were discarded.  To quote George C Scott&#039;s Patton when he took II Corps, &#034;they don&#039;t look like soliders, they don&#039;t act like soliders, so why in the hell would anyone expect them to fight like soliders!&#034;  Unitl the end of the war every unit that shipped out to Europe was put through an even more intensive training program once they arrived.  In the end the US Army had some of the best, brightist officers and men on the planet!</p>
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