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		<title>By: The First Battle of the Next War &#171; PA Pundits &#8211; International</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/fighting-the-last-war.htm#comment-786691</link>
		<dc:creator>The First Battle of the Next War &#171; PA Pundits &#8211; International</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the next war in much the same way as they prosecuted the last battle of the most recent war is so well known as to be discussed derisively—like a torpedo to be used against our own strategic planners regardless of any recognition as to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the next war in much the same way as they prosecuted the last battle of the most recent war is so well known as to be discussed derisively—like a torpedo to be used against our own strategic planners regardless of any recognition as to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Defense secretary warns against fighting more ground wars - SLUniverse Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Defense secretary warns against fighting more ground wars - SLUniverse Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 17:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: paul penrod</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/fighting-the-last-war.htm#comment-180893</link>
		<dc:creator>paul penrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is related to the first comment pertaining to the B-17 Perhaps one reason it didn&#039;t have a nose turret was that the Flying Fortress was originally designed to attack targets at sea notice that it originally had large glazed observation areas where the waist gun positions were later placed) It was designed to be one of the three legs of the original US defensive &quot;Triad&quot;-the other two being the Battle fleet and the US Army Coastal Artillery. As it would be attacking shipping, there would be no land-based fighter opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is related to the first comment pertaining to the B-17 Perhaps one reason it didn&#039;t have a nose turret was that the Flying Fortress was originally designed to attack targets at sea notice that it originally had large glazed observation areas where the waist gun positions were later placed) It was designed to be one of the three legs of the original US defensive &#034;Triad&#034;-the other two being the Battle fleet and the US Army Coastal Artillery. As it would be attacking shipping, there would be no land-based fighter opposition.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Citino</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/fighting-the-last-war.htm#comment-177888</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Citino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, everyone.  And for those who might not know, Peter Perla is an authority on the professional use of wargames as planning tools, and the author of a very fine book entitled &quot;The Art of Wargaming:  A Guide for Professionals and Hobbyists.&quot;  Check it out at:

http://www.amazon.com/Art-Wargaming-Guide-Professionals-Hobbyists/dp/0870210505</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, everyone.  And for those who might not know, Peter Perla is an authority on the professional use of wargames as planning tools, and the author of a very fine book entitled &#034;The Art of Wargaming:  A Guide for Professionals and Hobbyists.&#034;  Check it out at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Art-Wargaming-Guide-Professionals-Hobbyists/dp/0870210505" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Art-Wargaming-Guide-Professionals-Hobbyists/dp/0870210505</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/fighting-the-last-war.htm#comment-177790</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition to the problems posted here, another challenge planners face is the application of new technologies to the current conflict.  In most cases, planners and theorists are successful when they recognize that technologies don&#039;t change the fundamental principles of war. Security, Mass, Surprise, Combined Arms, Economy of Force, and such do not change from era to era.  Every so often it seems that some genius comes up with an idea &quot;that will change the face of war forever.&quot;  Early and current Strategic Bombing advocates who preached that air-power obviates the need for infantry are an obvious example.
It seems that the best way to prepare for the future is to train and prepare according to sound fundamental principles, but politics, parochialism, and pure human stubbornness and a desire to find a &#039;short cut&#039; often lead armies astray.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to the problems posted here, another challenge planners face is the application of new technologies to the current conflict.  In most cases, planners and theorists are successful when they recognize that technologies don&#039;t change the fundamental principles of war. Security, Mass, Surprise, Combined Arms, Economy of Force, and such do not change from era to era.  Every so often it seems that some genius comes up with an idea &#034;that will change the face of war forever.&#034;  Early and current Strategic Bombing advocates who preached that air-power obviates the need for infantry are an obvious example.<br />
It seems that the best way to prepare for the future is to train and prepare according to sound fundamental principles, but politics, parochialism, and pure human stubbornness and a desire to find a &#039;short cut&#039; often lead armies astray.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Perla</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/fighting-the-last-war.htm#comment-177727</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Perla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is, of course, no panacea to the problem, no crystal ball to &quot;peer into the future.&quot; There are, however, techniques to explore the potential futures and help militaries try to shape those futures in ways they would prefer. Chief among these is the much misunderstood process of wargaming. 

Much of the above discussion focused on mistakes made during the interwar period but little has been said about the successes. Many of these successes stemmed from the thinking, studying, and wargaming of the U.S. Navy, particularly at the Naval War College in Newport, RI. By drawing on the power of wargaming to elicit thoughtful competition and to expose ideas and theories to ruthless attack on the game board, the U.S. Navy devised much of the ultimate operational approach that helped win the war in the Pacific. 

Admiral Nimitz wrote a famous post-war letter praising the wargmaing done there as helping the Navy foresee and at least think about everything that they faced during the war, except the kamikaze. That might be a tad overstated, but his comments are certainly valid. Like any tool, of course, wargaming can be mis-used and itw surely was by many of the participants in WWII. Just as the wargaming done in preparation for the 2003 Iraq war raised important issues that decision makers chose not to address, the key is not simply to game things out, but to incorporate insights and ideas derived from gaming with those from analysis, military exrecises, and real-world experience. That&#039;s the closest thing to a military crystal ball we are likely to find outside the world of Harry Potter. But it still requires thoughtful and resolute professionals to take the right lessons and make the right decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is, of course, no panacea to the problem, no crystal ball to &#034;peer into the future.&#034; There are, however, techniques to explore the potential futures and help militaries try to shape those futures in ways they would prefer. Chief among these is the much misunderstood process of wargaming. </p>
<p>Much of the above discussion focused on mistakes made during the interwar period but little has been said about the successes. Many of these successes stemmed from the thinking, studying, and wargaming of the U.S. Navy, particularly at the Naval War College in Newport, RI. By drawing on the power of wargaming to elicit thoughtful competition and to expose ideas and theories to ruthless attack on the game board, the U.S. Navy devised much of the ultimate operational approach that helped win the war in the Pacific. </p>
<p>Admiral Nimitz wrote a famous post-war letter praising the wargmaing done there as helping the Navy foresee and at least think about everything that they faced during the war, except the kamikaze. That might be a tad overstated, but his comments are certainly valid. Like any tool, of course, wargaming can be mis-used and itw surely was by many of the participants in WWII. Just as the wargaming done in preparation for the 2003 Iraq war raised important issues that decision makers chose not to address, the key is not simply to game things out, but to incorporate insights and ideas derived from gaming with those from analysis, military exrecises, and real-world experience. That&#039;s the closest thing to a military crystal ball we are likely to find outside the world of Harry Potter. But it still requires thoughtful and resolute professionals to take the right lessons and make the right decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Flyer</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/fighting-the-last-war.htm#comment-177385</link>
		<dc:creator>Flyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After the Korean War, the received wisdom in the U.S. Air Force was &quot;we&#039;ll never fight another conventional war.&quot;  So everything was geared to nuclear and conventional capabilities, theory and training went by the wayside.  Then came Vietnam.  I made it back, but a lot of my friends didn&#039;t.  And we weren&#039;t anywhere near as effective as we should have been.

Also a lot of the planning is politically driven - what can I sell to the politicains (who are the ones supplying the money)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the Korean War, the received wisdom in the U.S. Air Force was &#034;we&#039;ll never fight another conventional war.&#034;  So everything was geared to nuclear and conventional capabilities, theory and training went by the wayside.  Then came Vietnam.  I made it back, but a lot of my friends didn&#039;t.  And we weren&#039;t anywhere near as effective as we should have been.</p>
<p>Also a lot of the planning is politically driven &#8211; what can I sell to the politicains (who are the ones supplying the money)?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Nance</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/fighting-the-last-war.htm#comment-172368</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Nance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 03:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The true problem is not that armies plan to fight the last war.  In fact, planning to fight the last war sometimes makes sense.  What doesn&#039;t work is when armies allow prejudices and paracholiasm dictate results.

For example, the US armor community prior to WW II was divided between those who argued that tanks should ONLY be used as infantry support, and those that demanded full autonomy for tanks.  They were both wrong.  Combined arms advocates had existed, but the politics of the Army of the 1920s and 30s had smothered them.

The tank destroyer concept was based upon the VERY biased opinions of one COL Fuqua, the US attache to the Spanish Civil War.  Fuqua was an infantryman, and let his prejudices show through in his reports which helped turn US thinking to tank destroyers.  The only way TDs were &#039;proved&#039; during manuevers was when the AGF changed the rules to overstate the effectiveness of AT weapons to the point that a soldier with a bag of flour (grenade) could knock out a tank.

More recently, the US in Iraq had the historical experience to fight an insurgency, but the biases of the higher echelons refused to admit what was going on, thereby creating a larger issue.  In 2003 we weren&#039;t even supposed to use the word &#039;insurgent&#039;.

Bottom line - preparing to fight the last war is really looking at history, and making preparations.  This is good solid sense and really is the reason to study military history (those who don&#039;t study history are bound to repeat it, etc.).  However, nations and militaries that do the worst job of dispassionately viewing &quot;WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED&quot; and WHY are those that end up doing the worst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The true problem is not that armies plan to fight the last war.  In fact, planning to fight the last war sometimes makes sense.  What doesn&#039;t work is when armies allow prejudices and paracholiasm dictate results.</p>
<p>For example, the US armor community prior to WW II was divided between those who argued that tanks should ONLY be used as infantry support, and those that demanded full autonomy for tanks.  They were both wrong.  Combined arms advocates had existed, but the politics of the Army of the 1920s and 30s had smothered them.</p>
<p>The tank destroyer concept was based upon the VERY biased opinions of one COL Fuqua, the US attache to the Spanish Civil War.  Fuqua was an infantryman, and let his prejudices show through in his reports which helped turn US thinking to tank destroyers.  The only way TDs were &#039;proved&#039; during manuevers was when the AGF changed the rules to overstate the effectiveness of AT weapons to the point that a soldier with a bag of flour (grenade) could knock out a tank.</p>
<p>More recently, the US in Iraq had the historical experience to fight an insurgency, but the biases of the higher echelons refused to admit what was going on, thereby creating a larger issue.  In 2003 we weren&#039;t even supposed to use the word &#039;insurgent&#039;.</p>
<p>Bottom line &#8211; preparing to fight the last war is really looking at history, and making preparations.  This is good solid sense and really is the reason to study military history (those who don&#039;t study history are bound to repeat it, etc.).  However, nations and militaries that do the worst job of dispassionately viewing &#034;WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED&#034; and WHY are those that end up doing the worst.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Truxal</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/fighting-the-last-war.htm#comment-172329</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Truxal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 02:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t agree more. Too bad the French didn&#039;t have an ocean and a navy to protect them like the British and US did. I think that allowed the British to begin to adapt their doctrines to their battlefield experiences against the Germans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#039;t agree more. Too bad the French didn&#039;t have an ocean and a navy to protect them like the British and US did. I think that allowed the British to begin to adapt their doctrines to their battlefield experiences against the Germans.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Hegarty</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/fighting-the-last-war.htm#comment-172318</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Hegarty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your article was dead on.  Any time you have a high intensity conflict you will have preconceived notions that go by the wayside.  To support a proposition like daylight bombing the evidence, if any, is usually lost in the hot air and grandiose advertising in support of the endeavor.  In my opinion, the ability of the party who adapts quickest to battlefield solutions will ultimately win.  These solution are inexorably linked to resources, both material and financial.  Germany and Japan were ill-prepared to fight a war of attrition once their initial successes were stemmed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your article was dead on.  Any time you have a high intensity conflict you will have preconceived notions that go by the wayside.  To support a proposition like daylight bombing the evidence, if any, is usually lost in the hot air and grandiose advertising in support of the endeavor.  In my opinion, the ability of the party who adapts quickest to battlefield solutions will ultimately win.  These solution are inexorably linked to resources, both material and financial.  Germany and Japan were ill-prepared to fight a war of attrition once their initial successes were stemmed.</p>
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