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One of the things that researchers have to deal with is how to tell whether a particular dog tag is genuine or fake, and there are several ways. ‘Fake’ can either refer to the metallic composition of the dog tag or whether it was actually worn by a U.S. service member. Here is an example of how science proved the authenticity of a dog tag. In 1966 two soldiers joined the Marines under the buddy system, with the guarantee that they would be stationed together throughout their career. They sat four chairs apart in boot camp and, as a result, received military service numbers that differed only in the last digit — one soldier’s service number ended in 602 and the other in 606. The following year, one of the buddies (606) was killed when the helicopter carrying him crashed in Vietnam. As of 2005, he is still unaccounted for. Despite all efforts, U.S. investigators have been unable to locate the crash site or recover the remains of the crew or passengers. That would have been the end of the story if not for the fact that a dog tag showed up on the streets of Vietnam in 2002. A Connecticut couple visiting Vietnam, doing what they perceived as their patriotic duty, purchased some dog tags in Saigon and later learned that one (606) was from an unaccounted-for U.S. Marine killed in action. Through a bit of detective work, the couple located the Marine’s brother and returned the dog tag to him. The brother, after noticing a reddish substance on the dog tag that he believed might be blood, contacted the JTF-FA, which then contacted the CIL to check it out. Once at the CIL, scientists measured and weighed the rectangular dog tag and, using a scanning electron microscope, determined that it was made of stainless steel, a substance commonly used to make dog tags before, during and after the Vietnam War. Its weight, size and features, including a smooth curled edge and the absence of an end-notch, were consistent with dog tags issued in the 1960s. Close examination of the dog tag also revealed evidence of bending, burning and exposure to moist soil for an extended period of time. Scientists at the CIL then took the dog tag to the Serology/DNA Unit of the Honolulu Police Department, where the reddish substance was tested and found not to be blood, but a mixture of corrosion and dirt. The combined evidence was consistent with a dog tag that was made, embossed and issued during the Vietnam War. The evidence also indicated that the dog tag might have been damaged in a helicopter crash. The next step was to compare the dog tag (606) from Saigon with the one carried home after the war by the dead Marine’s buddy (602). Using a low-power microscope, CIL scientists noticed that the numbers 602 and 606 on the two dog tags slanted upward in exactly the same way. They also noted that ‘OLIC’ in ‘CATHOLIC’ was misaligned on both dog tags. There was no doubt that the same stamping machine had been used to emboss the dog tag purchased in Vietnam and the dog tag carried home after the war by the missing Marine’s buddy. Here was irrefutable proof that both dog tags were genuine, having been stamped by the same machine back in 1966. Anyone wanting to produce a fake dog tag to reflect all of the circumstances behind the real 606 dog tag would have had to go to some extraordinary lengths for $1, which is about what the dog tag sold for. In fact, to replicate the original 606 dog tag one would have to:
Of course skeptics may say, ‘Well, that’s just one example, what about all the other dog tags?’ There’s no realistic way to answer that — in fact, it’s impossible to answer with certainty. What we have found, however, is that an intensive program to get to the bottom of these and other dog tag questions has revealed no evidence that any one of the 1,444 dog tags from Hue City is a fake. We’ve also found no evidence to support such statements as ‘You know, the Vietnamese are making dog tags out of beer cans over there ‘ (although we have found handmade dog tag blanks made of recycled metal in Saigon) and ‘Oh, they’re all fakes.’ Such statements only cloud the issue and cast doubt on the authenticity of many genuine U.S. dog tags. There’s no reason for the Vietnamese to produce fake dog tags or — perhaps more accurately — replica dog tags, using vintage blanks with machine-stamped personal information of someone who actually served in-country, when they have so many genuine ones at hand. Considering that some 2 1/2 million Americans served in Southeast Asia, some 5 million genuine dog tags have passed through there. Subscribe Today
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8 Comments to “Dog Tags Lost and Found In Southeast Asia: An Update”
Can you give me information on the most trusted resource for recovering dog tags. My father Larry Francis Lucas, December 20 1966, Army, MIA now recovered and buried in Arlington. His tags were last located in a village close to the place where his plane crashed.
Any resource would be helpful. We are very interested in finding out more about revovering his tags.
Thank you for this story.
760-672-8641
San Diego California
By Melissa Harlow on Aug 8, 2008 at 1:28 pm
In Papua New Guinea last week I encountered a local who possessed 2 sets of US dog tags – a Melbourne Berg of Crystal Falls, MI and a ….Lynch of 5th Air Force. How do I go about pursuing the possibility that these may be MIA’s? The local still has them in PNG.
Mike Decker, Dallas, Tx
By mike decker on Aug 10, 2008 at 8:21 pm
I have lived in SE Asia for 10 years, some local children in a
remote location (without any tourism ) were wearing old dog
tags, (there are many war time plane wrecks nearby , an
abandoned wartime airfield also) We bought the tags from them,
explained why they were so precious and brought them home
with us, we are wanting to re-unite the tags with the soldiers, can
you help us with this??
By Susan on Nov 16, 2008 at 5:20 pm
I have recently found a US army dog tag at a battlefield named Dakto in Vietnam. It is, I believe, 40 years old. I wish to try and track down the owner. I have checked to see if he is MIA on the internet and thankfully he is not. I hope this guy is alive and well and maybe would appreciate the return of his dog tag after all this time. I do not want to submit my precious find to any Dogtag lost and found website. Why should I give them the glory of returning it!!
Maybe you can help someway. I have began some research work by contacting people with the same surname on Facebook and Myspace
Kind regards
Neil
By Neil Hazeldine on Mar 22, 2009 at 5:56 am
How to try to return a Dog Tag: 1st if there is a nine digit number it will be the Social Security Number. Try using an Internet Search Engine such as http://www.zabasearch.com and use the search by SS Number feature; if successful you will get a City and State. Next try a phone directory, such as http://www.anywho.com. Also check using YAHOO or GOOGLE under SSDI (Social Security Death Index) – it may be that the former soldier is deceased. Lastly you can submit a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the National Personnel Records Center in St Louis – http://www.archives.gov The FOIA information may help with tracking the place of entry and discharge of the Dog Tag owner. Be sure to clearly state “This is a FOIA request” and that you want “ALL FOIA RELEASEABLE INFORMATION.”
By Joseph Naporac on May 27, 2009 at 10:25 pm
how can i go about getting my dads replacement tags he passed 14may he was in vietnam for 6 years got out in 1966
thanks
tim
By tim turner on Jul 10, 2009 at 4:22 pm
In January, 2002 I had a dog tag returned to me from a gentleman who purchase several from a Ho Chi Mong city market. His name is Bob McMann from New Hampshire. Are you aware of him.? He did not ask for anything. Just returned my dog tag with a nice carf wishing me home. I appreciated it, even though I did not remember losing a tag.
By ronald Pewinski on Jul 27, 2009 at 8:55 pm
As, a fairly frequent visitor to Vietnam since 92, I can attest to the fact dog tags in the early years were found in shops all over Saigon. Less frequently now, since it has become known that it was and is a scam. I even believe if I were to ask, I could find Bill Clinton, George Bush or even Marilyn Monroe’s dog tags if I had only asked.
One must realize that it isn’t that difficult to find service numbers and even social security numbers if one searched some websites of American units a few years ago. While in Vietnam during the 60s, many of us got our replicate dog tags made by a Vietnamese shop owner, while standing in a Vietnamese vendor’s shop. The one’s I have now are a copy of the real ones, I got on entering the service.
One doesn’t give the Vietnamese enough credit for being smart and industrious. A thief of one’s identity doesn’t have to be born in the United States. Conterfietings, isn’t a national crime but is worldwide. Anyone want to purchase Obama or Bin Laden’s dog tags? I’m heading to Vietnam again soon. Or what about Michael Jackson’s. Now, that would be valuable.
By curtis gilliland on Aug 16, 2009 at 10:59 pm