Comments on: Did Russia Really Go It Alone? How Lend-Lease Helped the Soviets Defeat the Germans http://www.historynet.com/did-russia-really-go-it-alone-how-lend-lease-helped-the-soviets-defeat-the-germans.htm From the World's Largest History Magazine Publisher Sat, 18 May 2013 07:15:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: How much did the lend lease affect the Eastern Front? - Christian Forums http://www.historynet.com/did-russia-really-go-it-alone-how-lend-lease-helped-the-soviets-defeat-the-germans.htm#comment-821401 How much did the lend lease affect the Eastern Front? - Christian Forums Wed, 17 Oct 2012 07:04:04 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13681080#comment-821401 [...] the Soviet rifle cartridges. The discussion evolved from this thread over in American politics. Here's another article about lend lease to the USSR Now the question is whether or not the western allies were decisive in winning the war in Russia. [...] [...] the Soviet rifle cartridges. The discussion evolved from this thread over in American politics. Here's another article about lend lease to the USSR Now the question is whether or not the western allies were decisive in winning the war in Russia. [...]

]]> By: Wolcott http://www.historynet.com/did-russia-really-go-it-alone-how-lend-lease-helped-the-soviets-defeat-the-germans.htm#comment-812280 Wolcott Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:34:37 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13681080#comment-812280 I agree that lend-lease aid made little difference to the Soviet victory on the Eastern Front. In fact, I would believe that it made absolutely no difference at all. I don't recall any lend-lease aircraft or tank (American and British) being ever appreciated by the Soviets. From Operation Barbarossa until the fall of Berlin, it was always domestic vehicles like the T-34 tank and Il-2 Shturmovik aircraft which were given credit. All this aid could have been much better off in countries which never had them and as a result fell to the Axis powers (Malaya, Singapore, Philippines etc). I agree that lend-lease aid made little difference to the Soviet victory on the Eastern Front. In fact, I would believe that it made absolutely no difference at all.

I don't recall any lend-lease aircraft or tank (American and British) being ever appreciated by the Soviets. From Operation Barbarossa until the fall of Berlin, it was always domestic vehicles like the T-34 tank and Il-2 Shturmovik aircraft which were given credit.

All this aid could have been much better off in countries which never had them and as a result fell to the Axis powers (Malaya, Singapore, Philippines etc).

]]> By: geoduck http://www.historynet.com/did-russia-really-go-it-alone-how-lend-lease-helped-the-soviets-defeat-the-germans.htm#comment-811694 geoduck Sun, 08 Jul 2012 03:49:05 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13681080#comment-811694 If you want to suppose a 'clean slate' without the US and UK in the war then why not suppose that the UK and US are neutrals willing to solve their own economic problems by selling arms and materials to whoever has the gold to pay for them. In 1941 that would have been Germany and 'game over' for the Soviet Union. The point is you can't cleanly separate what happened on the eastern front from pre-war politics and economics. If you're looking for the fractal butterfly it might have been Wallis Simpson. Or maybe Belgium in 1914. If the Kaiser had gone on the defensive in the west... If you want to suppose a 'clean slate' without the US and UK in the war then why not suppose that the UK and US are neutrals willing to solve their own economic problems by selling arms and materials to whoever has the gold to pay for them. In 1941 that would have been Germany and 'game over' for the Soviet Union. The point is you can't cleanly separate what happened on the eastern front from pre-war politics and economics. If you're looking for the fractal butterfly it might have been Wallis Simpson. Or maybe Belgium in 1914. If the Kaiser had gone on the defensive in the west…

]]> By: Major Tom http://www.historynet.com/did-russia-really-go-it-alone-how-lend-lease-helped-the-soviets-defeat-the-germans.htm#comment-810603 Major Tom Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:37:55 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13681080#comment-810603 I have been reading extensively on this recently and a slim majority believe the Soviets would have won without the Western assistance. A substantial minority are undecided Most agree that it would have been a long torturous war of attrition lasting 10 or more years. The wild card is technology. German nuclear research was not as advanced as some believe but add another 3-4 years to the equation and it is hard to believe they would not have the bomb. Germany with nukes means game over. Without nukes I imagine the Soviets would have ground them down All of this presupposes that Germany would retain all their allies and the USA and Britain are totally out of the fight. For the purposes of this discussion, we will also assume Japan is no factor. I have been reading extensively on this recently and a slim majority believe the Soviets would have won without the Western assistance. A substantial minority are undecided

Most agree that it would have been a long torturous war of attrition lasting 10 or more years.

The wild card is technology. German nuclear research was not as advanced as some believe but add another 3-4 years to the equation and it is hard to believe they would not have the bomb.

Germany with nukes means game over. Without nukes I imagine the Soviets would have ground them down

All of this presupposes that Germany would retain all their allies and the USA and Britain are totally out of the fight. For the purposes of this discussion, we will also assume Japan is no factor.

]]> By: Igor http://www.historynet.com/did-russia-really-go-it-alone-how-lend-lease-helped-the-soviets-defeat-the-germans.htm#comment-809804 Igor Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:17:26 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13681080#comment-809804 This is wrong. Lend-Lease was very importaint for britain, but not fpr the Soviet Union. Lend-Lease was only 4-6% of the soviet war production. Soviet Union was in war not only against germany. It was Germany with european ressources. With french, czech industries and so on. And Soviet Unino lost 1941 50% (!!!) of soviet industry. Soviet Unino has fought with one hand. This is wrong. Lend-Lease was very importaint for britain, but not fpr the Soviet Union. Lend-Lease was only 4-6% of the soviet war production.

Soviet Union was in war not only against germany. It was Germany with european ressources. With french, czech industries and so on.

And Soviet Unino lost 1941 50% (!!!) of soviet industry. Soviet Unino has fought with one hand.

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]]> By: Capabilities of the Western Allies keep fighting without the USSR - Page 2 http://www.historynet.com/did-russia-really-go-it-alone-how-lend-lease-helped-the-soviets-defeat-the-germans.htm#comment-794148 Capabilities of the Western Allies keep fighting without the USSR - Page 2 Mon, 02 Apr 2012 13:12:47 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13681080#comment-794148 [...] the bitter fighting of the winter of 1941–1942, British aid made a crucial difference.[/I] Did Russia Really Go It Alone? How Lend-Lease Helped the Soviets Defeat the Germans The British needed to protect the country, the Impire worldwide and still helped the Soviets. [...] [...] the bitter fighting of the winter of 1941–1942, British aid made a crucial difference.[/I] Did Russia Really Go It Alone? How Lend-Lease Helped the Soviets Defeat the Germans The British needed to protect the country, the Impire worldwide and still helped the Soviets. [...]

]]> By: I'd like to understand the popular historical view of the Eastern Front - Page 3 http://www.historynet.com/did-russia-really-go-it-alone-how-lend-lease-helped-the-soviets-defeat-the-germans.htm#comment-792836 I'd like to understand the popular historical view of the Eastern Front - Page 3 Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:52:16 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13681080#comment-792836 [...] the popular historical view of the Eastern Front Article about the British help in 1941: Did Russia Really Go It Alone? How Lend-Lease Helped the Soviets Defeat the Germans Reply With [...] [...] the popular historical view of the Eastern Front Article about the British help in 1941: Did Russia Really Go It Alone? How Lend-Lease Helped the Soviets Defeat the Germans Reply With [...]

]]> By: Mike http://www.historynet.com/did-russia-really-go-it-alone-how-lend-lease-helped-the-soviets-defeat-the-germans.htm#comment-787311 Mike Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:31:13 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13681080#comment-787311 Without US assistance ALL of Europe was kaput. Without US assistance ALL of Europe was kaput.

]]> By: Could the Allies defeat Germany only with air power? - Page 3 http://www.historynet.com/did-russia-really-go-it-alone-how-lend-lease-helped-the-soviets-defeat-the-germans.htm#comment-782076 Could the Allies defeat Germany only with air power? - Page 3 Wed, 23 Nov 2011 03:24:22 +0000 http://www.historynet.com/?p=13681080#comment-782076 [...] in service, with more than 16 percent of those imported, and more than half of those British. Did Russia Really Go It Alone? How Lend-Lease Helped the Soviets Defeat the Germans This subject is very complex. For every advantage one side has, the other has others. And I'm also [...] [...] in service, with more than 16 percent of those imported, and more than half of those British. Did Russia Really Go It Alone? How Lend-Lease Helped the Soviets Defeat the Germans This subject is very complex. For every advantage one side has, the other has others. And I'm also [...]

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