Comments on: Death at Summit Springs: Susanna Alderdice and the Cheyennes http://www.historynet.com/death-at-summit-springs-susanna-alderdice-and-the-cheyennes.htm From the World's Largest History Magazine Publisher Sat, 18 May 2013 15:30:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Darrell Wood http://www.historynet.com/death-at-summit-springs-susanna-alderdice-and-the-cheyennes.htm#comment-949488 Darrell Wood Fri, 15 Mar 2013 03:23:21 +0000 #comment-949488 I taught history at Northeastern Junior College in Sterling, Co and retired in 1987 (continued teaching part time till 1994). I conducted travel history classes,mostly following western trails and to battle sites and forts, for several years. I wish I had the remarkable "Dog Soldier Justice" by Dr Broome back then, for I just read it and consider it the definitve source of the Cheyenne Dog Soldiers raiding after Sand Creek. I was lent a copy by Mr. Jones who lived not far from Beecher Island. I disagree with the post that makes an association with what "Great Sioux Uprising" in Minn. Perhaps some small motivation for Indian activity in Nebraska and Kansas and Colorado, but the Grattan "Battle" and the Sand Creek "Battle" were far more conflict motivating. I taught history at Northeastern Junior College in Sterling, Co and retired in 1987 (continued teaching part time till 1994). I conducted travel history classes,mostly following western trails and to battle sites and forts, for several years. I wish I had the remarkable "Dog Soldier Justice" by Dr Broome back then, for I just read it and consider it the definitve source of the Cheyenne Dog Soldiers raiding after Sand Creek. I was lent a copy by Mr. Jones who lived not far from Beecher Island.

I disagree with the post that makes an association with what "Great Sioux Uprising" in Minn. Perhaps some small motivation for Indian activity in Nebraska and Kansas and Colorado, but the Grattan "Battle" and the Sand Creek "Battle" were far more conflict motivating.

]]> By: marc andrews http://www.historynet.com/death-at-summit-springs-susanna-alderdice-and-the-cheyennes.htm#comment-944197 marc andrews Wed, 13 Mar 2013 20:19:50 +0000 #comment-944197 Jeff. Where can I find the panoramic photograph by Larry Finnel of the Summit Springs battlefield that you mention as being in your great book Dog Soldier Justice? It is not in my copy, and would like to see it...somehow. Thanks, Marc Jeff.
Where can I find the panoramic photograph by Larry Finnel of the Summit Springs battlefield that you mention as being in your great book Dog Soldier Justice? It is not in my copy, and would like to see it…somehow.
Thanks, Marc

]]> By: Frank Bodden http://www.historynet.com/death-at-summit-springs-susanna-alderdice-and-the-cheyennes.htm#comment-826282 Frank Bodden Tue, 04 Dec 2012 22:59:34 +0000 #comment-826282 Thanks for the clarification, Doug. Bad hombres everywhere out there. Thanks for the clarification, Doug. Bad hombres everywhere out there.

]]> By: Doug http://www.historynet.com/death-at-summit-springs-susanna-alderdice-and-the-cheyennes.htm#comment-826243 Doug Tue, 04 Dec 2012 16:07:12 +0000 #comment-826243 Yeah Frank, they were no where related, this I know, was just making a point of the build up of tensions between the indians and whites. Some were making it a race issue, I was just saying in those times it just wasnt whites and indians, hence the white on white at Mountain Mdows, like I said, rough times. Mid-late 1800s. Yeah Frank, they were no where related, this I know, was just making a point of the build up of tensions between the indians and whites. Some were making it a race issue, I was just saying in those times it just wasnt whites and indians, hence the white on white at Mountain Mdows, like I said, rough times. Mid-late 1800s.

]]> By: Frank Bodden http://www.historynet.com/death-at-summit-springs-susanna-alderdice-and-the-cheyennes.htm#comment-825854 Frank Bodden Sat, 01 Dec 2012 00:24:05 +0000 #comment-825854 Mountain Meadows was a case where the Mormons murdered a large number of white folks on a wagon train who were just passing through. They convinced them to lay down their weapons and safe passage, and then slaughtered -- can't recall the number. Probably over 200 men, women and children. Tried to blame it on the local Indians, although some of them might have been involved. I can't remember the dates of the Minnesota Massacre by the Sioux but was well in advance of Sand Creek and the two weren't remotely related. Mountain Meadows was a case where the Mormons murdered a large number of white folks on a wagon train who were just passing through. They convinced them to lay down their weapons and safe passage, and then slaughtered — can't recall the number. Probably over 200 men, women and children. Tried to blame it on the local Indians, although some of them might have been involved. I can't remember the dates of the Minnesota Massacre by the Sioux but was well in advance of Sand Creek and the two weren't remotely related.

]]> By: Doug http://www.historynet.com/death-at-summit-springs-susanna-alderdice-and-the-cheyennes.htm#comment-825814 Doug Fri, 30 Nov 2012 18:22:40 +0000 #comment-825814 I agree with Jeff and Robert. The notrosities were on both sides. Remember the Hungates and the Minnesota Massacre is just a couple of reasons for the Sand Creek Battle or massacre which ever you prefer. Do some research on a massacre called Mountain Meadows in Utah, thats some messed up stuff it just happened everywhere back then, whites going after indians, indians going after whites, settlers murdering other settlers, it was a rough time in our nations history. I agree with Jeff and Robert. The notrosities were on both sides. Remember the Hungates and the Minnesota Massacre is just a couple of reasons for the Sand Creek Battle or massacre which ever you prefer. Do some research on a massacre called Mountain Meadows in Utah, thats some messed up stuff it just happened everywhere back then, whites going after indians, indians going after whites, settlers murdering other settlers, it was a rough time in our nations history.

]]> By: Brad http://www.historynet.com/death-at-summit-springs-susanna-alderdice-and-the-cheyennes.htm#comment-824681 Brad Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:20:00 +0000 #comment-824681 Your wrong Tom. Custer was impotent,from a case of vd Your wrong Tom. Custer was impotent,from a case of vd

]]> By: Robert http://www.historynet.com/death-at-summit-springs-susanna-alderdice-and-the-cheyennes.htm#comment-823459 Robert Sat, 03 Nov 2012 14:57:11 +0000 #comment-823459 Agree with Frank, but as far as Tom. I doubt he even remember's he wrote this post. Kid is barely 18 and shows his lack of education, judgement, and knowledge. Most of your FACTS are actually without merit, you're tossing out junk with the hope something sticks. When you say "ALL", this means exactly that...ALL. Which means all Native American Books are from one man's perspective. Well, yeah, they wrote it. Only they researched it using many resources you can't even understand. Does this mean books written by Native Americans are from one man's point of view too? After all, you did say ALL. The whole point of reading them is to understand both sides. Both sides rape, murdered and protected. I am sure if a loved one of your's was violated, you'd be out for revenge no matter who's side you are on. I know I would and it's only human nature. The nation's leaders screwed over the Indians so many ways we can't keep up. Yet, there are so many accounts of white befriending and loving red. Still, the Indians responded in many normal ways. Many loved and befriended the white and yet many also went out to do harm againist white. Tom, next time understand more and maybe when you have more years of life under your belt, you'll understand how ignorant you sound. Agree with Frank, but as far as Tom. I doubt he even remember's he wrote this post. Kid is barely 18 and shows his lack of education, judgement, and knowledge. Most of your FACTS are actually without merit, you're tossing out junk with the hope something sticks. When you say "ALL", this means exactly that…ALL. Which means all Native American Books are from one man's perspective. Well, yeah, they wrote it. Only they researched it using many resources you can't even understand. Does this mean books written by Native Americans are from one man's point of view too? After all, you did say ALL. The whole point of reading them is to understand both sides. Both sides rape, murdered and protected. I am sure if a loved one of your's was violated, you'd be out for revenge no matter who's side you are on. I know I would and it's only human nature. The nation's leaders screwed over the Indians so many ways we can't keep up. Yet, there are so many accounts of white befriending and loving red. Still, the Indians responded in many normal ways. Many loved and befriended the white and yet many also went out to do harm againist white. Tom, next time understand more and maybe when you have more years of life under your belt, you'll understand how ignorant you sound.

]]> By: Tammy http://www.historynet.com/death-at-summit-springs-susanna-alderdice-and-the-cheyennes.htm#comment-823119 Tammy Wed, 31 Oct 2012 06:15:12 +0000 #comment-823119 How sad and raw history reveals itself to be. How sad and raw history reveals itself to be.

]]> By: Frank Bodden http://www.historynet.com/death-at-summit-springs-susanna-alderdice-and-the-cheyennes.htm#comment-816992 Frank Bodden Fri, 31 Aug 2012 23:53:54 +0000 #comment-816992 I can't believe some of the postings made by Tom and his lack of knowledge of the subject. Gen. Carr knew there were two white female captives because this was the group of Indians guilty of the raids along the Solomon/Saline Creeks. It was Susanna Alderdice's husband, Tom, who went out on his own and helped find the approximate location of the village and report back. Mrs. Alderdice was killed by a hatchet/tomahawk that crushed her skull. As for Custer raping an Indian, again,fiction, and anyone who reads and studies this part of history knows Custer was a solder's soldier who in some cases prevented wholesale slaughter, such as at Washita. Washita was no Sand Creek. Some of you folks need to study that of which you post reckless remarks here. Dr. Broome's book Dog Soldier Justice was well researched, not a work of fiction, and you should read it if you want to find out about the history. I can't believe some of the postings made by Tom and his lack of knowledge of the subject. Gen. Carr knew there were two white female captives because this was the group of Indians guilty of the raids along the Solomon/Saline Creeks. It was Susanna Alderdice's husband, Tom, who went out on his own and helped find the approximate location of the village and report back. Mrs. Alderdice was killed by a hatchet/tomahawk that crushed her skull.
As for Custer raping an Indian, again,fiction, and anyone who reads and studies this part of history knows Custer was a solder's soldier who in some cases prevented wholesale slaughter, such as at Washita. Washita was no Sand Creek. Some of you folks need to study that of which you post reckless remarks here. Dr. Broome's book Dog Soldier Justice was well researched, not a work of fiction, and you should read it if you want to find out about the history.

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