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		<title>By: NorPlains</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/custers-last-stand-still-stands-up.htm/comment-page-1#comment-148319</link>
		<dc:creator>NorPlains</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It seems to me that it was Custer’s own fault for his defeat. For you see, Terry’s orders were percise to stay and wait for more troops.&quot;

The above statement is categorically false.  It was one of the first I came across and copied it.  But then I became overwhelmed by so many instances of misinformation, that go way beyond simple conjecture, that I became disheartened and gave the project up.  I guess it&#039;s the manifestation of so many theories that have been promulgated over the last 133 years.  The real problem is that there is much that we do know about the battle (such as Custer&#039;s orders from General Terry) and judging by many of the above posts the known facts or the most likely scenarios as supported by the evidence have been completely obscured and debased by the wild conjecture on the less supportive evidence.  It seems that many people are unable to carry fact, very solid, very good, and good evidence from one article/book to the next.  Or they&#039;re not interested enough to read more than one piece regarding the subject and then form their opinon on that one piece.   

For example: after sifting through so much of the information of this battle for so many years, taking into account testimony afterwards by Curley, Martin, etc., knowing which horse Custer was riding that day (Vic), that Custer had taken off his buckskin jacket and tied it behind him on the saddle (Peter Thompson and the Arikara scout Soldier), the different colors of the horses in the various companies, I think it&#039;s very likely that Company E alone went to the river (Medicine Tail Coulee) for a reconnoiter of the ford there, and it was E Company C.O. 1st Lt  Algernon Smith who was shot at the river, not Custer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It seems to me that it was Custer’s own fault for his defeat. For you see, Terry’s orders were percise to stay and wait for more troops.&#8221;</p>
<p>The above statement is categorically false.  It was one of the first I came across and copied it.  But then I became overwhelmed by so many instances of misinformation, that go way beyond simple conjecture, that I became disheartened and gave the project up.  I guess it&#8217;s the manifestation of so many theories that have been promulgated over the last 133 years.  The real problem is that there is much that we do know about the battle (such as Custer&#8217;s orders from General Terry) and judging by many of the above posts the known facts or the most likely scenarios as supported by the evidence have been completely obscured and debased by the wild conjecture on the less supportive evidence.  It seems that many people are unable to carry fact, very solid, very good, and good evidence from one article/book to the next.  Or they&#8217;re not interested enough to read more than one piece regarding the subject and then form their opinon on that one piece.   </p>
<p>For example: after sifting through so much of the information of this battle for so many years, taking into account testimony afterwards by Curley, Martin, etc., knowing which horse Custer was riding that day (Vic), that Custer had taken off his buckskin jacket and tied it behind him on the saddle (Peter Thompson and the Arikara scout Soldier), the different colors of the horses in the various companies, I think it&#8217;s very likely that Company E alone went to the river (Medicine Tail Coulee) for a reconnoiter of the ford there, and it was E Company C.O. 1st Lt  Algernon Smith who was shot at the river, not Custer.</p>
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		<title>By: Dee Cee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dee Cee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also believe Custer was shot early in the engagement. Some sources believe Custer intended hanging around on the bluffs until Benteen came along before attacking the village. In my opinion Custer was not the type to hang around and he intended attacking that village there and then-let Benteen join in when he arrives. Something caused the charge to halt and I believe it was when Custer was mortally wounded near the ford. no doubt Tom, Cooke and possibly Keogh all dismounted to help and the hold up was fatal. Soon warriors began arriving in force and the troops began to retreat to the bluffs and wait for Benteen.
By now hundreds of warriors were hot on their trail and the rear most troops Calhoun and Keogh dismount to try and halt the warriors advance, while Tom,Cooke and Yates all head to Last Stand Hill and attempt to dig in. Calhoun holds out for a while but is overwelmed, Keogh trys to make a stand but cant hold out, the remains of the companies flee to Last Stand Hill. Now surrounded one company decides to break out but are forced into Deep Ravine. They hold out for a while and the handful of remaining troops on Last Stand Hill make a futile break out to try and join them. 
I`ve read so many stories of organised resistance but I dont believe it happened, the soldiers simply didnt have time. It was over very quick indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also believe Custer was shot early in the engagement. Some sources believe Custer intended hanging around on the bluffs until Benteen came along before attacking the village. In my opinion Custer was not the type to hang around and he intended attacking that village there and then-let Benteen join in when he arrives. Something caused the charge to halt and I believe it was when Custer was mortally wounded near the ford. no doubt Tom, Cooke and possibly Keogh all dismounted to help and the hold up was fatal. Soon warriors began arriving in force and the troops began to retreat to the bluffs and wait for Benteen.<br />
By now hundreds of warriors were hot on their trail and the rear most troops Calhoun and Keogh dismount to try and halt the warriors advance, while Tom,Cooke and Yates all head to Last Stand Hill and attempt to dig in. Calhoun holds out for a while but is overwelmed, Keogh trys to make a stand but cant hold out, the remains of the companies flee to Last Stand Hill. Now surrounded one company decides to break out but are forced into Deep Ravine. They hold out for a while and the handful of remaining troops on Last Stand Hill make a futile break out to try and join them.<br />
I`ve read so many stories of organised resistance but I dont believe it happened, the soldiers simply didnt have time. It was over very quick indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Willie</title>
		<link>http://www.historynet.com/custers-last-stand-still-stands-up.htm/comment-page-1#comment-135916</link>
		<dc:creator>Willie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fool -

Am in agreement with all your points except two:

When Martini gave Cooke&#039;s note (Custer&#039;s order) to Benteen, he (Benteen) would have headed southeast (away from Reno), to find the pack train, which was behind him with Capt McDougall&#039;s B Company.  Thus,he would not have then &quot;found a decimated Reno&quot;, as Reno was already northwest of him.

I too, believe that Custer was shot in the chest, either at or in the river (many believe he didn&#039;t go to the river), and that his troops carried or dragged him up the hill.  But I like to think the post mortem temple shot was delivered by one of the Indians after the battle, as they were known to do.  No particular reason - maybe just don&#039;t wanna think his own people had to do it.






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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fool -</p>
<p>Am in agreement with all your points except two:</p>
<p>When Martini gave Cooke&#8217;s note (Custer&#8217;s order) to Benteen, he (Benteen) would have headed southeast (away from Reno), to find the pack train, which was behind him with Capt McDougall&#8217;s B Company.  Thus,he would not have then &#8220;found a decimated Reno&#8221;, as Reno was already northwest of him.</p>
<p>I too, believe that Custer was shot in the chest, either at or in the river (many believe he didn&#8217;t go to the river), and that his troops carried or dragged him up the hill.  But I like to think the post mortem temple shot was delivered by one of the Indians after the battle, as they were known to do.  No particular reason &#8211; maybe just don&#8217;t wanna think his own people had to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Fool Walks In</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fool Walks In</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I see it, there were possibly a few thousand rested Indians fighting  a few hundred tired soldiers.

Crook showed that a formidable  sized unit was no guarantee of success against a foe who was not fighting as expected.

These elements had a major contribution to Custer&#039;s demise. 

Cookes Benteen note, as I read it, was  for Benteen to bring the packs, indicative of Benteen needing to locate the pack train THEN meet Custer. Custer&#039;s &quot;scouting&quot; orders to Benteen would indicate that Custer had not intended Benteen to be part of his battle. I believe that Benteen received his note, made for the pack train, found a decimated Reno and assisted him, By this time Reno&#039;s outfit were in a defensive position and fighting for their lives. I think that Benteen and Reno accessed that going to look for Custer would have led to the annihilation of the 7th.

It seems to me that if Benteen had gone to Custer, Reno would have run out of ammo. Benteen would have found Custer&#039;s command essentially finished and I believe he would have shared their fate. No doubt Reno&#039;s command with no ammunition would also have been destroyed.

Reno  was originally told to attack the village and that Custer would support him with the whole &quot;outfit&quot;. Reno attacked the village, was getting his ass whipped and Custer did not come to his aid. Reno then went on the defensive and ultimately saved his command. 

If Reno and Benteen went to aid Custer, the end result would have been no 7th Calvary survivors and a busier burial detail when &quot;relief&quot; came. 

Custer&#039;s command seemed to have a variance in its actions till its demise. Some companies fought and died in situ, others &quot;ran&quot;. I believe that Custer was at least mortally wounded while attempting a ford crossing...and this meant the command was essentially broken to the point where individual company commanders fended for themselves...with no &quot;battle plan&quot; . I think that Custer was incapacitated is indicated by his head wound applied post Morten.  I believe that due to the shortness of the Custer fight, his body was still warm and those who recovered him from the river, shot him in the head in the final moments, to ensure a living Custer did not end up tortured by Indians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I see it, there were possibly a few thousand rested Indians fighting  a few hundred tired soldiers.</p>
<p>Crook showed that a formidable  sized unit was no guarantee of success against a foe who was not fighting as expected.</p>
<p>These elements had a major contribution to Custer&#8217;s demise. </p>
<p>Cookes Benteen note, as I read it, was  for Benteen to bring the packs, indicative of Benteen needing to locate the pack train THEN meet Custer. Custer&#8217;s &#8220;scouting&#8221; orders to Benteen would indicate that Custer had not intended Benteen to be part of his battle. I believe that Benteen received his note, made for the pack train, found a decimated Reno and assisted him, By this time Reno&#8217;s outfit were in a defensive position and fighting for their lives. I think that Benteen and Reno accessed that going to look for Custer would have led to the annihilation of the 7th.</p>
<p>It seems to me that if Benteen had gone to Custer, Reno would have run out of ammo. Benteen would have found Custer&#8217;s command essentially finished and I believe he would have shared their fate. No doubt Reno&#8217;s command with no ammunition would also have been destroyed.</p>
<p>Reno  was originally told to attack the village and that Custer would support him with the whole &#8220;outfit&#8221;. Reno attacked the village, was getting his ass whipped and Custer did not come to his aid. Reno then went on the defensive and ultimately saved his command. </p>
<p>If Reno and Benteen went to aid Custer, the end result would have been no 7th Calvary survivors and a busier burial detail when &#8220;relief&#8221; came. </p>
<p>Custer&#8217;s command seemed to have a variance in its actions till its demise. Some companies fought and died in situ, others &#8220;ran&#8221;. I believe that Custer was at least mortally wounded while attempting a ford crossing&#8230;and this meant the command was essentially broken to the point where individual company commanders fended for themselves&#8230;with no &#8220;battle plan&#8221; . I think that Custer was incapacitated is indicated by his head wound applied post Morten.  I believe that due to the shortness of the Custer fight, his body was still warm and those who recovered him from the river, shot him in the head in the final moments, to ensure a living Custer did not end up tortured by Indians.</p>
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		<title>By: Willie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe Reno or Benteen failed anyone.  If they had continued the attack on the south end of the village, there woulda been 652 bodies for Gen Terry &amp; Gibbon to bury instead of 210.  They were so far outnumbered that even if Custer had accepted Terry&#039;s offer of the gattling guns and Major Brisbin&#039;s Battalion and kept his unit all together, the outcome would have been the same - it just woulda taken the Indains a little longer to do it.

Gen Crook got his butt kicked (and retreated to Wyoming with his tail between his legs) by those same Indians the week before on the Rosebud. He knew they would stand and fight and how large a force they had but never sent word to Terry, Gibbon, Custer, Reno, Benteen  or the man in the moon.

The biggest failure to Custer was his own belief that the Indians would scatter rather than fight and that his 7th Cavalry could &quot;whip any Indians they might come across&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe Reno or Benteen failed anyone.  If they had continued the attack on the south end of the village, there woulda been 652 bodies for Gen Terry &amp; Gibbon to bury instead of 210.  They were so far outnumbered that even if Custer had accepted Terry&#8217;s offer of the gattling guns and Major Brisbin&#8217;s Battalion and kept his unit all together, the outcome would have been the same &#8211; it just woulda taken the Indains a little longer to do it.</p>
<p>Gen Crook got his butt kicked (and retreated to Wyoming with his tail between his legs) by those same Indians the week before on the Rosebud. He knew they would stand and fight and how large a force they had but never sent word to Terry, Gibbon, Custer, Reno, Benteen  or the man in the moon.</p>
<p>The biggest failure to Custer was his own belief that the Indians would scatter rather than fight and that his 7th Cavalry could &#8220;whip any Indians they might come across&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashton O'Dwyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashton O'Dwyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some time ago, I read &quot;somewhere&quot; that one of the General&#039;s relatives rode back to Reno Hill, before Benteen&#039;s arrival. I cannot recall whether this was before or after Martini&#039;s delivery of the orders to Benteen. In any event, the General&#039;s relative then rode back to the battle, and to his death and glory. What this all means to me is that the public needs a reliable &quot;timeline&quot; about precisely what was &quot;happening&quot; at various locations, and precisely &quot;when&quot;. My reading has left me with the firm conviction that Reno and Benteen failed the General, who has been much maligned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some time ago, I read &#8220;somewhere&#8221; that one of the General&#8217;s relatives rode back to Reno Hill, before Benteen&#8217;s arrival. I cannot recall whether this was before or after Martini&#8217;s delivery of the orders to Benteen. In any event, the General&#8217;s relative then rode back to the battle, and to his death and glory. What this all means to me is that the public needs a reliable &#8220;timeline&#8221; about precisely what was &#8220;happening&#8221; at various locations, and precisely &#8220;when&#8221;. My reading has left me with the firm conviction that Reno and Benteen failed the General, who has been much maligned.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Kerska</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Kerska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To dj, anonymous, and others,

There is NO evidence of the Regular Army purposely killing women and children as a prescribed tactic.  Women and children were killed, just as they are in war today, by accident and by the the acts of sick individuals.  The evidence is overwhelming at the Battle of the Washita (for example) that the army strived to avoid non-combatant casaulties.  The Sand Creek Massacre was carried out by Colorado Militia, not the Regular Army.  I challenge anyone to show me evidence that the Regular Army ever puposely went and killed non-combatants on the post-Civil War frontier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To dj, anonymous, and others,</p>
<p>There is NO evidence of the Regular Army purposely killing women and children as a prescribed tactic.  Women and children were killed, just as they are in war today, by accident and by the the acts of sick individuals.  The evidence is overwhelming at the Battle of the Washita (for example) that the army strived to avoid non-combatant casaulties.  The Sand Creek Massacre was carried out by Colorado Militia, not the Regular Army.  I challenge anyone to show me evidence that the Regular Army ever puposely went and killed non-combatants on the post-Civil War frontier.</p>
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		<title>By: djdickerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>djdickerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found several new pieces of information I had not previously known about. Custer refused to take along the new Gattlin guns that had arrived. They were still in boxes. He had his men box up their sabres since he expected no hand-to-hand combat. He received offers of help from other commands but refused them wanting the 7th Cavalry to get full credit. His tactic had been to wait until the Indian men (braves) left the camp and then go in and kill the women &amp; children and burn the camp. This was supposed to make them move out of the area and not come back. But this only angered and organized them into a heavy resistance.  He also divided his forces at a critical time. The estimates are 200 soldiera against 4000 Indian Braves. Not too good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found several new pieces of information I had not previously known about. Custer refused to take along the new Gattlin guns that had arrived. They were still in boxes. He had his men box up their sabres since he expected no hand-to-hand combat. He received offers of help from other commands but refused them wanting the 7th Cavalry to get full credit. His tactic had been to wait until the Indian men (braves) left the camp and then go in and kill the women &amp; children and burn the camp. This was supposed to make them move out of the area and not come back. But this only angered and organized them into a heavy resistance.  He also divided his forces at a critical time. The estimates are 200 soldiera against 4000 Indian Braves. Not too good.</p>
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		<title>By: rebecca northcutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>rebecca northcutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read so many Books on the Little big horn battle.  custer to me is a Hero and I wish there was someone that lived to tell the truth about what happen.   Custer too me is the most interesting person, and if you read his wife books they are wonderful.  They tell a differnent side of Custer , she is a great story teller.  I wish she had written more books.  I don&#039;t blame Reno and Benteen but I am sure if they had helped him that no one would have lived.  I know for a fact Benteen did not like him and proofed if over and over.  Who knows what any one person would have done in the battle .  I know that history waS not very nice to Custer.  He was no Idoit , he was a man just  like  you and I .    I know he loved every bit of being in the calavry  and gave his life for his country.    Thanks Custer!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read so many Books on the Little big horn battle.  custer to me is a Hero and I wish there was someone that lived to tell the truth about what happen.   Custer too me is the most interesting person, and if you read his wife books they are wonderful.  They tell a differnent side of Custer , she is a great story teller.  I wish she had written more books.  I don&#8217;t blame Reno and Benteen but I am sure if they had helped him that no one would have lived.  I know for a fact Benteen did not like him and proofed if over and over.  Who knows what any one person would have done in the battle .  I know that history waS not very nice to Custer.  He was no Idoit , he was a man just  like  you and I .    I know he loved every bit of being in the calavry  and gave his life for his country.    Thanks Custer!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Willie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way to go, Dan Lee - letting your intelligence (?) show.  This is for comments on &quot;Custer&#039;s Last Stand&quot;, not some ignorant Canuck&#039;s political views.

You&#039;re evidently not old enough to understand, but without the U.S., Europe would be speaking German and most of the Western World would have had to learn Russion about 30 years ago.  We don&#039;t wave it under peoples&#039; noses until idiots like you bring it up.

Don&#039;t worry, we won&#039;t won&#039;t be invading Canada any time soon - nothing there worth fighting over.  On second thought, we&#039;re softies for things like freedom, so if it needed saving, we&#039;d probably do the same thing again !

Who inhabited Canada before white people ?  Musta been the Frenchmen who wanna leave &amp; take their Province with &#039;em.  Couldn&#039;t have been Indians (they woulda been treated better).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to go, Dan Lee &#8211; letting your intelligence (?) show.  This is for comments on &#8220;Custer&#8217;s Last Stand&#8221;, not some ignorant Canuck&#8217;s political views.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re evidently not old enough to understand, but without the U.S., Europe would be speaking German and most of the Western World would have had to learn Russion about 30 years ago.  We don&#8217;t wave it under peoples&#8217; noses until idiots like you bring it up.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry, we won&#8217;t won&#8217;t be invading Canada any time soon &#8211; nothing there worth fighting over.  On second thought, we&#8217;re softies for things like freedom, so if it needed saving, we&#8217;d probably do the same thing again !</p>
<p>Who inhabited Canada before white people ?  Musta been the Frenchmen who wanna leave &amp; take their Province with &#8216;em.  Couldn&#8217;t have been Indians (they woulda been treated better).</p>
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