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		<title>By: Peter Brush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Brush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, you say, &quot;But what is also history is the 78 day siege which was broken by the 1st Air Cavalry augmented by supporting forces in Operation Pegaseus.&quot; True, of course. But what is the significance of that? Seems like that is the point.

Pegasus is significant to you and to me, because we were participants. But beyond that, what was the significance of Pegasus? In other words, what is the significance of ending the siege? It meant Route 9 was now open. 

When did the siege begin? Let&#039;s pick January 21  1968, when the NVA attacks begain in earnest. What was the situation before that? Route 9 was closed, and had been closed since September 1967. In fact, Route 9 was closed from September 1964 until March 1967. It was open from March-September 1967, then closed until Pegasus opened it in April 1968.

My point here is that it was normal for Route 9 to be closed. 

The NVA began leaving before Pegasus began. Most left, some stayed. Pegasus opened Route 9 on April 8 1968. Heavy traffic could now get to Khe Sanh via land route. Supplies poured into to support 1 ACD and Marine operations. A week later 1 ACD left.

Now Khe Sanh could be supplied by overland convoy. That meant the NVA could attack the convoys. That&#039;s what they did. For example, on May 19 they launched a large attack on a Marine road sweep operation. 37 Marines and 300 NVA were killed. That month, 149 Marines and 19 soldiers died around Khe Sanh.

Because the road was open, it was easier to dismantle the base. The base was dismantled. Fighting continued. The NVA kept shelling the base. 

A year later the situation was the same. The NVA were back and the Marines were fighting them. Have you read Karl Marlantes&#039; book Matterhorn? It&#039;s about the Marines fighting the NVA in this area in early 1969, same as Marines were fighting the NVA in the same area two years earlier, and one year earlier.

So overall, what was the significance of Pegasus? Keep in mind that the siege wasn&#039;t really a siege in the literal sense of the word. Supplies were delivered. Killed and wounded were evacuated. Marines arrived for duty, and went home if their tours were up. Marines went to and from R&amp;R during the siege. 

Operationally, what difference did it make?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, you say, &#034;But what is also history is the 78 day siege which was broken by the 1st Air Cavalry augmented by supporting forces in Operation Pegaseus.&#034; True, of course. But what is the significance of that? Seems like that is the point.</p>
<p>Pegasus is significant to you and to me, because we were participants. But beyond that, what was the significance of Pegasus? In other words, what is the significance of ending the siege? It meant Route 9 was now open. </p>
<p>When did the siege begin? Let&#039;s pick January 21  1968, when the NVA attacks begain in earnest. What was the situation before that? Route 9 was closed, and had been closed since September 1967. In fact, Route 9 was closed from September 1964 until March 1967. It was open from March-September 1967, then closed until Pegasus opened it in April 1968.</p>
<p>My point here is that it was normal for Route 9 to be closed. </p>
<p>The NVA began leaving before Pegasus began. Most left, some stayed. Pegasus opened Route 9 on April 8 1968. Heavy traffic could now get to Khe Sanh via land route. Supplies poured into to support 1 ACD and Marine operations. A week later 1 ACD left.</p>
<p>Now Khe Sanh could be supplied by overland convoy. That meant the NVA could attack the convoys. That&#039;s what they did. For example, on May 19 they launched a large attack on a Marine road sweep operation. 37 Marines and 300 NVA were killed. That month, 149 Marines and 19 soldiers died around Khe Sanh.</p>
<p>Because the road was open, it was easier to dismantle the base. The base was dismantled. Fighting continued. The NVA kept shelling the base. </p>
<p>A year later the situation was the same. The NVA were back and the Marines were fighting them. Have you read Karl Marlantes&#039; book Matterhorn? It&#039;s about the Marines fighting the NVA in this area in early 1969, same as Marines were fighting the NVA in the same area two years earlier, and one year earlier.</p>
<p>So overall, what was the significance of Pegasus? Keep in mind that the siege wasn&#039;t really a siege in the literal sense of the word. Supplies were delivered. Killed and wounded were evacuated. Marines arrived for duty, and went home if their tours were up. Marines went to and from R&amp;R during the siege. </p>
<p>Operationally, what difference did it make?</p>
<p>Peter Brush</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Abodeely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Abodeely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 16:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter:  It&#039;s taken us long enough, but I think we pretty much agree on everything you just wrote.  The action at Khe Sanh was the Marines&#039; role.  Nobody (including, and especially me) cannot take that away from the Marines.  And in the course of their operations and defence of KSFB, the situation changed with the introduction of two NVA divisions, the artillery pounding, the mortar and rocket attacks, and the ambushes on the patrols.  You know all of this.  That is history.  But what is also history is the 78 day siege which was broken by the 1st Air Cavalry augmented by supporting forces in Operation Pegaseus.  Its casualties were minimal which is to its credit--not to its detriment.  Many NVA left at various times for various reasons which is to its credit--not its detriment.  And the concept of air cavalry--quick manueverability and shock action--to accomplish the three-fold mission (kill NVA, clear route 9, and end the siege) was accomplished in only one week in Operation Pegasus.  That is to its credit, not its detriment.  The story of the hill fights and the defense of Khe Sanh is the story of the Marines.  The story of the relief of the siege of Khe Sanh in Operation Pegasus by the air cavaly tactics is the story of the 1st Air Cavalry Division.  They are separate but complimentary.  That&#039;s my opinion and I think that is history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter:  It&#039;s taken us long enough, but I think we pretty much agree on everything you just wrote.  The action at Khe Sanh was the Marines&#039; role.  Nobody (including, and especially me) cannot take that away from the Marines.  And in the course of their operations and defence of KSFB, the situation changed with the introduction of two NVA divisions, the artillery pounding, the mortar and rocket attacks, and the ambushes on the patrols.  You know all of this.  That is history.  But what is also history is the 78 day siege which was broken by the 1st Air Cavalry augmented by supporting forces in Operation Pegaseus.  Its casualties were minimal which is to its credit&#8211;not to its detriment.  Many NVA left at various times for various reasons which is to its credit&#8211;not its detriment.  And the concept of air cavalry&#8211;quick manueverability and shock action&#8211;to accomplish the three-fold mission (kill NVA, clear route 9, and end the siege) was accomplished in only one week in Operation Pegasus.  That is to its credit, not its detriment.  The story of the hill fights and the defense of Khe Sanh is the story of the Marines.  The story of the relief of the siege of Khe Sanh in Operation Pegasus by the air cavaly tactics is the story of the 1st Air Cavalry Division.  They are separate but complimentary.  That&#039;s my opinion and I think that is history.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Brush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Brush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, thanks for the clarifications. I&#039;m glad to learn we agree on most of these points. Regarding your comment, &quot;I&#039;ve read some of your writings and you seem to go out of your way to minimize the role of Operation Pegasus in the relief of the siege of Khe Sanh,&quot; it&#039;s not that I minimize the role of Pegasus in the *relief* of Khe Sanh so much as I minimize the role of Pegasus in the history of the Marines at Khe Sanh. The Marines were involved in many named operations around Khe Sanh. I personally was in four of these operations. Marines fougnt and died there from January 1967 until the base closed in July 1968. Two of the Marine battles at Khe Sanh were of significance. Both were before Operation Pegasus.

Pegasus lasted two weeks, and casualties were light, less than anticipated. Given the long history of Americans and Marines at Khe Sanh, Pegasus doesn&#039;t seem all that important. Sorry, but that&#039;s how it seems to me.

One thing in my opinion that *is* under emphasized is the role of the Army at FOB-3 at Khe Sanh. They were in the area before, during, and after the time when the Marines were there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, thanks for the clarifications. I&#039;m glad to learn we agree on most of these points. Regarding your comment, &#034;I&#039;ve read some of your writings and you seem to go out of your way to minimize the role of Operation Pegasus in the relief of the siege of Khe Sanh,&#034; it&#039;s not that I minimize the role of Pegasus in the *relief* of Khe Sanh so much as I minimize the role of Pegasus in the history of the Marines at Khe Sanh. The Marines were involved in many named operations around Khe Sanh. I personally was in four of these operations. Marines fougnt and died there from January 1967 until the base closed in July 1968. Two of the Marine battles at Khe Sanh were of significance. Both were before Operation Pegasus.</p>
<p>Pegasus lasted two weeks, and casualties were light, less than anticipated. Given the long history of Americans and Marines at Khe Sanh, Pegasus doesn&#039;t seem all that important. Sorry, but that&#039;s how it seems to me.</p>
<p>One thing in my opinion that *is* under emphasized is the role of the Army at FOB-3 at Khe Sanh. They were in the area before, during, and after the time when the Marines were there.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Abodeely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Abodeely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 00:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter: I was aware of the intent to go into Laos. That mission was never authorized. Years later the Cav led the assault into Cambodia. You will recall all the heat Nixon took for that. The following is from my article in Vietnam magazine: &quot;The Marines&#039; mission at Khe Sanh was to block the North Vietnamese infiltration across the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) and to establish a jumping-off point for a proposed but never authorized American advance into the panhandle of Laos to cut off the Ho Chi Minh Trail.&quot; The 1st Air Cavalry Division because of its unique nature was the only unit in Vietnam that could be tasked with a mission to go to Khe Sanh or Laos or Cambodia or as we did go to the A Shau Valley.I am a big fan of air cavalry and the Army gave it up to the 101st who don&#039;t do air cavalry. Cavalry has always had its limitations, but it has always had its strengths. It is best suited for COIN which we seem to have recently reinvented.
 Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter: I was aware of the intent to go into Laos. That mission was never authorized. Years later the Cav led the assault into Cambodia. You will recall all the heat Nixon took for that. The following is from my article in Vietnam magazine: &#034;The Marines&#039; mission at Khe Sanh was to block the North Vietnamese infiltration across the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) and to establish a jumping-off point for a proposed but never authorized American advance into the panhandle of Laos to cut off the Ho Chi Minh Trail.&#034; The 1st Air Cavalry Division because of its unique nature was the only unit in Vietnam that could be tasked with a mission to go to Khe Sanh or Laos or Cambodia or as we did go to the A Shau Valley.I am a big fan of air cavalry and the Army gave it up to the 101st who don&#039;t do air cavalry. Cavalry has always had its limitations, but it has always had its strengths. It is best suited for COIN which we seem to have recently reinvented.<br />
 Joe</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Brush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Brush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, I mentioned that one reason Operation Pegasus was so large was because one of its original goals was to invade Laos after opening Route 9 and attacking NVA forces around Khe Sanh. You seemed unaware of this fact, so I reseached some details for you.

Planning for Pegasus began in late January. At a Pegasus planning session in March in Da Nang of senior Army and Marine commanders Westmoreland ordered contingency plans made for brigade size cross-border operations in Laos after Route 9 was opened. As noted in Prados and Stubbe&#039;s history of the battle (Valley of Decision), &quot;Thus, as of March 10, MACV explicitly intended to be prepared for a coup de main thrust into Laos in conjunction with the relief of Khe Sanh (p. 418-419).&quot; 

Final Pegasus plans were firmed up at a March 28 meeting. Westmoreland noted it would take two weeks to get permission for the thrust into Laos from Ambassador Sullivan and Washington, DC. 

On March 30, Westmoreland was briefed in Saigon on plans for Operation El Paso City, his long held plans for a major advance into Laos.

On April 10, General Tolson, &quot;without warning,&quot; received orders from Westmoreland to prepare for an immediate assault into the A Shau Valley. That&#039;s because Westmoreland was unable to get permission to invade Laos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, I mentioned that one reason Operation Pegasus was so large was because one of its original goals was to invade Laos after opening Route 9 and attacking NVA forces around Khe Sanh. You seemed unaware of this fact, so I reseached some details for you.</p>
<p>Planning for Pegasus began in late January. At a Pegasus planning session in March in Da Nang of senior Army and Marine commanders Westmoreland ordered contingency plans made for brigade size cross-border operations in Laos after Route 9 was opened. As noted in Prados and Stubbe&#039;s history of the battle (Valley of Decision), &#034;Thus, as of March 10, MACV explicitly intended to be prepared for a coup de main thrust into Laos in conjunction with the relief of Khe Sanh (p. 418-419).&#034; </p>
<p>Final Pegasus plans were firmed up at a March 28 meeting. Westmoreland noted it would take two weeks to get permission for the thrust into Laos from Ambassador Sullivan and Washington, DC. </p>
<p>On March 30, Westmoreland was briefed in Saigon on plans for Operation El Paso City, his long held plans for a major advance into Laos.</p>
<p>On April 10, General Tolson, &#034;without warning,&#034; received orders from Westmoreland to prepare for an immediate assault into the A Shau Valley. That&#039;s because Westmoreland was unable to get permission to invade Laos.</p>
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